It's Official :: Sri Lanka rejects Pakistan's JF-17 and shows interest in India's LCA

[New World]

Egypt is ruled out because of Israeli technology



Sri Lanka must have compared the two planes and found that LCA has
many better features than JF 17

will US allow it's engine to be sold to SL?

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @dadeechi

 

[cerberus]

will US allow it's engine to be sold to SL?

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @dadeechi

Yes why not if SL will pay hard cash

Also the maintainance of Its engine's are purely india based
Unlike JF-17
GE already setups a manufacturing Facility in pune , maharashtra
http://qz.com/302016/heres-a-look-inside-ges-brand-new-manufacturing-facility-in-pune/

 

[ravi gupta]

1 Full Fly by wire (Even F15 didnt have those what the point
2 Glass cockpit Quite standard for any fighter jet in its class
3 US GE 404 engine with full FADEC US sanction prone /In either case approval needed US
4 plane is made of Composite materials So it means more complex in mantainenance
5 A modern Elta radar (Yea right F17 is going for AESA
6 HOBS + HMDS (Nothing is integrated yet not even fighter it self)
7 Litening Targetting pods (plug n play sol are available)

Childish report and nothing confirmed yet

JF-17-Hybrid fly by wire not fully,so pilot have to work more.
AESA which platform have you integrated till now or plans are still in paper.

 

[Omega007]

they will use LCA for 25 years against whom ? hehehe may be India itself

Nice point though,I mean if you think about it, Srilanka doesn't really have an enemy as per se.

 

[knight11]

http://indianmilnews.blogspot.com/2014/07/why-air-forces-dhruv-helicopters-crash.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...or-crash-prone-Dhruv/articleshow/49425469.cms
The more laughable bit having to hire consultants from outside to tell the OEM why their product keeps crashing.

Ab Hum kuch kayenge to Hame Ban Kar diya Jayega, to prove your point is Supreme

Phir Bhi, Oscar Bhai check this out

Back in 1985, India bought 21 Westland helicopters after Margaret Thatcher (then British Prime Minister) persuaded her Indian counterpart Rajiv Gandhi to ignore the advice of his experts, who were against the sale. The money for the deal, put at nearly £65 million, came out of Britain’s aid budget, and was given to India specifically for purchasing the helicopters.

Westland at the time was a solely British aerospace company that manufactured helicopters after World War II.

However, the copters that were sold proved to be a disaster- two of them crashed in accidents in August 1988 and February 1989, killing over 10 passengers.

“It was no secret back then that the helicopters were a safety hazard. There were a number of defects, and pilots were scared to fly them. They just wouldn’t step into those helicopters,” said a source with the direct knowledge of the matter.

“The whole deal was pushed through as a means of reviving Westland, which, at the time, was going through a difficult financial situation,” the source added.

In 1991, the helicopters were withdrawn from service on safety grounds, after a number of subcommittee reviews, by the Director-General of Civil Aviation. In 1993, Pawan Hans, the state-owned helicopter firm that operated the Westland copters, put out a global tender for the defective helicopters. Eventually, British firm AES Aerospace emerged as the sole bidder, and the entire fleet of Westland helicopters was packaged off to Britain for the scrap value of just £900,000.

During the period of operation of those helicopters, Pawan Hans incurred an aggregate loss of Rs. 95.67 crore, while the British national audit office concluded that its government lost more than £105 million due to the deal.

AND

http://www.realityviews.in/2013/02/westland-wg30-helicopters-scam-india.html

The WG30 helicopters were delivered to Pawan Hans in 1987 but after two crashes, they were grounded.

Soon after their arrival in India in 1987 two crashed – one in the north Indian state of Jammu, and another in Nagaland killing 10 people. They proved to be unsuited needed constant servicing and repairs.

In 1991, the helicopters were withdrawn from service on safety grounds. Two years later, after obtaining permission from the British government under the original 1985 "sale" agreement, Pawan Hans invited global tenders for the Westland 30s.

India sold its entire fleet of Westland helicopters back to Britain for the scrap value of just £900,000; nine years after the machines were found to be technically faulty and grounded.

But no one wanted to pay the £1.9m reserve price. Eventually AES Aerospace emerged as sole bidder. British aviation specialist company, AES Aerospace, offered £900,000 to buy and refurbish them and sell their spare parts. So far, it has paid £450,000, half the sale price.

The 19 remaining Westland 30s were sold but after six had been shipped to the UK, the deal failed.

An auction to sell off the helicopters did not succeed and most of the helicopters are still in a yard in Mumbai and Delhi.

The money from the sale would be given to the Indian government to use on poverty relief programmes approved by Britain's Department for International Development.

The civil aviation authority withdrawn its airworthiness certificate for the helicopters on the instructions of Westland, making them unsellable.

Because of this AES Aerospace left with half of the unsalable helicopters in Britain after spending £1m shipping them from India only to store them in containers.

It refused to ship over and pay for the rest of the helicopters, after that, it faced a problem that Pawan Hans, their Indian owners may sue or go to court of law for breach of contract.

That time Vic Avens, managing director of the company told to guardian that -"We purchased the Westland WG30 helicopters in good faith. When we got them, there was no question that they did not have an airworthiness certificate. Only when we got them to Britain did we find out that the CAA would not issue a new certificate. We feel we have been commercially manipulated."
...

Pls comment on the WESTLAND and UK Janab.

 

[knight11]

The article posted by the OP suggested by OP is that its official Srilanka have rejected JF-17.

Why there is so much discussion on LCA TEJAS and if it is so CRAPPY AIRCRAFT Pakistani should be more happy.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Who cares if Sri Lanka rejects the JF-17 or not? If they are buying indian jets are not? It's totally up to them and their choice. Of no concern of ours. I'm really more interested in JF-17 blocks 2 and 3 and how far Pakistan is going with indigenization of the ability to one day produce high tech world class fighter jets. Think we are taking far tooooo serious things that are irrelevent to us.

 

[knight11]

will US allow it's engine to be sold to SL?

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @dadeechi

US have a good relationship with Sri lanka. And only objection for the U.S could be for few countries like IRAN, Thailand.

 

[rockstarIN]

Regarding Tejas, I think @Oscar's point is really simple to understand. India had set the criteria for a functional 4th-gen lightweight multi-role fighter back in the early 1990s, and it had even managed to fly a prototype in 2001, and yet it is only inducting a serviceable system in 2016. That is a developmental period of 26 years!

Don't get me wrong, full credit to India for developing a sound industrial and R&D base in that timeframe, full credit, but should a program such as Tejas really have taken 26 years? What were the exact requirements being added to warrant continuous delays? It wasn't as if India was developing every single component and subsystem indigenously, it is still foreign-sourcing the radar, HMD/S, engine, and some of the munitions. India is a country with the capacity to pull in billions of dollars of high-tech imports, and it probably has a very high number of foreign vendors available to help it out if paid ... So, what happened? Could India have not separated the goal of building its general indigenous aviation capacity from pushing Tejas to fruition?

First of all, initial Indian LCA was more of Mig-21 replacement, with more emphasis on interception and thanks for not counting the years since 1982-83

There is 15 years since first prototype to IAF initial system in 2016 for LCA, but most of the jets do take such time as India was just the beginners in this area.

Rafale initial designing started in 1978 and first flight in 1986. - 8 years
EF initial design in 1983 to first flight in 1994 - 11 years
LCA design (starting 1990 and fight flight in 2001 - 11 years

Rafale first flight to introduction(2 Rafale Ms to French Navy in Dec 2000) - 11 years
EF first flight to introduction (2003) - 9 years
LCA first flight to introduction (one LCA in 2014 & 2 in 2016, so take take 2016) - 15 years

LCA could have introduced to IAF but they did not as there were no urgency unlike they inducted M2K with just guns with it.

French/Europeans were building jets for decades and It was India's first programme.

Im just comparing the timelines, not the aircrafts please.

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy

 

[knight11]

Despite the composites JF17 is still lighter than Tejas.

For the Starters -- LCA Tejas have more LRU than JF-17, that's why heavier.

Beside an all composite design has not been battle proven so far...they are primarily used in civilian aviation such as aircraft tail is usually made of composites...

The Typhoon features lightweight construction (82% composites consisting of 70% carbon fibrecomposite materials and 12% glass fibre reinforced composites) with an estimated lifespan of 6,000 flying hours.

Indian engineering is like soviets..they set up a massive all-in-one goal rather than a progressive approach of getting something working and then improving upon it..

Bhai mere progressive approach is not only BLOCK 1 BLOCK 2, but could be Mark-1, mark 2, or F1, F2

Media farts. Lets wait till we see something absolutely official.

Lets not be like certain people who said JF-17 was a done deal prematurely.

Hi, @Nilgiri Welcome back, AAJ Kal Ban Jyada Chal Rahe Ho.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hello All
If this news is true , then I most say Sri Lankan Air Force have some very good and intelligent higher oops(for there own country and interest)
I said it because Srilanka don't have any imminent threat , and also please don't forget Srilanak is an island they need a bird that can stay in air for long , can take more load , and can perform all type of missions. (targeting land and also destroying naval objects ) and sorry to say very sorry to say JF17 lacks in almost all of them .

Now the Rafael deal is done I guess Srilankan are hoping that IAF will go ahead with French avionics and other stuff and put that on Tejas that surly make Tejas more advance and lethal.(put Tejas one step ahead from JF17)
Great Expatiations but with even more Greater Risk
First it will surly take some time minimum 4 to 5 years (if IAF and French work together) ,making that possible is a great and painful challenge with hundreds of hurdles
Second What if after waiting so many years they come to know that There are no French Avionics or The Tejas is not much advance or not full fill there needs and expectations(still leaks behind JF17)

Thank you all

 

[HRK]

CAG Report Mentioned that Issues will be addressed during FOC,

where ....??? plz point me that part in report ....

LCA is Moving Toward FOC this Year And the 1st LCA Squadrons is Commissioning in IAF At Sulur Air Force Station,Banglore

points to be noted:

1- MOD concluded the contract in the year 2010 for delivering of 20 LCA in 'FOC configuration'

2- As highlighted Delivery of the LCA was supposed to be started after the achievement of FOC

But we all know that LCA has not achieved FOC till todate (I know it is scheduled at the end of this year)
therefore either the delivery of first squadron of LCA will be delayed or if MoD India & HAL chose to deliver the first squadron to IAF (which seems they have opted this option) as per current IOC standard than the useful life of LCA will be 1000 flying hours, we are again back to square one ....

 

[Abingdonboy]

http://indianmilnews.blogspot.com/2014/07/why-air-forces-dhruv-helicopters-crash.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...or-crash-prone-Dhruv/articleshow/49425469.cms
The more laughable bit having to hire consultants from outside to tell the OEM why their product keeps crashing.

16 crashes (with at least 2/3rds having been attributed to pilot error) in >15 years of service with 200 units flying in the most extreme enviroments possible and the ALH is called "crash prone", I expected more from you sir than to post such illogical and sensationalised nonsense.

The Ecuadorian example keeps being brought up but that was possibly the worst customer to sell the ALH to. The FAE crash every single type they operate with alarming frequency of course when it is non-Indian helos no one pays much attention, when it is the ALH the product is suddenly blamed.

Does HAL has made any indigenous radar for Tejas that could replace existing Israel radar.??

The DRDO (LRDE) are working on the UTTAM AESA radar:

But the EL/M-2052 AESA radar (modified by DRDO) will be fit onto the MK.1A from 2018 until the Uttam is ready.

 

[Spring Onion]

Nice point though,I mean if you think about it, Srilanka doesn't really have an enemy as per se.

Indian Ocean, world power games, proxies, India, China, US hmmmmm it going to get one

 

[Spectre]

Indian Ocean, world power games, proxies, India, China, US hmmmmm it going to get one

care to go into details? the above is boiler plate statement which doesn't really mean anything