Khalistan Movement

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Seriously speaking how do you think Pakistan could have defended the East Pakistan?
Serious answer only. Even if improbable, I would like you to answer in the positive. How could the Pakistan Army have saved East Pakistan?

It could NEVER EVER have been stopped by NO-ONE. Either through military or political means.

 

[ebrahym]

There were 90000 Pakistani troops captured by Indian army now read what 21 sikhs did at battle of Saragrahi which is still taught in Army training in India as well as in UK and is featured in hall of fame.


Here's what 21 Sikhs did at saragrahi:

The Battle of Saragarhi was fought before the Tirah Campaign on 12 September 1897 between British Indian Army and Afghan Orakzai tribesmen. It occurred in the North-West Frontier Province (now Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan).

The British Indian contingent comprised 21 Sikhs of the 36th Sikhs (now the 4th Battalion of the Sikh Regiment), who were stationed at an army post attacked by around 10,000 Afghans. The Sikhs, led by Havildar Ishar Singh, chose to fight to the death, in what is considered by some military historians as one of history's great last-stands.[9] The post was recaptured two days later by another British Indian contingent.

Sikh military personnel commemorate the battle every year on 12 September, as Saragarhi Day.[10]
Saragarhi was a small village in the border district of Kohat, situated on the Samana Range, in present-day Pakistan. On 20 April 1894, the 36th Sikh Regiment of the British Army was created, under the command of Colonel J. Cook.[11] In August 1897, five companies of the 36th Sikhs under Lt. Col. John Haughton, were sent to the North West Frontier Province (Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa), stationed at Samana Hills, Kurag, Sangar, Sahtop Dhar and Saragarhi.

The British had partially succeeded in getting control of this volatile area, however tribal Pashtuns attacked British personnel from time to time. Thus a series of forts, originally built by Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Ruler of the Sikh Empire, were consolidated. Two of the forts were Fort Lockhart, (on the Samana Range of the Hindu Kush mountains), and Fort Gulistan(Sulaiman Range), situated a few miles apart. Fort Lockhart is located at 33.5562N 70.91877E.[12] Due to the forts not being visible to each other, Saragarhi was created midway, as a heliographic communication post. The Saragarhi post, situated on a rocky ridge, consisted of a small block house with loop-holed ramparts and a signalling tower.

A general uprising by the Afghans began there in 1897, and between 27 August - 11 September, many vigorous efforts by Pashtuns to capture the forts were thwarted by 36th Sikh regiment. In 1897, insurgent and inimical activities had increased, and on 3 and 9 September Afridi tribes, with allegiance to Afghans, attacked Fort Gulistan. Both the attacks were repulsed, and a relief column from Fort Lockhart, on its return trip, reinforced the signalling detachment positioned at Saragarhi, increasing its strength to one Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO) and twenty troops of Other Ranks (ORs).

On 12 September 1897, 10,000 Pashtuns attacked the signalling post at Saragarhi, so that communication would be lost between the two forts.

Remembrance and legacy[edit]
The epic poem "Khalsa Bahadur" is in memory of the Sikhs who died at Sargarhi.[15]

The battle has become iconic of eastern military civilization, British empire military history and Sikh history.[16] The modern Sikh Regiment continues to celebrate the day of the Battle of Saragarhi each 12 September as the Regimental Battle Honours Day. To commemorate the men the British built two Saragarhi Gurudwaras: one in Amritsar very close to the main entrance of the Golden Temple, and another in Ferozepur Cantonment, which was the district that most of the men hailed from.

In Indian schools[edit]
The Indian military, in particular the Indian Army have been pushing for the battle to be taught in India's schools. They want it taught due to the heroism shown by the Indian soldiers to act as inspiration for young children – in the field of bravery. There were articles like these, printed in the Punjab's longest-established newspaper, The Tribune in 1999: "the military action at Saragarhi is taught to students the world over and particularly to students in France."[17] Although there seems to be no evidence for this claim (it is not, for example, on France's national school curriculum[18]) the news was enough to provoke political debate, and the battle has been taught in schools in the Punjab since 2000:

“ The decision to include the battle story in the school curriculum was taken last year during a public rally presided over by the Punjab Chief Minister, Mr Parkash Singh Badal. Following this, the State Government had issued a notification that the battle story should be included in the school curriculum from this session. There had been a constant demand from the Sikh Regiment and various ex-servicemen's associations that the battle be included in the school curriculum. A similar request had also been put forward to Mr Badal during the battle's state-level centenary celebrations at Ferozepore in 1997. A subsequent letter sent to the Punjab Government by the Saragarhi Memorial and Ethos Promotion Forum had also urged the State Government that the battle has many inspiring lessons for children. On hearing the acts of valour, the British Parliament had then risen in unison to pay homage to the fallen soldiers.[19] ”
Saragarhi Day[edit]
Saragarhi Day
Official name Saragarhi Day
Observed by India[3] (also observed by Sikhsworldwide)
Type national & international
Significance Honors the 21 military Sikhsoldiers who died at the Battle of Saragarhi
Observances Parades, school history projects, government buildings
Date 12 September (or nearest weekday)
Related to Remembrance Day
Saragarhi Day, is a Sikh military commemoration day celebrated on 12 September every year to commemorate The Battle of Saragarhi.[3] Sikh military personnel and Sikh non-military people commemorate the battle around the world every year on 12 September. All units of the Sikh Regiment celebrate Saragarhi Day every year as the Regimental Battle Honours Day.

Saragarhi Memorial Gurudwara (temple) was built in memory of the 21 Sikh soldiers that fought at The Battle of Saragarhi.[20]

Saragarhi Day in the UK[edit]
Saragarhi was introduced back into the UK by writer and filmmaker Jay Singh-Sohal[21] and the British Army with the launch of the book "Saragarhi: The Forgotten Battle" in 2013 at Old College Royal Military Academy Sandhurst. It has since been commemorated each year on its battle honour day by the British Armed Forces. In 2014 the commemoration also took place at Sandhurst at the Indian Army Memorial Room. In 2015 it took place at the Honourable Artillery Company in London,[22] where it is also due to take place in 2016.

Various senior ministers and armed forces generals have paid tribute to Sikh service by mentioning the story of Saragarhi. In April 2016 the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon MP made mention as a special Vaisakhi event at the Ministry of Defence. In June 2016 the Chief of the General Staff Sir Nick Carter did the same at a special British Sikh Association dinner.

Saragarhi and Thermopylae[edit]
The battle has frequently been compared to the Battle of Thermopylae,[16] where a small Greek force faced a large Persian army of Xerxes (480 BC).

The comparison is made because of the overwhelming odds faced by a tiny defending force in each case, and the defenders' brave stand to their deaths, as well as the extremely disproportionate number of fatalities caused to the attacking force.

It is important[clarification needed] to note that during the Battle of Saragarhi, the British did not manage to get a relief unit there until after the 21 had fought to their deaths. At Thermopylae, the 300 Spartans and their allies also stayed after their lines had been outflanked, to fight to their deaths.

sagargahi was indeed a spectacle to remeber but realize that all of its reference comes from one side the others version is never taken into account
there is a seperate thread on that here on PDF gud luck finding it

How could the Pakistan Army have saved East Pakistan?

if there demands would have been dealt with in 1951 before the 1956 constituition
but the first martial law using the tenth clause of 1935 act made it impossible and a destined fate for bengal to fall
what later followed was not wrong decisions but right decisions at wrong time

 

[asad71]

Raj karegi khalsa.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It was 55k. The rest were civilian officials, police and family members.

Read this please. It's got all the facts and interesting comparison. > https://defence.pk/threads/war-of-1971-bangladesh.377374/


Impossible. No army could have. The moment Banglas turned tail the game was over. Pak should have pulled out straight away and saved the situation - damage containment.

There you go Bro! So 55,000 Pakistani soldiers with no supplies and are cut off from the homeland by at least 2500kms of hostile terrain are supposed to defeat 100 million bengalis and 500 million indians????????.......that to when they are well armed????????.........No military or any that has ever existed could ever do that.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There

Yes, it was 55k. FRom the reading I have done so far it appears two divisions - minus most of their heavy equipment [as PK had no means to shift them 3,000 miles to Bangla] and few brigades on top. This to control 60 million Banglas, in swampy, densely packed country that the mewn had no experiance of. Amidst all this they face hit and run attacks from Bangla Mukhti's, PA soldiers dare not go out of their strong points alone because of the hostlie local population. Then on top of this they faced Indian attack as well. Do take the time to read the thread - link below.

Link > https://defence.pk/threads/war-of-1971-bangladesh.377374/

Ps. That clipping is from a Indian newspaper.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

you are making it sound as if civilians from India were going to launch surgical strikes against the Pakistan army :p

or that weapons in the millions were supplied......when india itself was poor and sanctioned

just learn to take a punch like a gentleman and accept it....no point giving excuses on a daily basis.

if they were cut out because of the blockade and stranded on 2500km hostile terrain.....then it LOOKS like pakistan made a strategic mistake.....which is how wars are lost.

so you can blame yourself for shooting in the foot or learn from it.

Not particularly. The fact is that there were nearly 2 million indian/bengali soldiers and resistance fighters fighting 55,000 Pakistani soldiers with limited ammunition and no supplies. We would have had to beat them and 600 million bengalis/Indians to win the war and get home safely. No military in human history would have been able to achieve that.
Just as india was incapable of launching a full scale military assault against Pakistan after mumbai 2008 when india is at least 7× bigger than Pakistan and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Yes, he was not murdered.

He chose to challenge the state & got what was his logical due.

In the eyes of the resistance Indira Ghandi also got what was deserved. Desecration of the Harmindersahib earned her a bullet as she challenged an entire faith an people.

 

[problemfreeleader]

Tag as many as you can @United
Show Indians what the hell is burning inside their country..

Why khalistan movement completely disappeared ?

 

[Zain Malik]

Why khalistan movement completely disappeared ?

It was made disappeared.....!!!

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Brother, TBH the bengalis could not ever be a part of Pakistan because they never were one of us nor will they ever be. A single nation CAN NEVER be formed from 2 separate races. In terms of race, physical appearance, genetics, culture, way of life we have FAR more in common with Afghans, Iranians and SOUTHERN Turks than with bengalis yet we are not forming a nation with them. So how can we with bangladesh?

When Pakistan was formed in 1947, the bengalis also NEVER EVER wanted to be a part of india. So they cunningly clung to the Pakistan bandwagon to get away from india. They would have just as easily clung to the Somalian bandwagon if it meant them getting away from india. When everything was set, they wanted their own independent homeland after they had finished using our resources and power to get them to that stage. Us Pakistanis fell for that trap.

But yes, the irony in the UK is that many bengalis imitate Pakistanis and our culture. Some even call us their "brothers". And some even say we are the "same people". I have had to correct a few bengalis on these 2 points in the past before.

Many British Bangladeshis in recent years have distanced themselves from the rouge policies of Hassina agaisnt the Jamaat movement as it is injust. I'd like to know during conflict would PM Hassina fledge full support and cooperation with India and possibly send her army to support Indian forces in any future war between Pakistan and India? Would Bangladehis openly support the idea of getting involve in any conflict? Pakistan has very little to do with Bangladesh for the past 40 years.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Khalistan zindabad, sikhoon ko hindu baniye say freedom "jaroor" mileyga. Khalistan Zindabad

@Horus @Slav Defence @Slav Defence why that post was given -ve??
isn't that what we and Sikhs living in Indian occupied Punjab wants??

 

[Khan_21]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/86...rrorism-in-Indian-Punjab-during-last-35-years

While the Indian rulers have always had the audacity to persistently spell out the rhetoric of "Shining India," an extensive research conducted by the "Jang Group and Geo Television Network" shows that between 1981 and 1995, East Punjab was haunted and bewildered every day by the Sikh insurgency.

Here follows a list of some of the major incidents in this regard also:

On September 29, 1981 five members of a Sikh organisation "Dal Khalsa" had hijacked an Indian Jetliner to Pakistan as a mark of protest against the arrest of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala, who had been accused of being involved in the murder of a Jalandhar-based Hindu newspaper owner Jagat Narain. All passengers were rescued by Pakistani commandos though.

In January 1982, Harsimran Singh, chief organiser of the Dal Khalsa, was arrested from Mohali and a 10-year ban was consequently slapped on the Dal Khalsa by the Indian government in May 1982.

Between June 3 and 8, 1984, the Operation Blue Star was launched on orders of Premier Indira Gandhi to gain control of Harmindar Sahib Complex in Amritsar and remove Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala and his armed followers from the sacred Sikh buildings. The offensive was launched by the Indian Army troops equipped with tanks, heavy artillery, helicopters, armored vehicles and chemical weapons.

About 4,000 Sikh soldiers in the Indian army had mutinied, numerous Sikhs had resigned from armed and civil administrative office and several had returned awards and honours they had received from the government.

This is what Sir Mark Tully, BBC’s Delhi correspondent in 1984, had written in the edition of the June 6, 2014 "Telegraph: "Bhindranwale’s was one of 42 bodies found inside. The Indian army had suffered 331 casualties."

According to official estimates, total casualty figures of Operation Blue Star had rested at around 2,000.

Some 83 Indian army soldiers and 492 civilians were killed, though many unconfirmed reports suggested that the casualties were over 5,000.

This was followed by Operation Woodrose to prevent the outbreak of widespread public protest in the state of Punjab. The government had arrested all prominent members of the Akali Dal, the largest Sikh political party and about 100000 youth had been taken into custody within first four to six weeks of this operation.

Four months after the operation, on October 31, 1984, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was killed by her two Sikh bodyguards--Satwant Singh and Beant Singh, in what was viewed as an act of vengeance. Subsequently, more than 3,000 Sikhs were killed in the ensuing anti-Sikh riots.

On October 5, 1985, half a dozen Hindu bus passengers aboard a bus traveling from Dhilwan in Kapurthala district to Jalandhar were killed by Sikh militants. In a separate incident, a police sub-inspector and a tax inspector were also killed aboard a train. By this time, more than 175 people had been killed by the militants in various incidents

On October 6, 1985, some Sikh groups had announced that they would go for their separate homeland Khalistan at all cost. President's rule was hence imposed by the Indian government in an attempt to bring Punjab's order back.

On October 16, 1983, at least three people were killed and 25 injured in a bomb blast during a Hindu festival in Chandigarh, the capital of Punjab.

On October 21, 1983, some Hindu train passengers were killed in Gobindgarh.

On September 12, 1984, eight Hindu bus passengers were killed.

In February 1986, 15 persons were killed and many injured in indiscriminate firing in Nakodar.

On March 28, 1986, some 13 Hindus were killed in indiscriminate firing in Ludhiana.

On March 29, 1986, 20 Hindu labourers were killed in Jalandhar.

On November 30, 1986, 24 Hindu bus passengers gunned down in Khudda.

In January 1987, a Congress Sikh leader, Sant Singh Liddar, was murdered.

In May 1987, Sukhdev Singh, the son of the moderate Akali Dal leader, Jiwan Singh, was murdered by militants.

On July 3, 1987, Gurnam Singh Uppal, a moderate Sikh leader and the President of the Punjab unit of Democratic Youth Federation of India, was killed.

In July 1987 again, 80 bus passengers were killed in Fatehabad on three Haryana Roadways buses.

On October 20, 1987, 12 persons were shot dead at various places in Delhi on Diwali day.

On February 19, 1988, bombs exploded by Babbar Khalsa at Gurdaspur, Hoshiarpur and Patiala had killed 120 people.

On March 3, 1988, at least 35 persons were victims of indiscriminate firing at a festival in Hoshiarpur.

On May 15, 1988, 40 persons were gunned down in different incidents at Samana, Patiala, Jalandhar and Mukerian

On May 16, 1988, 26 people were killed (3 member of a family, 3 bus passengers and 20 others) in Amritsar, Ludhiana, Jalandhar and Gurdaspur.

On May 17, 1988, some 35 labourers were killed in Kharar.

On June 19, 1988, at least 15 persons were blown to pieces when a bomb had exploded at an electronics shop in Kurukshetra.

On September 7,1988,15 rail passengers killed in Amritsar district.

In November 1988, 25 persons were killed in a Batala bomb blast.

In December 1988, seven Hindu passengers were kidnapped from a Chandigarh-bound bus and killed.

On June 25, 1989, 27 RSS loyalists were shot dead by some Khalistani militants at Moga town's Nehru Park.

On August 27, 1989, indiscriminate firing on a train at Kabarwala station had left dozens dead.

On March 7, 1990, 32 people were shot dead in indiscriminate firing in a crowded market of Abohar.

On June 17, 1991, at least 80 to 126 train passengers were killed in Ludhiana city. The militants had stopped the two trains about a kilometre from Ludhiana station by pulling their emergency cords, hence triggering emergency brakes. Media had stated that attackers had apparently gone through the train, identifying Hindus and then went back to kill them, while sparing Sikhs. Between April and June 1991, at least 700 people had died in Indian Punjab.

On August 31, 1995, Eastern Punjab's Chief Minister Beant Singh was killed by a suicide bomber. The killing was in retaliation for the alleged human rights violations during the counter-insurgency operations launched by the state in troubled areas.

As far as terrorism across the whole of India is concerned, more than five dozen major incidents of terrorism have jolted the country since 1984.

Here follows the chronology and timeline of the terror-related occurrences that have claimed 10 or more lives across the border during these last three decades or so:

On August 2, 1984, a bomb blast in Tamil Nadu had killed 30 people.

In July 1987, at least 34 Hindu bus passengers were killed in Haryana by suspected Sikh terrorists.

On June 15, 1991, gangs of gunmen had opened fire on two passenger trains in Ludhiana city, initially killing over 90 people.

In April 1993, a landmine attack in Karnataka had killed 22 people, making it the deadliest explosive attack in Karnataka during the 20th century.

The March 12, 1993 Bombay bombings, a series of 13 bomb explosions that took place in Bombay (now Mumbai), had resulted in over 250 fatalities and 700 injuries. The attacks were allegedly coordinated by Dawood Ibrahim, don of the Bombay-based international organised crime syndicate named D-Company.

The December 30, 1996 Brahmaputra Mail train bombing in Western Assam had killed at least 33 people.

The February 14, 1998 Coimbatore bombings in the city of Coimbatore (Tamil Nadu) had resulted in 60 deaths. A Muslim fundamentalist group "Al Umma," having a strong presence in Chennai, was blamed for the attack.

On October 1, 2001, the Jammu and Kashmir State Legislative Assembly complex in Srinagar was hit by a car bomb and three suicide bombers, leading to 38 deaths. A militant outfit "Jaish-e-Mohammed" was blamed.


Those are some deadly bombings and attacks . Looks like a deadly insurgency and claimed alot of lives . So India has been facing bomb blasts and attacks since the 80's ?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why khalistan movement completely disappeared ?

Khalistan already exists. It's better known as Southall in London.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Khalsa Khalistan ka Kashmir Pakistan Ka

 

[Baba Google]

@Horus @Slav Defence @Slav Defence why that post was given -ve??
isn't that what we and Sikhs living in Indian occupied Punjab wants??

Sir g, as per mods, urdu (our national language) or punjabi is not allowed on this Pakistani forum. I dont think koi reply ayega aur agar aya bhi toh warning ayegi .. Plus the mods shud know that since ive joined this forum, ive only written posts in english, the only difference is "meri angrezi angrezoon ki samajh main nai ati"