JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Agnostic_Indian]

As far as Pakistan is concerned CBG really doesn't matter cause India doesnt need it to strike at a place in Pakistan where it can't by using other available means. It will adopt the same role as it did in 65 once carrier was threatened by submarine. It may be useful against China but if India chooses to use it in any future conflict against Pakistan, they will put their CBG under threat without prospect of gaining much in return.

in a war Aircraft carrier will be used for sure, what is the use of such a asset if its not used in war.

Indian Aircraft Carrier INS Vikrant and the 1971 War

 

[sancho]

As far as Pakistan is concerned CBG really doesn't matter cause India doesnt need it to strike at a place in Pakistan where it can't by using other available means. It will adopt the same role as it did in 65 once carrier was threatened by submarine. It may be useful against China but if India chooses to use it in any future conflict against Pakistan, they will put their CBG under threat without prospect of gaining much in return.

That's correct, the CBG would only be fieled in the later stages of the war, to block ports from supply, while subs with land attack capability will be used for the first strikes. The fighters on a carrier can cover a wider range and would be more effective for the sea control role, than using high numbers of surface vessels.
But Contrarian point was still right, the first line of defence for the CBG are the air defence fighters, which patrols several 100Km before the carrer, backed with AEW support. In case of an Indo-Pak war we might even see additional additional fighters and aircrafts from IAF in the same area, so the probability to get into launch range is not that high. The air defence of the CBG is the last line of defence only and then it has to be seen how effective the weapons are. When you think it through, is such a war, an IN carrier might be further away than most land targets in India, that might be important for PAF, because of the close proximity of the Indo-Pak borders, so probability that this missile will be used against land targets should be way higher than against a CBG.

More than gratifying, it's astonishing to learn that the JF-17 has been cleared to carry and deliver such weapons as, CM-802, MAR-1, and the new aircraft carrier killer the CM-400 AKG, as well as the SD-10 and other stand off weapons......a far cry from the F-16.

That's what I said for quiet some time, but many Pakistani members still think the F16s will remain PAFs prime fighter because the of the higher payload and possibly better avionics. Can't see that, because the fact that JF 17 will have no limitation on weapons and soon might add IFR capability, will make it way more versatile and effective in the strike roles than the F16s, while payload and avionics can be improved in further upgrades too.


@ itaskol

Do you any info from Chinese sources about the AoA or wingloading of JF 17?

 

[Areesh]

This missile has definitely sent tremors among Bharatis on the internet and discussion forums. Most are bringing everything including the kitchen sink to prove that CM-400 AKG is cr@p, obsolete and useless. Loving it.

One Indian was such a genius that according to him it's all Chinese propaganda and this missile isn't even supersonic let alone hypersonic.

 

[alibaz]

That's correct, the CBG would only be fieled in the later stages of the war, to block ports from supply, while subs with land attack capability will be used for the first strikes. The fighters on a carrier can cover a wider range and would be more effective for the sea control role, than using high numbers of surface vessels.
But Contrarian point was still right, the first line of defence for the CBG are the air defence fighters, which patrols several 100Km before the carrer, backed with AEW support. In case of an Indo-Pak war we might even see additional additional fighters and aircrafts from IAF in the same area, so the probability to get into launch range is not that high. The air defence of the CBG is the last line of defence only and then it has to be seen how effective the weapons are. When you think it through, is such a war, an IN carrier might be further away than most land targets in India, that might be important for PAF, because of the close proximity of the Indo-Pak borders, so probability that this missile will be used against land targets should be way higher than against a CBG.

My point here is simple, do you think will it be suitable for India to field carrier group against Pakistan once it has capability to strike from north to south on Eastern border of Pakistan from AB of its choice offering lesser time of reaction at any target of their choice. As far as carrier is concerned, if it is protected by the layers of naval assets in waters and air, what stops these JFs to target escorts from standoff distances. Am sure none of the two has ability to bear unlimited losses in terms of war machinary and finances to win. I think it will be a big mistake by Indians to field carrier cause they may no gain something big but will offer a big target unnecessarily.

 

[Thorough Pro]

goto bangladesh forum with your Brahmarooti supersonic hyperbole.................

Not the right place to argue with, not the right people so..get out

They are under hyper sonic, carrier killer mode....nobody will actually 'debate' with you here.

 

[SBD-3]

 

[alibaz]

in a war Aircraft carrier will be used for sure, what is the use of such a asset if its not used in war.

Indian Aircraft Carrier INS Vikrant and the 1971 War

Shooting small boats at chittagong using aircraft carrier doesn't make much of sense. They could have done it from AB on eastern border. Why this Carrier was not used in 65 and where was it. My point remains same it is useless against Pakistan cause we have very long borders and width of Pakistan is not much. Yes this carrier can be useful against any country which is geographically farther away.

 

[Contrarian]

This missile has definitely sent tremors among Bharatis on the internet and discussion forums. Most are bringing everything including the kitchen sink to prove that CM-400 AKG is cr@p, obsolete and useless. Loving it.

One Indian was such a genius that according to him it's all Chinese propaganda and this missile isn't even supersonic let alone hypersonic.

Believe it or not, but that missile is no great piece of engineering or a game changing weapon. Pakistani's are getting excited and making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Areesh]

Believe it or not, but that missile is no great piece of engineering or a game changing weapon. Pakistani's are getting excited and making a mountain out of a molehill.

Yes we are excited and I believe for the right reason. It has added a lot of punch to JFT. You don't agree with it. Fine. No issues.

 

[Viper0011.]

Believe it or not, but that missile is no great piece of engineering or a game changing weapon. Pakistani's are getting excited and making a mountain out of a molehill.

Believe it or not, this 'old' tech (similar to what is used in the Brahmos) is a game changer. Combine the technology in cruise missiles and other missiles to go hypersonic ....is the way to go. I am sure right now that mach 4-5 leaves behind a lot of the AD missiles as we speak.

Its sad how you guys don't acknowledge anything but just counter it silly. This is like JFT all over again. How everyone called it out and even questioned if it were ever fly. Similarly, this here is a leap in the capability. And now that the technology will be made available, what you can do with it is up to you. Sky's the limit. In example is, the US's future Hypersonic jets and missile program was started from a much basic tech than this here.

 

[rockstarIN]

goto bangladesh forum with your Brahmarooti supersonic hyperbole.................

i WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU AND YOU PROVED IT

 

[SBD-3]

Feast your eyes boys!

 

[rockstarIN]

Yes we are excited and I believe for the right reason. It has added a lot of punch to JFT. You don't agree with it. Fine. No issues.

It is indeed add a punch to JFT if news is true, no doubt about that. It is a great addition indeed.

It will rather be used against stationary land targets such as radar stations etc than moving sea targets which need greater accuracy. Diffcult to intecept since it is launched from air and the tragectory is different.

But it is not a game changer. Can't compare with Brahmos since it si quite different from this weapon system.

But, it is not a 'game changer'

 

[farhan_9909]

confirms that the rd93ma underdevelopment is for jft

91.2kn thrust is awesome

would anyone calculate me the twr of jft when the engine thrust is 91.2kn?

 

[Areesh]

It is indeed add a punch to JFT if news is true, no doubt about that. It is a great addition indeed.

It will rather be used against stationary land targets such as radar stations etc than moving sea targets which need greater accuracy. Diffcult to intecept since it is launched from air and the tragectory is different.

But it is not a game changer. Can't compare with Brahmos since it si quite different from this weapon system.

But, it is not a 'game changer'

Well I believe it to be a game changer. Something that can travel at hypersonic speed is a game changer. At least in India Pakistan scenario. It will be used against sea targets too. If not against your AC then against your frigates or destroyers. So it is a game changer. Can help Pakistan to make something even better in the future.