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[VEVAK]

So 4 out of 7 made contact against an air defenseless opponent? Has this been generally confirmed?

If so, then I don’t care if they were all F-110B’s that rate of improvement needs to get much higher.

Both targets were massive in size equivalent to a small military forward base. Completely missing them is not sufficient.

This is what Fatteh-110B's original CEP would look like if just over half of the missiles landed inside that circle!!

So with the original B's Iran would of had to fire over 20 missiles just to land ONE somewhere inside the headquarters!!!!!!!!! And at least 60-100 missiles just to hit the section of the building within 20 meters of where the meeting was taking place.
So these are NOT original B's they are B booster rockets! Today a Fatteh-110 B just indicates the Max Effective Range of the Rocket & it's speed and they say 250km but they usually keep them under 230KM with the B's if possible and if they had their original targeting system they would of kept them under 200km to be able to take higher angle trajectories for better terminal guidance!

 

[TheImmortal]

well there is no doubt the faster the rate of improvement the better .
but about the targets were big ,I say no the targets were some tent and a room , they were not that big. I say the precision for the missiles tat hit the area is as good as Iskander missile
what I wonder is that where is two other missile ? why nobody talk about them , even if they hit desert why nobody say so , if they hit some other place why keep it secret ? honestly you expect with today technologies somebody could have answered those questions ?

The target wasn’t a room, the overall target was a base of operations and the other was a training camp.

Like the syrian missile strike, it shows similarities in accuracy issues. Iran’s ballistic capability is still not at acceptable levels considering Iran has a lack of airforce and long range cruise missile arsenal to make up for short comings.

This is what Fatteh-110B's original CEP would look like if just over half of the missiles landed inside that circle!!
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So with the original B's Iran would of had to fire over 20 missiles just to land ONE somewhere inside the headquarters!!!!!!!!! And at least 60-100 missiles just to hit the section of the building within 20 meters of where the meeting was taking place.
So these are NOT original B's they are B booster rockets! Today a Fatteh-110 B just indicates the Max Effective Range of the Rocket & it's speed and they say 250km but they usually keep them under 230KM with the B's if possible and if they had their original targeting system they would of kept them under 200km to be able to take higher angle trajectories for better terminal guidance!

All speculation at this point. The range and true accuracy of any Fateh series missile is classified.

Iran really needs to boost its long range cruise missile arsenal. (Which it has announced it is doing).

Iran building even 10,000 F-110’s is simply not viable.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The target wasn’t a room, the overall target was a base of operations and the other was a training camp.

Like the syrian missile strike, it shows similarities in accuracy issues. Iran’s ballistic capability is still not at acceptable levels considering Iran has a lack of airforce and long range cruise missile arsenal to make up for short comings.



All speculation at this point. The range and true accuracy of any Fateh series missile is classified.

Iran really needs to boost its long range cruise missile arsenal. (Which it has announced it is doing).

Iran building even 10,000 F-110’s is simply not viable.

Wrong target were the room that the terrorist leaders have a gathering there and one missile hit the room and another 6m of it.
And two missile also hit training camp .

 

[TheImmortal]

Wrong target were the room that the terrorist leaders have a gathering there and one missile hit the room and another 6m of it.
And two missile also hit training camp .

When a warhead is re-entering at Mach 5+ with its 500KG high explosives, it is not necessary to hit the room to obliterate the target.

Furthermore, if you have to fire 5-7 missiles to assure destruction of a military target then that is a problem.

Assuming that your opponent has a modern air defense network. Let’s say it intercepts even 30% of the missiles incoming. That would mean iran would have to fire 10 missiles to achieve the same results it did today.

If that were the case, Iran would quickly deplete ts missile stockpile in the early months of any major war.

The entire deterrence threat of Iran lies in how capable the Emad warhead (for MRBM) and the Mobin warhead (for SRBM) are in surviving and accurately hitting their target.

It explains why in the last few years Iran shifted focus away from creating brand new missile designs to improving the accuracy of their current missiles with next generation warhead technology.

After all what is the point of a missile force if most of your missiles either get intercepted or miss their target by acceptable standards?

 

[VEVAK]

The target wasn’t a room, the overall target was a base of operations and the other was a training camp.

Like the syrian missile strike, it shows similarities in accuracy issues. Iran’s ballistic capability is still not at acceptable levels considering Iran has a lack of airforce and long range cruise missile arsenal to make up for short comings.



All speculation at this point. The range and true accuracy of any Fateh series missile is classified.

Iran really needs to boost its long range cruise missile arsenal. (Which it has announced it is doing).

Iran building even 10,000 F-110’s is simply not viable.

1st IT IS NOT speculation these are all info Iran has already made public in the past!
CEP of F-110B's were 0.09% (225Meters) of max range and the 1st guidance system upgrade was to 0.03% of max range CEP 75 meters that even export version got and from then Iran started producing new guidance systems with new systems going into production every 2 years like clockwork with the latest being the Mobin and these are all public info!

10,000 Fateh 110's & Fateh-313's with a CEP of 10-15 Meters & 35 meters for Airburst cluster version is more than sufficient for any target on the surface within 450km of where they are fired from and to fully take away the need to use fighter jets against fixed surface targets within 400km of Iranian soil & up to 600km if sufficient number of Zolfaghar's are built

If Iran can achieve a CEP of 10 meters and if you have good intel & backed by well equipped special forces on the ground it shouldn't take more than 1000 missiles to severely damage any enemies Air Defense capabilities, 1000 to severely damage their Air Force capabilities and another 1000 to go after Command, Com's, Infrastructure & Docked Naval capabilities and the rest you can leave up to UCAV's, Cheaper Cruise Missiles & your Air Force.
And 10,000 should be sufficient against the U.S. or a war against multiple countries on 3 fronts to cover targets within 350km of Iranian soil

 

[TheImmortal]

1st IT IS NOT speculation these are all info Iran has already made public in the past!
CEP of F-110B's were 0.09% (225Meters) of max range and the 1st guidance system upgrade was to 0.03% of max range CEP 75 meters that even export version got and from then Iran started producing new guidance systems with new systems going into production every 2 years like clockwork with the latest being the Mobin and these are all public info!

10,000 Fateh 110's & Fateh-313's with a CEP of 10-15 Meters & 35 meters for Airburst cluster version is more than sufficient for any target on the surface within 450km of where they are fired from and to fully take away the need to use fighter jets against fixed surface targets within 400km of Iranian soil & up to 600km if sufficient number of Zolfaghar's are built

If Iran can achieve a CEP of 10 meters and if you have good intel & backed by well equipped special forces on the ground it shouldn't take more than 1000 missiles to severely damage any enemies Air Defense capabilities, 1000 to severely damage their Air Force capabilities and another 1000 to go after Command, Com's, Infrastructure & Docked Naval capabilities and the rest you can leave up to UCAV's, Cheaper Cruise Missiles & your Air Force.
And 10,000 should be sufficient against the U.S. or a war against multiple countries on 3 fronts to cover targets within 350km of Iranian soil

Problem is iran doesn’t have 10,000 F-110s. Which was my point.

People here seem to think Iran has 100,000 missiles. That’s absurd.

 

[Hack-Hook]

When a warhead is re-entering at Mach 5+ with its 500KG high explosives, it is not necessary to hit the room to obliterate the target.

but it hit the room

 

[NaCon]

People here seem to think Iran has 100,000 missiles. That’s absurd.

they actually have more. I think they might have close to a million from short range unguided to long range ballistic and cruise missiles. Remember Hezbollah alone which is sponsored by Iran, has according to Israeli estimates upwards of 150,000 guided and unguided missiles.

source: https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-...-more-Predicting-the-third-Lebanon-war-542171

 

[TheImmortal]

they actually have more. I think they might have close to a million from short range unguided to long range ballistic and cruise missiles. Remember Hezbollah alone which is sponsored by Iran, has according to Israeli estimates upwards of 150,000 guided and unguided missiles.

source: https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-...-more-Predicting-the-third-Lebanon-war-542171

That is hilarious!!! A million missiles? NO A BILLION! Why not a trillion?

Hezbollah has 100,000 Mostly katuyshas, GRAD, IRAMs, and unguided rockets. BIG BIG DIFFERENCE between those and guided missiles.

Prior to 60 day war the arsenal was maybe 10,000-20,000 rockets and a small amount of longer range zelzal rockets.

In terms of actual guided BM’s (Fateh series) they likely have less than 250 maybe as low as 50.

One thing people forget about F-110 is that its a SOLID FUEL missile. Thus it must be handled with EXTRA care and STORED safely.

So if we are talking about Iran’s MODERN BMs the stockpile is probably not even 10,000 missiles TOTAL! (Shahab-3, Emads, Qiams, Ghadr, Sejil, F-110’s, Zolfighar).

 

[VEVAK]

Problem is iran doesn’t have 10,000 F-110s. Which was my point.

People here seem to think Iran has 100,000 missiles. That’s absurd.

They are just repeating what Iranian Generals have said in the past! And it depends on how you look at it. If you were to include everything from ATGM, SAM, Cruise Missiles, Air Launch Missiles, Anti ships missiles,.... Iran could have a stock of over 100,000 missiles.

 

[NaCon]

That is hilarious!!! A million missiles? NO A BILLION! Why not a trillion?

Hezbollah has 100,000 Mostly katuyshas, GRAD, IRAMs, and unguided rockets. BIG BIG DIFFERENCE between those and guided missiles.

Prior to 60 day war the arsenal was maybe 10,000-20,000 rockets and a small amount of longer range zelzal rockets.

In terms of actual guided BM’s (Fateh series) they likely have less than 250 maybe as low as 50.

One thing people forget about F-110 is that its a SOLID FUEL missile. Thus it must be handled with EXTRA care and STORED safely.

So if we are talking about Iran’s MODERN BMs the stockpile is probably not even 10,000 missiles TOTAL! (Shahab-3, Emads, Qiams, Ghadr, Sejil, F-110’s, Zolfighar).

Did you actually read what I have written?!?
I wrote guided and unguided missiles and cruise missiles.

In terms of actual guided BM’s (Fateh series) they likely have less than 250 maybe as low as 50.

So if we are talking about Iran’s MODERN BMs the stockpile is probably not even 10,000 missiles TOTAL! (Shahab-3, Emads, Qiams, Ghadr, Sejil, F-110’s, Zolfighar).

so what you are saying is that iran used 3-14% of its fateh missiles when they launched 7 of them last week

 

[TheImmortal]

They are just repeating what Iranian Generals have said in the past! And it depends on how you look at it. If you were to include everything from ATGM, SAM, Cruise Missiles, Air Launch Missiles, Anti ships missiles,.... Iran could have a stock of over 100,000 missiles.

That’s called PROPAGANDA. If every country used that logic then the US and russia could say they have a TRILLION “missiles”. Let’s not skew the definition of what we really mean.

Furthermore, Iran’s long range cruise missile arsenal is basically non existent. No indication Soumar is even operationally viable. And Ya Ali is still a mock up.

The lack of Soumar use in Syria and Iraq attack is very telling. Let’s you know they are still not accurate enough.

Did you actually read what I have written?!?
I wrote guided and unguided missiles and cruise missiles.


so what you are saying is that iran used 3-14% of its fateh missiles when they launched 7 of them last week

I was merely pointing not to promote propaganda. So if 100,000 are nonsophisticated rockets and 250 are actual BMs then you can’t say Hezbollah has 100,000 guided and nonguided missiles. Because that’s not really telling the whole truth, it’s propaganda.

Also I said that Hezbollah F-110 arsenal is likely <250 missiles. Iran’s could be 1,000-2,000. Who really knows. But assuming Iran produces at least 100 F-110’s a year that would mean in the last 10 years they should have amassed at least 1,000 missiles.

Also people seem to forget that it’s not so much how many iran can produce, but how many are actually be ordered by Iran’s military. Like all countries, Iran’s military sets a budget.

Iran has been firing off old missiles that are reaching the end of their operational capability. They also tested new generations in live combat environment as part of ongoing military assessments.

Iran has likely also retired TENS possibly hundreds of liquid fueled old Shahab-3 generation missiles over the years as well.

 

[VEVAK]

That’s called PROPAGANDA. If every country used that logic then the US and russia could say they have a TRILLION “missiles”. Let’s not skew the definition of what we really mean.

Furthermore, Iran’s long range cruise missile arsenal is basically non existent. No indication Soumar is even operationally viable. And Ya Ali is still a mock up.

The lack of Soumar use in Syria and Iraq attack is very telling. Let’s you know they are still not accurate enough.



I was merely pointing not to promote propaganda. So if 100,000 are nonsophisticated rockets and 250 are actual BMs then you can’t say Hezbollah has 100,000 guided and nonguided missiles. Because that’s not really telling the whole truth, it’s propaganda.

Also I said that Hezbollah F-110 arsenal is likely <250 missiles. Iran’s could be 1,000-2,000. Who really knows. But assuming Iran produces at least 100 F-110’s a year that would mean in the last 10 years they should have amassed at least 1,000 missiles.

Also people seem to forget that it’s not so much how many iran can produce, but how many are actually be ordered by Iran’s military. Like all countries, Iran’s military sets a budget.

Iran has been firing off old missiles that are reaching the end of their operational capability. They also tested new generations in live combat environment as part of ongoing military assessments.

Iran has likely also retired TENS possibly hundreds of liquid fueled old Shahab-3 generation missiles over the years as well.

1st the main problem Iran has with its Liquid Fueled BM is not the number rather the type of missiles used! If you can produce a wider diameter missile with higher payload capacity like the Khoramshar and equip them with at least 4 ~1000lb MIRV and a good CEP then 10 Missile = 40 upgraded Shahab-3 and launching 25 of them at an Air base = 100 MRBM and stocking 1000 over a decade with ~250 launchers and silos will be sufficient to retire all your Shahab's, Qader's, Qiam's & Emad's or keep un-fueled ones in deep underground storage area's without breaking a sweat and if they are properly stored maybe even with a layer of nano coating then they should be fine for another 3-4 decade!


2ndly producing cruise missiles is really not that complicated and Iran started production of land attack cruise missiles well over a decade ago with land attack variants of the Raad 450km

Iran's been producing mini turbojet engines for ~14 years now and they made the Karrar public some 8 years ago so it's not really a question of whether Iran has ready to deploy LACM rather a question of what their range and capabilities are​

The main problem with cruise missiles is unless you have proper intel, mapping, with the right sub systems allowing them to fly really low at some places or high in others based on preprogrammed threat assessment with sufficient range to conduct such maneuvers then they become relatively easy to take down

And not using a weapon system is not the same as not having them!

 

[Raghfarm007]

Soumar cruise missile attack in Yemen:

 

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