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[PeeD]

Albanias capital and the MKO camp is 2000km away from Iran. I would propose to use 20 Khorramshahr-2 against the annual MKO event there as an anti-terror operation. They would need to be shot from 500km away from the border at 2500 max. range to let the booster stage fall within Iran.

This would be a good reaction if Europeans bow to Trump and practically sanction Iran. Albania is not in the EU or NATO but the message would be delivered in a legitimate way. The destruction would be devastating. No risk of shotdown, loss of human life, crash or compromised critical technology.
Only Turkey would have to agree with a overflight. Otherwise only Iranian relations with Greece would probably be at risk due to airspace (outer space better said) violation.

JCPOA/Barjam is for now is too important to leave it.

The European reaction would be quite bad but Iran can use terrorism pretext as defense.

Time to make political capital of this technology.

 

[PeeD]

If MEK was still in Iraq I'd advocate a storm of Iranian missiles raining down on their camp but throwing missiles at any European state is really silly.

A Europe that practically sanctions Iran and effectively pulls out of a agreement has no strategic value for Iran.
As for Albania: Their economic situation has forced them to act like that... I feel sorry for them, they could be a strategic ally to Iran and historically related.

 

[925boy]

All this will be given to Yemeni terrorists and used against our Saudi brothers

you are in war, so fight and dont make excuses or whine.

 

[Aramagedon]

 

[skyshadow]

Albanias capital and the MKO camp is 2000km away from Iran. I would propose to use 20 Khorramshahr-2 against the annual MKO event there as an anti-terror operation. They would need to be shot from 500km away from the border at 2500 max. range to let the booster stage fall within Iran.

This would be a good reaction if Europeans bow to Trump and practically sanction Iran. Albania is not in the EU or NATO but the message would be delivered in a legitimate way. The destruction would be devastating. No risk of shotdown, loss of human life, crash or compromised critical technology.
Only Turkey would have to agree with a overflight. Otherwise only Iranian relations with Greece would probably be at risk due to airspace (outer space better said) violation.

JCPOA/Barjam is for now is too important to leave it.

The European reaction would be quite bad but Iran can use terrorism pretext as defense.

Time to make political capital of this technology.

gave it just little bet more than 5 years and we will be ready to stand against Israel or them.

 

[TheImmortal]

Albanias capital and the MKO camp is 2000km away from Iran. I would propose to use 20 Khorramshahr-2 against the annual MKO event there as an anti-terror operation. They would need to be shot from 500km away from the border at 2500 max. range to let the booster stage fall within Iran.

This would be a good reaction if Europeans bow to Trump and practically sanction Iran. Albania is not in the EU or NATO but the message would be delivered in a legitimate way. The destruction would be devastating. No risk of shotdown, loss of human life, crash or compromised critical technology.
Only Turkey would have to agree with a overflight. Otherwise only Iranian relations with Greece would probably be at risk due to airspace (outer space better said) violation.

JCPOA/Barjam is for now is too important to leave it.

The European reaction would be quite bad but Iran can use terrorism pretext as defense.

Time to make political capital of this technology.

You must be out of your mind.

You want iran to fire missiles into a sovereign country? In Europe? Just as the West is saying that Iran’s missiles are threat to all nations not just the Missile east?

You would be giving the West an early birthday present.

Luckily Iran’s leaders are much more pragmatic in their thinking then you.

Play chess not checkers my friend.

 

[VEVAK]

Albanias capital and the MKO camp is 2000km away from Iran. I would propose to use 20 Khorramshahr-2 against the annual MKO event there as an anti-terror operation. They would need to be shot from 500km away from the border at 2500 max. range to let the booster stage fall within Iran.

This would be a good reaction if Europeans bow to Trump and practically sanction Iran. Albania is not in the EU or NATO but the message would be delivered in a legitimate way. The destruction would be devastating. No risk of shotdown, loss of human life, crash or compromised critical technology.
Only Turkey would have to agree with a overflight. Otherwise only Iranian relations with Greece would probably be at risk due to airspace (outer space better said) violation.

JCPOA/Barjam is for now is too important to leave it.

The European reaction would be quite bad but Iran can use terrorism pretext as defense.

Time to make political capital of this technology.

Simply put MKO or MEK is simply not worth Iran risking relations with Turkey!!! And I'd much rather do something that would piss off the Saudi's rather than the Turks and there is no reality where the Turks would be OK with 20 tones of Iranian warheads flying well over 1000km over their Air Space.

Plus, I think Iran would be better off building small low cost boats or subs in Syria and launch small LaCm from the sea....

Or a future versions of the Simorgh UCAV doing a pit stop over Syria and heading towards Albania each equipped with 4 or so 250lb upgraded versions of an Iranian SDB

 

[VEVAK]

Or a New long range LaCm

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[Blue In Green]

Albanias capital and the MKO camp is 2000km away from Iran. I would propose to use 20 Khorramshahr-2 against the annual MKO event there as an anti-terror operation. They would need to be shot from 500km away from the border at 2500 max. range to let the booster stage fall within Iran.

This would be a good reaction if Europeans bow to Trump and practically sanction Iran. Albania is not in the EU or NATO but the message would be delivered in a legitimate way. The destruction would be devastating. No risk of shotdown, loss of human life, crash or compromised critical technology.
Only Turkey would have to agree with a overflight. Otherwise only Iranian relations with Greece would probably be at risk due to airspace (outer space better said) violation.

JCPOA/Barjam is for now is too important to leave it.

The European reaction would be quite bad but Iran can use terrorism pretext as defense.

Time to make political capital of this technology.

Tremendous respect for you PeeD but you've lost me a little bit here chief. Iran targeting MEK meetings in Albania would play PERFECTLY into the hands of the US/Israel and co. I know on paper Albania isn't in the EU or NATO but that doesn't really matter since they'll use Albania as a poster child for Irans "agression" the world over. Basically Iran will have given the US all the evidence it needed to vindicate their claims that Iran is indeed a world menace, one that must be dealt with.

Again, I also believe Iran is well within their right to strike and kill MEK terrorists wherever they may be but within logical reason. If they have camps in Iraq, Syra or maybe even Afghanistan then I can see Iran doing this with little trouble. But Albania is in Europe next to European nations, the message from Iran to Europe will be misconstrued. Although Iran doesn't bear much open hostility for Europe, an attack on Albanian territory will give that impression whether Iran meant it or not.

 

[PeeD]

In the geo-strategic game you need assets to play.
Iran has lost quite a few assets for now: JCPOA has taken some important assets from Iran, in space, missile and nuclear fields.

America has used the sledgehammer and left Barjam and now Europeans have played the waiting game and brought themselves into a position where they have effectively left Barjam without leaving it officially.

It's time to invest a new asset into a game which could bring the Europeans back to the table. Without it, the Europeans have no slight reason to change the current situation.

You people complaining about this should realize: European strategist have brought themselves into a ideal situation, without a action from Iran, they will simply not react.

Europeans will have no kind of benefit for Iran in the next years if everything remains as is.

- The MKO is listed or was listed as terrorist group in many countries, so they present a ideal target.
- Precision strike capability offers capability of surgical strikes as western counties call it. A surgical strike remains restricted to terrorists, no collateral damage (only the MKO camp)

Iran has to make sure Turkey is not pissed off, Greece/Bulgaria as secondary and the Albanian people would have to understand that the strike is the fault of their government and Iran is friendly to Albanian people.

I admit that the overflight issue is a serious stopper of that idea. The idea of a cruise missile strike, maybe launched by Su-22 inside Iraqi airspace is also a option. A future Khorramshahr with a post-boost glide vehicle is another method for variable fly path.

So let me say as final point: Europeans have done, or about to do the worst they could to Iran.
Iran can either sit and accept a effective embargo by the Europeans or realizes that such a Europe has no national interest benefit for Iran.

@TheImmortal @BlueInGreen2

A Europe that puts an unilateral embargo upon Iran against international law has no strategic value for Iran. It is not some kind of holy place. Not useful for national interest = no value. As simple as that.
We need to see where the EU goes but Iran is not Iraq that can be used by westerners as they wish, Iran can react.
But I agree that this idea should be one of the last assets Iran should use to get Europeans back to their own signed JCPOA.
Iran has those weapons exactly for this purposes, thats why they are strategic weapons.

 

[raptor22]

Iran should use to get Europeans back to their own signed JCPOA.

I can assure that thing you mentioned not only wouldn't bring them to their own signed JCPOA but on the contrary would feed bibi & his kind a lot of crap for their propaganda machine against us which consequently lead to more hostile situation in the region ... Instead of bringing them by missile bring your burnt cards back on the table .. JCPOA card ... they wanna see it working then they gotta cooperate & pay for it... no cooperation? ok 5000 centrifuges would be back with the presence of IAEA inspector & set another deadline ..nothing? another 5k ... ... it helps you :

1. It would reverse the cycle of pressure.
2. Your stalling NP would be restarted, your so-called asset.
3. It'd teach them every wrong step from them would not remained unanswered.
4. As side salad You can double your efforts on space program while doing your best to portray it as pure scientific & civil program like live feed of your launches, agriculture & drought, ....
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If it bring them to their own signed JCPOA then congrats if not you have nothing to lose while you restarted your NP & SP. your assets.

As far as we proceed on current path nothing would get changed even by nuking the entire Albania and beside don't give credit to these mko terrorists .. they don't deserve it.

 

[TheImmortal]

In the geo-strategic game you need assets to play.
Iran has lost quite a few assets for now: JCPOA has taken some important assets from Iran, in space, missile and nuclear fields.

America has used the sledgehammer and left Barjam and now Europeans have played the waiting game and brought themselves into a position where they have effectively left Barjam without leaving it officially.

It's time to invest a new asset into a game which could bring the Europeans back to the table. Without it, the Europeans have no slight reason to change the current situation.

You people complaining about this should realize: European strategist have brought themselves into a ideal situation, without a action from Iran, they will simply not react.

Europeans will have no kind of benefit for Iran in the next years if everything remains as is.

- The MKO is listed or was listed as terrorist group in many countries, so they present a ideal target.
- Precision strike capability offers capability of surgical strikes as western counties call it. A surgical strike remains restricted to terrorists, no collateral damage (only the MKO camp)

Iran has to make sure Turkey is not pissed off, Greece/Bulgaria as secondary and the Albanian people would have to understand that the strike is the fault of their government and Iran is friendly to Albanian people.

I admit that the overflight issue is a serious stopper of that idea. The idea of a cruise missile strike, maybe launched by Su-22 inside Iraqi airspace is also a option. A future Khorramshahr with a post-boost glide vehicle is another method for variable fly path.

So let me say as final point: Europeans have done, or about to do the worst they could to Iran.
Iran can either sit and accept a effective embargo by the Europeans or realizes that such a Europe has no national interest benefit for Iran.

@TheImmortal @BlueInGreen2

A Europe that puts an unilateral embargo upon Iran against international law has no strategic value for Iran. It is not some kind of holy place. Not useful for national interest = no value. As simple as that.
We need to see where the EU goes but Iran is not Iraq that can be used by westerners as they wish, Iran can react.
But I agree that this idea should be one of the last assets Iran should use to get Europeans back to their own signed JCPOA.
Iran has those weapons exactly for this purposes, thats why they are strategic weapons.

Barjam was the fault of Iran for believing that it could keep the nuclear deal seperate from other regional issues.

Outside of a landmark treaty involving Iran/Israel/US/EU there is zero chance Iran will be left alone as long as it seeks the overthrow of the apartheid government.

Since Iran will NOT negotiate with israel and achieve a peace treaty, then it doesn’t matter how many deals Iran signs it will always end up with the short end of the stick.

Firing missiles and assassinating rivals is not going to get Iran anywhere. It’s like a child throwing a temper tantrum for not getting candy.

Without a peace treaty with Israel and a damages court tribunal being set up by both sides to calculate the damages inflicted on both sides by the other and reaching some type of monetary compensation then this is all a mute point.

As Rahbar said if it isn’t nuclear program, it will be missile, then it will be space program, then will be cruise missiles, then will support of paramilitary groups, then it will be civil rights, then it will be women’s rights, then it will be for not saying good morning.

If Iran wants to be brought into the international fold then it comes only one way: Peace/arms Treaty with Israel.

Since this is a red line for Iran, Barjam will fail and so will every deal after Barjam. Even when Barjam was in enforce all Iran was doing was getting energy deals and exporting more oil, something it had access to prior to Barjam. So the deal did nothing more than bring Iran to the status quo of 2009.

 

[PeeD]

We can't break the JCPOA. China and Russia are also signatories.
So centrifuges and restart of the nuclear program is no leverage/asset.

A different leverage asset is needed. Space program, yes. Nuclear propulsion yes.

But if nothing brings them back, showing off a capability that can hold them at risk 24/7 is a good signal.
Iran can bring them back to the table if the feel the use of BMs in front of their doorsteps, against a target that is legitimate in any sense.
Iran can then negotiate a deal with them capping Irans missile range to 2500km in return for significant economic benefits.
That may sound like another concession but if all their parliaments are at risk they may consider it.

As said: For now they are about to effectively embargo Iran and that's unacceptable for Iran. Iran has means to force them back to the tables.

Bear in mind that this is no aggression against Albania, the target is just a terrorist group on their soil. Iran did this to a toothless Saddam in 1999 and to a friendly Iraq in 2018. No country in the world should think it is possible to host a terrorist group that has thousands of killings on their list, at least not against Iran.

The age and taste of this kind of weapon has not been felt in the world. Iran should give hostile countries a small taste in a legitimate context.
Better yet: Accelerate work on a hypersonic glide vehicle for the Khorromashahr to be able to avoid overflight of Turkey and Greece.
As they say: If your own life is at risk, you act differently.

Many here don't realize that an embargo is a hostile act that can be seen as a direct aggression. Tarof nadarim.

As next step we would not be able to strike the MKO meeting in Paris, they are a nuclear/ICBM power afterall, but that would be the limit, not a pissed-off Europe on Albania.

 

[TheImmortal]

We can't break the JCPOA. China and Russia are also signatories.
So centrifuges and restart of the nuclear program is no leverage/asset.

A different leverage asset is needed. Space program, yes. Nuclear propulsion yes.

But if nothing brings them back, showing off a capability that can hold them at risk 24/7 is a good signal.
Iran can bring them back to the table if the feel the use of BMs in front of their doorsteps, against a target that is legitimate in any sense.
Iran can then negotiate a deal with them capping Irans missile range to 2500km in return for significant economic benefits.
That may sound like another concession but if all their parliaments are at risk they may consider it.

As said: For now they are about to effectively embargo Iran and that's unacceptable for Iran. Iran has means to force them back to the tables.

Bear in mind that this is no aggression against Albania, the target is just a terrorist group on their soil. Iran did this to a toothless Saddam in 1999 and to a friendly Iraq in 2018. No country in the world should think it is possible to host a terrorist group that has thousands of killings on their list, at least not against Iran.

The age and taste of this kind of weapon has not been felt in the world. Iran should give hostile countries a small taste in a legitimate context.
Better yet: Accelerate work on a hypersonic glide vehicle for the Khorromashahr to be able to avoid overflight of Turkey and Greece.
As they say: If your own life is at risk, you act differently.

Many here don't realize that an embargo is a hostile act that can be seen as a direct aggression. Tarof nadarim.

As next step we would not be able to strike the MKO meeting in Paris, they are a nuclear/ICBM power afterall, but that would be the limit, not a pissed-off Europe on Albania.

Flawed thinking.

Iran has already accepted a self-imposed 2500KM limit on missiles so why would Europe accept that? Iran has already leveraged away that limit. If you wanted to get 2500KM limit, Iran would need to have rapidly developed 8000KM-10,000KM ICBM so that it could give that up in negotiation and the West can say they reduced Iran’s Missile range by 4x.

As of right now the West wants Iran under 500KM likely.

Furthermore, accepting any limit on missile program is simply the first step in disbanding the entire program over time. A Classic Western Tactic.

Iran will not be able to strong arm the West. West is not intimidated military, they went up against Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Soviet Union, so iran in comparison is a walk in the park.

Iran’s biggest flaw was not rapidly expanding economically post Revolution. By not being economically important to europe (outside of energy) there was little incentive for Europe to not follow US orders.

If you think that the threat of conventional missiles will deter Europe, you are naive. They have Russian nuclear tipped cruise missiles and BMs aimed at them for Decades. Iranian missiles are firecrackers in comparison.

 

[Blue In Green]

In the geo-strategic game you need assets to play.
Iran has lost quite a few assets for now: JCPOA has taken some important assets from Iran, in space, missile and nuclear fields.

America has used the sledgehammer and left Barjam and now Europeans have played the waiting game and brought themselves into a position where they have effectively left Barjam without leaving it officially.

It's time to invest a new asset into a game which could bring the Europeans back to the table. Without it, the Europeans have no slight reason to change the current situation.

You people complaining about this should realize: European strategist have brought themselves into a ideal situation, without a action from Iran, they will simply not react.

Europeans will have no kind of benefit for Iran in the next years if everything remains as is.

- The MKO is listed or was listed as terrorist group in many countries, so they present a ideal target.
- Precision strike capability offers capability of surgical strikes as western counties call it. A surgical strike remains restricted to terrorists, no collateral damage (only the MKO camp)

Iran has to make sure Turkey is not pissed off, Greece/Bulgaria as secondary and the Albanian people would have to understand that the strike is the fault of their government and Iran is friendly to Albanian people.

I admit that the overflight issue is a serious stopper of that idea. The idea of a cruise missile strike, maybe launched by Su-22 inside Iraqi airspace is also a option. A future Khorramshahr with a post-boost glide vehicle is another method for variable fly path.

So let me say as final point: Europeans have done, or about to do the worst they could to Iran.
Iran can either sit and accept a effective embargo by the Europeans or realizes that such a Europe has no national interest benefit for Iran.

@TheImmortal @BlueInGreen2

A Europe that puts an unilateral embargo upon Iran against international law has no strategic value for Iran. It is not some kind of holy place. Not useful for national interest = no value. As simple as that.
We need to see where the EU goes but Iran is not Iraq that can be used by westerners as they wish, Iran can react.
But I agree that this idea should be one of the last assets Iran should use to get Europeans back to their own signed JCPOA.
Iran has those weapons exactly for this purposes, thats why they are strategic weapons.

You have a really good point there admittedly. Rock and a hard place sadly....