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[Stryker1982]

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همانطور که مطلع هستید حدود یک ماه پیش، پنجمین رزمایش مشترک محمد رسول الله توسط ارتش جمهوری اسلامی ایران برگزار شد.

یکی از موضوعات قابل توجه در آن رزمایش استفاده از راکتهای هدایت شونده و دقیق زن در آن رزمایش بود که بخاطر اطلاع رسانی نامناسب ابهاماتی درباره آن وجود داشت. در تصاویر منتشر شده شده قبلی، راکت فجر-5 سی یا همان موشک فجر-5 مشاهده شده بود. سپس در یکی از مراحل رزمایش خبری تحت عنوان تست راکت هدایت شونده "لبیک-1" نیز منتشر شد از طرف دیگر تصویری از گونه هدایت شونده راکتی منتشر شد که به لحاظ سایز، ظاهرا در کلاس راکتهای نازعات و یا زلزال بود و دقیقا مشخص نشد که راکت لبیک-1 همان زلزال یا نازعات هدایت شونده هست هست یا نه.

امروز و در یک برنامه تلویزیونی، تصاویر دیگری از این رزمایش منتشر شد که مهمترین نکته آن نمایش لحظه اصابت یک پرتابه دقیق به هدف، و لحظه شلیک راکتی بود که ظاهرا گونه هدایت شونده راکتی در کلاس راکتهای زلزال هست.

در ویدیوی اول شلیک راکت ذکر شده و صحنه اصابت را از دگ زاویه مختلف مشاهده میکنید. در تصاویر بعدی نیز شلیک و اصابت را مشاهده میکنید.

در تصویر آخر همان راکتی را مشاهده میکنید که قبلا تصاویر آن منتشر شده بود و احتمال داده میشد که همان راکت لبیک-1 هست.

موضوع اول اینکه با توجه به رنگ دماغه راکتها، ظاهرا تصاویر مربوط به دو راکت جدا از هم هست، حال اینکه هر دو راکت یک نوع هستند یا متفاوت میباشند، جای سوال دارد، مثلا ممکن هست یکی از راکتها در کلاس نازعات هدایت شونده و دیگری در کلاس زلزال هدایت شونده باشد، ولی با توجه به اطلاع رسانی نامناسب نمیتوان اظهار نظر قطعی داشت.

موضوع جالب توجه دیگر استفاده از پرتابگر_دوفروندی_ذوالفقار برای شلیک این راکت هدایت شونده میباشد و درواقع اولین بار هست که این پرتابگر وارد سازمان رزم ارتش شده است. پیش از این، این پرتابگر برای شلیک موشکهای خانواده فاتح و راکتهای زلزال در سپاه مشاهده شده بود و بنا به برخی گمانه زنی ها، کامیون استفاده شده در سیستمهای پدافندی خانواده طبس و سوم خرداد، نیروی هوافضای سپاه نیز ریشه مشترکی با این پرتابگر داشته و درواقع دو گونه توسعه یافته از یک محصول، متناسب با وظایف خود هستند.

What could this missile due that a Fateh-110 can't do. This just seems like recycling propoganda. Iran has had these kinds of missiles for years yet parades them like they just got them. Basically a guided Zelzal. So what?

 

[Hack-Hook]

What could this missile due that a Fateh-110 can't do. This just seems like recycling propoganda. Iran has had these kinds of missiles for years yet parades them like they just got them. Basically a guided Zelzal. So what?

Well they have different use . fate is a missile this one is a rocket .
Its has less range ,is a lot cheaper .and a lit lighter , also it increase the accuracy of our MRLS by folds .
Its also part of modernizing ground forces .also the system is far more mobile than Fatih

 

[Draco.IMF]

curious how many years it will take Iran to have its first hypersonic missile?
or maybe they are testing them already?
Russia unveilded a hypersonic missiles called "Kinzhal" which is allegedly a modified Iskander:

 

[sanel1412]

What could this missile due that a Fateh-110 can't do. This just seems like recycling propoganda. Iran has had these kinds of missiles for years yet parades them like they just got them. Basically a guided Zelzal. So what?

Fateh 110 is missile..those are rokets ...I don't know why most are asking why this..when they had that.....well because for example Iran is buying and producing wepons not only for itself but also for many groups and other countries.they are arming themself,Hezbollah,Iraq,Syria...we can see Iranian weapons every where...that is why they produce so many types of weapons....they need cheap UAVs/UCAVs while in same time they have much advanced...they can't give Sahed 129 to Huties or Hezbolah because in war time they will operate againest advanced enemy and without infrastucture to operate advanced systems that need highly educated staff,pilots,complex radars ...airstrips but heay can give them cheap small UAVs/UCAVs they can operate without complex infrastucture and educated personel....When it comes to missiles there situation is much complex...and while same explanation apply regarding arming diffirent groups and even countries,xthey also need to be able to fool anti balistic/air defense shields and they need to lunch from different positions and angles and at this way they will not only shadowed shields but also avoid detection and fool alghorithms of shields.That is why they have deployed bunch of cheep missiles to Hezbollah but they also need some precision guided rockets ....again missiles are tactical and strategic assests not artilery...rockets are artilery...it can be long range or shor range but it is used as artillery and has different purpose than missiles.There is big difference between 400-800 Km tactical missiles and long range artillery with 40-200Km range ....missiles have also minimal range expecually Fateh 110 class missiles so it is not like you have missile with 400km range...than you can fire to target at 40km ...So there is good reason Iran is deploying so many different types of weapons ....they have huge requirements on different sides....war in Syria,lebanon,Yemen...Iran is gaining influence with weapons mostly....in Iraq when Iraq is almost overruned Iran came in last minute and provide them weapons and aminution...Iraq prime minister said publicly on CNN "Iran provided us weapons and amunition in last minute while US was not responding to our request and that will have consequence on relations.." ..this was in contextor responding to question "Will Iraq now request from Iran and PMU to leave Iraq".....it is not just propaganda,now I'm reading they will also provide training weapons to lebanon Army...now it is not important will this be the case but it shows how relations work...you have to be able to offer something if you want influence..in this region it is weapons mostly

 

[Fafnir]

curious how many years it will take Iran to have its first hypersonic missile?
or maybe they are testing them already?
Russia unveilded a hypersonic missiles called "Kinzhal" which is allegedly a modified Iskander:

I wonder if iran could do something similar with a modified air launch capable zolfiqar srbm and the f14 as a carrier/launch aircraft?....hmmm..some interesting possibilities perhaps?

 

[VEVAK]

What could this missile due that a Fateh-110 can't do. This just seems like recycling propoganda. Iran has had these kinds of missiles for years yet parades them like they just got them. Basically a guided Zelzal. So what?

Based on your comment Iran shouldn't try to prefect on current designs! Based on that attitude Iran's Fatteh-110 would still be stuck with a CEP of ~500 meters at max range

btw standard Zelzal missiles have a CEP of ~1km and earlier versions had a CEP of up to 10km away at max range! Fact is for strike capability the Zelzals aren't even worth the trucks they are mounted on!

And going from that to this is a major improvement

And there are still many more upgrades Iran still needs to do!

Fatteh-100 are by the most part for targets between 150-250km away that require ~1000lb payloads

You still need weapon systems to take out targets under that range also if you can increase your accuracy it may be far more preferable to use lighter but more effective payloads.

 

[Muhammed45]

Based on your comment Iran shouldn't try to prefect on current designs! Based on that attitude Iran's Fatteh-110 would still be stuck with a CEP of ~500 meters at max range

btw standard Zelzal missiles have a CEP of ~1km and earlier versions had a CEP of up to 10km away at max range! Fact is for strike capability the Zelzals aren't even worth the trucks they are mounted on!

And going from that to this is a major improvement
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And there are still many more upgrades Iran still needs to do!

Fatteh-100 are by the most part for targets between 150-250km away that require ~1000lb payloads

You still need weapon systems to take out targets under that range also if you can increase your accuracy it may be far more preferable to use lighter but more effective payloads.

@PeeD

I can't believe that Zelzal CEP was above 1 Km. We don't invest in such a useless missile in close range class of missiles. I think that our friend thinks, it's the same imported missile from Syria 40 years ago

lol

 

[VEVAK]

@PeeD

I can't believe that Zelzal CEP was above 1 Km. We don't invest in such a useless missile in close range class of missiles. I think that our friend thinks, it's the same imported missile from Syria 40 years ago

lol

1km sound like a lot yes BUT it really isn't that bad for a rocket artillery

It doesn't necessarily mean you'll hit anything of worth but you can use it to overwhelm a missile defense system at relatively low cost and a bunch of cluster warhead versions fired at a base will cause a lot of destruction + fear & panic!

And there is a reason why Iran also built the Fatteh-110 which was and is to be the main platform for Precision strikes

 

[Muhammed45]

1km sound like a lot yes BUT it really isn't that bad for a rocket artillery
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It doesn't necessarily mean you'll hit anything of worth but you can use it to overwhelm a missile defense system at relatively low cost and a bunch of cluster warhead versions fired at a base will cause a lot of destruction + fear & panic!

And there is a reason why Iran also built the Fatteh-110 which was and is to be the main platform for Precision strikes

With this newly designed rocket, precision is high

Just a simple upgrade is needed

 

[Hack-Hook]

@PeeD

I can't believe that Zelzal CEP was above 1 Km. We don't invest in such a useless missile in close range class of missiles. I think that our friend thinks, it's the same imported missile from Syria 40 years ago

lol

Well zelzal was a little shitty on that front we made a lot of them in hope to export them and the irony ,nobody was interested in them .I guess even our forces were not that much interested in the missile .
I recall once we fired several dozen of them into mk9 camp and the damage was so insignifant.

 

[Muhammed45]

Well zelzal was a little shitty on that front we made a lot of them in hope to export them and the irony ,nobody was interested in them .I guess even our forces were not that much interested in the missile .
I recall once we fired several dozen of them into mk9 camp and the damage was so insignifant.

Artesh or sepah?

 

[PeeD]

Zelzal series are spin stabilisated rockets. Ideal weapons to set industrial and foremost petrochemical area targets under threat.

1km CEP is even optimistic for 200km range rockets.
But fortunately we see the Zelzal-2/-3 arsenal being added with wind correction systems and automatic launch trajectory alignment systems.
In that way CEPs of below 200m looks to be possible. Upgrading a existing arsenal is most cost effective of course.

 

[Muhammed45]

Zelzal series are spin stabilisated rockets. Ideal weapons to set industrial and foremost petrochemical area targets under threat.

1km CEP is even optimistic for 200km range rockets.
But fortunately we see the Zelzal-2/-3 arsenal being added with wind correction systems and automatic launch trajectory alignment systems.
In that way CEPs of below 200m looks to be possible. Upgrading a existing arsenal is most cost effective of course.

Is it possible to upgrade Zelzal to Fajr standard? Or range is an issue in this?

 

[Stryker1982]

1km sound like a lot yes BUT it really isn't that bad for a rocket artillery
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It doesn't necessarily mean you'll hit anything of worth but you can use it to overwhelm a missile defense system at relatively low cost and a bunch of cluster warhead versions fired at a base will cause a lot of destruction + fear & panic!

And there is a reason why Iran also built the Fatteh-110 which was and is to be the main platform for Precision strikes

I agree, cheaper, less accurate cluster munitions, is a good way to distract and force missile defense systems to intercept while the precise missiles go to their critical targets.