It's Official :: Sri Lanka rejects Pakistan's JF-17 and shows interest in India's LCA

[Omega007]

Indian Ocean, world power games, proxies, India, China, US hmmmmm it going to get one

Nah,still doesn't guarantee an enemy.

 

[knight11]

'Notorious ' CAG report ...

Then Sir, you must have known that CAG is just an auditing Authority, and its report only shows what it is given to them, and they are outdated, not the present condition.

The 20 FOC have been cancelled and merged with the 100 SOP 2018 standard LCA MK-1, which includes the upgrades such as AESA Radar and Aerial Refuel Pump and FOC certification.

Do you know that LCA will be eventually powered with Kaveri derivative engine.

Kindly let me know where I can read the Pakistani Auditing Authority Report equivalent to CAG.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan never have the resource/money, nor have the local multi national companies to develop a fighter jet by its own.Every project no matter how big and small have a helping hand from China.Your rail metro construction done by chinese,your port construction done by chinese,your fighter construction is done by chinese(you assemble some components),your power plant build by chinese,Your satellite build/financed/launched by chinese,Your dam construction done by chinese,tell me one company in pakistan that have calibre to build by themself with your people.Yes you can claim that chinese give loan and so the construction also went to them.There is no Tata,there is birla,there is relaince,there is no flipart,there is no infosys,there is no mahindra,there is no bajaj,there is no TVS,there is no ashok leyland.there is no sun pharma,there is no godrej,there is no adani etc...

My dear i don't want to hurt, but pakistan have to stand independently and develop local industries.

And yet india is 8 times bigger than Pakistan, has all the help from Russia and the western world. Has their full backing with access to all the latest foreign technologies and expertise. And yet, unlike the great China, india is still not a superpower or a major global power. Pakistan has only the assistance of 1 nation, China. Not dozens like india. That is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[cerberus]

MOD concluded the contract in the year 2010 for delivering of 20 LCA in 'FOC configuration'

YES But It was Changed Under New Govt In Which IAF Stated that First Squadron Based on IOC-2 Standard Aircraft's by Govt which Get FOC By 2020

But we all know that LCA has not achieved FOC till todate (I know it is scheduled at the end of this year)
therefore either the delivery of first squadron of LCA will be delayed or if MoD India & HAL chose to deliver the first squadron to IAF (which seems they have opted this option) as per current IOC standard than the useful life of LCA will be 1000 flying hours, we are again back to square one ....

No Its Not 1000 Flying Hours is Just Requirement Cut-off on Paper Its Can Extended With Spare And Logistic Support
As Per the CAG Report "Due to Lack of Flight Test Specimen (FTS) the Criteria requirement of ASR reduce to 1000 hours Reports" report No where said That Its Service Life Is Limited only 1000 hours Only That absurd .
Its Only A ASR wavier Given at time Of IOC.That is the Difference when you Make you Analysis on Audit report


PS: There Lot Improvement Done Since Like Extention of LRU's & Private Firms Integration in Production
Also Production jigs also Improved If you following the News

HAL says during the 2016-2017 period it would increase the production rate between 8-12 aircraft. When pointed out that HAL often missed its production deadlines, Sridharan was quick to add: "In the past we had issues. We have moved on and our actions will speak now."

As part of HAL's ramping up production plans, the wing modules have already been outsourced now. Tenders have been already floated inviting private vendors for manufacturing central, rear and front fuselages. "The fins, rudders and around 33 electrical panels have been outsourced. We want to become the prime integrator. We have already outsourced 52 LRUs," says an official. The Tejas Division itself is on expansion mode with a state-of-the-art painting hangar already in. A separate hangar for assembly line is expected to be completed by June.

Components for SP-3 to SP-8 get on to the jigs

Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/hal-on-mission-mode-to-ramp-up-tejas-production-2050583.html

 

[Mr.Nair]

And yet india is 8 times bigger than Pakistan, has all the help from Russia and the western world. Has their full backing with access to all the latest foreign technologies and expertise. And yet, unlike the great China, india is still not a superpower or a major global power. Pakistan has only the assistance of 1 nation, China. Not dozens like india. That is the height of hypocrisy.

India is a major power and comes 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 in many critical parameters in world like steel,coal,cement,electricity production,gold consumption,space science,software industry,pharma industry,gdp(ppp),oil consumption,retail market,number of doctors/engineers,road density,rail coverage,mobile penetration,soft power like film industry/yoga etc.India still growing and growing more than 7% every year, when world stuck in 2-3%.

Almost 30 % youths in the world are indians, if you do not know.

Your matter/believe does not change the fact....

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India is a major power and comes 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 in many critical parameters in world like steel,coal,cement,electricity production,gold consumption,space science,software industry,pharma industry,gdp(ppp),oil consumption,retail market,number of doctors/engineers,road density,rail coverage,mobile penetration,soft power like film industry/yoga etc.India still growing and growing more than 7% every year, when world stuck in 2-3%.

Almost 30 % youths in the world are indians, if you do not know.

Your matter/believe does not change the fact....

india would come in those rankings based on the simple fact that india probably has the highest population in the world. Despite the above, india is still not a pioneer or inventor of advanced technologies and science in the world. The only nations that are are western europe, america, Russia and now China. And ultimately that's what makes a superpower. Otherwise you'll always be am economic power.

 

[Mr.Nair]

india would come in those rankings based on the simple fact that india probably has the highest population in the world. Despite the above, india is still not a pioneer or inventor of advanced technologies and science in the world. The only nations that are are western europe, america, Russia and now China. And ultimately that's what makes a superpower. Otherwise you'll always be am economic power.

How immediately you like to forget that India is the only country in the world who send Mars probe in first attempt when china/russia combined mission failed just few years back.But it does not means that india is ahead of russia in space, but mean that India can have the calibre to do even the most impossible mission on planet.

This is the current news just 1 day back, of course you have to understand science to know applications/importance to create such an object.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/I...e_worlds_lightest_synthetic_material_999.html

Of course if you study science, you also studied 'what is meant by raman effect' in physics.In fact many science books followed by many pakistani college students learn from indian authors.In fact many American giant CEO's are former IIT students like Google CEO

Do you know that:-

1. India is the largest provider of generic drugs globally with the Indian generics accounting for 20 per cent of global exports in terms of volume,even one chinese pdf member also mentioned that in china they take indian pharmaceutical tablets.

2. As on March 2014, Indian pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities registered with the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) stood at 523, highest for any country outside the US.

3. Do you know that Google going to start massive campus outside US and that is in India(Even Europe don't have google own campus)

4. Do you know that India's just one biggest pharma company is having revenue of 24 billion dollar(Just few billion short of total pakistan export figure)

5. Do you know that world's biggest oil refinery located in india not in saudi or china or in US.

These are just few things i like to mention, where india stand in world stage.This has nothing to do with topic, but i replied since you showed your ignorance on matters

@PAKISTANFOREVER

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What about them?
Considering that the Bk-117 has a good reputation with its operators, there is nothing that would deter the Turkish Health services from getting 3 helicopters or the Israeli MoD taking 1.

Even Turkey has phased em out... And in India itself it has suffered several crashes ..

 

[cerberus]

Then Sir, you must have known that CAG is just an auditing Authority, and its report only shows what it is given to them, and they are outdated, not the present condition.

The 20 FOC have been cancelled and merged with the 100 SOP 2018 standard LCA MK-1, which includes the upgrades such as AESA Radar and Aerial Refuel Pump and FOC certification.

Do you know that LCA will be eventually powered with Kaveri derivative engine.

Kindly let me know where I can read the Pakistani Auditing Authority Report equivalent to CAG.

Yes That What Im saying
Also There Various Short comings Mention By CAG Addressed Like Production Local LRU's Already shifted To Private Firms As Reported By 24 March 2016
Production Jigs already Setup And Production Has Started

"The fins, rudders and around 33 electrical panels have been outsourced. We want to become the prime integrator. We have already outsourced 52 LRUs," says an official. The Tejas Division itself is on expansion mode with a state-of-the-art painting hangar already in. A separate hangar for assembly line is expected to be completed by June.

Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/hal-on-mission-mode-to-ramp-up-tejas-production-2050583.html

 

[BattleWolf]

The better machine won ,nothing to get worked up about . The j17 & Hal are two very different types . HAL just has more features integrated with various technologies of the world .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

How immediately you like to forget that India is the only country in the world who send Mars probe in first attempt when china/russia combined mission failed just few years back.But it does not means that india is ahead of russia in space, but mean that India can have the calibre to do even the most impossible mission on planet.

This is the current news just 1 day back, of course you have to understand science to know applications/importance to create such an object.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/I...e_worlds_lightest_synthetic_material_999.html

Of course if you study science, you also studied 'what is meant by raman effect' in physics.In fact many science books followed by many pakistani college students learn from indian authors.In fact many American giant CEO's are former IIT students like Google CEO

Do you know that:-

1. India is the largest provider of generic drugs globally with the Indian generics accounting for 20 per cent of global exports in terms of volume,even one chinese pdf member also mentioned that in china they take indian pharmaceutical tablets.

2. As on March 2014, Indian pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities registered with the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) stood at 523, highest for any country outside the US.

3. Do you know that Google going to start massive campus outside US and that is in India(Even Europe don't have google own campus)

4. Do you know that India's just one biggest pharma company is having revenue of 24 billion dollar(Just few billion short of total pakistan export figure)

5. Do you know that world's biggest oil refinery located in india not in saudi or china or in US.

These are just few things i like to mention, where india stand in world stage.This has nothing to do with topic, but i replied since you showed your ignorance on matters

@PAKISTANFOREVER

That sounds good in terms of becoming a global economic power but where is the scientific and technological innovation and pioneering. It's seems india is happy taking science and technology from the west/Russia and doing really well with it but in order to be a SUPERPOWER your race/nation needs to be inventers and producers of the worlds most advanced sciences and technologies. That's why the west has been the dominant global power and not india. That's why india is one of the biggest importers of Russian/western weapons in the world and cannot produce them themselves.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Quite a ridiculous thread to be in JF - THUNDER Forum

 

[Mr.Nair]

That sounds good in terms of becoming a global economic power but where is the scientific and technological innovation and pioneering. It's seems india is happy taking science and technology from the west/Russia and doing really well with it but in order to be a SUPERPOWER your race/nation needs to be inventers and producers of the worlds most advanced sciences and technologies. That's why the west has been the dominant global power and not india. That's why india is one of the biggest importers of Russian/western weapons in the world and cannot produce them themselves.

Certainly west is the leader in technology and no one one want to invent any thing new and that's why chinese are doing reverse engineering(copy) a product, because it takes decades for them to build and cost a lot of money to create any thing new, when the technology already exist.

India is catching fast in many field, especially Pharma,Space science,Software sectors.Only a few country mastered in future fuel like thorium instead of uranium and that is india.In fact india is the largest deposits of Thorium in the world.

Worlds mathematician ever lived is none other than from india

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

He died just at the age of 32 and without much education background but discovered many theories by himself.If he lived longer, we have to study his many theories in colleges...

India also created one of the world chess legends like Viswanathan anand which one have to posses high brains to reach the level.In fact chess is created in India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viswanathan_Anand

She is called as human computer, as she beat even computers for doing calculations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakuntala_Devi

Indians are the most educated and wealthy immigrants in US and there are 10% people of US doing yoga(almost 35 million)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

In 2025-2030, india will remain 3rd most influential,economically,militarily,politically powerful country in the world behind US and china.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Certainly west is the leader in technology and no one one want to invent any thing new and that's why chinese are doing reverse engineering(copy) a product, because it takes decades for them to build and cost a lot of money to create any thing new, when the technology already exist.

India is catching fast in many field, especially Pharma,Space science,Software sectors.Only a few country mastered in future fuel like thorium instead of uranium and that is india.In fact india is the largest deposits of Thorium in the world.

Worlds mathematician ever lived is none other than from india

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

He died just at the age of 32 and without much education background but discovered many theories by himself.If he lived longer, we have to study his many theories in colleges...

India also created one of the world chess legends like Viswanathan anand which one have to posses high brains to reach the level.In fact chess is created in India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viswanathan_Anand

She is called as human computer, as she beat even computers for doing calculations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakuntala_Devi

Indians are the most educated and wealthy immigrants in US and there are 10% people of US doing yoga(almost 35 million)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

In 2025-2030, india will remain 3rd most influential,economically,militarily,politically powerful country in the world behind US and china.

Very interesting read

 

[Humble Analyst]

While India used negative tactics to achieve this, it is in Pakistan's interest to come up with a 2 seat version of JF 17. I think the 2 seat trainer version will help attract the potential customers. Secondly we made the sales pitch too early due financial pressure? We should give time for the product to mature and get a partner maybe Italy and France to improve avionics and they should be partners with China and Pakistan. With France or Italy as partners the buyer will be more at ease. If this scenario can work out it will be good for all. As it may pssibly lead to better engine too for the plane.