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Iran DM Gen Hatami: Khorramshahr IRBM ballistic missile, guided until target, penetrate ABM حاتمی

Defense Minister Army Brigadier General Hatami: Khorramshahr IRBM ballistic missile can be guided until the "moment of destroying the target" and it can avoid and penetrate Anti-ballistic missile shield

Minister Says Iran’s New Ballistic Missile ‘Strategic Weapon’
Iran’s new homegrown ballistic missile that was unveiled on Friday can be guided through the final moments of engagement with the target, Defense Minister Brigadier General Amir Hatami said, describing it as a “strategic missile” at Iran’s disposal.
In comments on Saturday, General Hatami said that its remarkable operational range and unique features have made Khorramshahr a very agile missile.
The strategic missile can cross the enemy’s air defense zone and could be guided from the launch to the moment it hits the target, he added
http://tn.ai/1527647

 

[AmirPatriot]

Khorramshahr - A Quantum Leap In Iranian Missile Technology

Saturday, September 23, 2017



The recent Khorramshahr unveiling at the parade, the IRGC Commander Hajizadeh's statements, and the test footage have given us a raft of information and clues.

For the full analysis and blog post, please visit the link below:

http://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2017/09/khorramshahr-quantum-leap-in-iranian.html

 

[Hack-Hook]

A question ,it seems the tip of warhead is made of different materials .
Does it means that they use some sort of terminal guidance in the missile ?

 

[VEVAK]

Khorramshahr - A Quantum Leap In Iranian Missile Technology

Saturday, September 23, 2017



The recent Khorramshahr unveiling at the parade, the IRGC Commander Hajizadeh's statements, and the test footage have given us a raft of information and clues.

For the full analysis and blog post, please visit the link below:

http://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2017/09/khorramshahr-quantum-leap-in-iranian.html

Clearly the new engine also uses a different type of fuel than the standard Iranian liquid fuel missiles,
It's clearly a better design for a Silo based missile, It's Vectoring Vernier's & lack of stabilizers clearly indicate advanced flight control systems,....

But I wouldn't put this as some kind of Quantum Leap in Iranian Missile Tech! According to the U.S. Iran received 19 BM-25 missiles from North Korea almost a decade ago! Although Iran's version is clearly a better more improved version compared to the Hwasong-10 but I would say Iran has had this tech for some time!

Having the Tech is one thing building the infrastructure required to produce enough fuel(Probably the N2O4) to deploy this missile in any meaningful way is another!

And I would say that would be the main reason why Iran didn't quickly bust out with it's own version of the Hwasong-10 as soon as they got it because the fuel was different & it wasn't just about making the engines more powerful!

I personally would of liked to see Iran increase on it's solid fuel variants

 

[AmirPatriot]

According to the U.S. Iran received 19 BM-25 missiles from North Korea almost a decade

Possession =/= understanding. Saudi Arabia is a clear example of this. But the fact that we are able to produce this, fly it, improve on it, shows we have mastered the technology.

I personally would of liked to see Iran increase on it's solid fuel variants

Me too.

 

[Stryker1982]

Possession =/= understanding. Saudi Arabia is a clear example of this. But the fact that we are able to produce this, fly it, improve on it, shows we have mastered the technology.



Me too.

Sardar Deghan did mention Sejjil in is speech, when he also mentioned Khoramshahr. Hopefully we'll see some development there, because the Sejjil just totally disappeared as our only long range solid fueled missile.

 

[PeeD]

Sejil is there, a U.S institute spread that rumour that its development stopped. Nonsense.

Point is you need much less ground crew training with the Sejil. So they don't test launch it in every manouver. For the arrogant writers of that article, it was a reason to doubt the Sejil program.

 

[TheImmortal]

What do people want to see from Sejil exactly?

It is Iran's most advanced solid fuel long range ballistic missile. The use of composite material and other materials that make up the missile could mean it's more expensive than other missiles thus there could be less inventory/production and its more of a strategic missile.

Furthermore, since its Iran's most advanced solid MRBM its probably not going to be shown off a lot in public until it becomes more obsolete and something more advanced comes along (Sejil-3 or next-gen solid fuel MRBM).

 

[VEVAK]

Possession =/= understanding. Saudi Arabia is a clear example of this. But the fact that we are able to produce this, fly it, improve on it, shows we have mastered the technology.



Me too.

Yes we have and my point is that we have mastered the technology to a point that this is not really a quantum leap! Vectoring thrusters is not new for Iran it's been deployed on most Iranian SLV's at some stage or another.
Building the various part of the engine, airframe, warhead,.... These are not new tech for Iran & Iran has had the platform in it's hands & the technological capacity to reverse engineer every part except for the fuel for some time now!

The main thing here is the N2O4 oxidizer that Iran clearly has used on these engines & since Iran has had this tech for some time I really don't see it as likely that they would have worked on improving the BM-25 if they hadn't started production or had clear plans to start production of that fuel!

At Iran's current technological capability the west and it's allies more likely fear and see Iran's Space Program (specifically Iran's ability to send various Sat's into space) as much greater threat than the expansion of current Iranian conventional Ballistic Missiles because if Iran expands their long range sensor capability that would enhance Iran's strategic capability in various ways & they can be far more tactical in deploying current stockpile

And if Iran truly has started production of the N2O4 that tech would clearly go to Iran's Space program & looking at what Iran has done with the Safir Launcher

Sejil is there, a U.S institute spread that rumour that its development stopped. Nonsense.

Point is you need much less ground crew training with the Sejil. So they don't test launch it in every manouver. For the arrogant writers of that article, it was a reason to doubt the Sejil program.

1. Iran conducted numerous tests of the Sejil starting in 2007 a decade ago! So the idea that they didn't conduct enough tests on the Sejil is just BS! If they stopped test it's clearly because they have perfected it and there is no reason too!

2. Sejil doesn't require large amounts of fuel to be pumped into the missile so you don't need to keep them at bases equipped with large fuel storage capacity & you don't need to keep them in large quantities at one facility you can spread them across the country at far better hidden sites & there is no reason why Iran would ever show where those sites are located! And there is absolutely no reason why they would place them at sites that do like large BM bases Iran has publicized!

3.Main thing with the Koramshar Missile is the N2o4 Oxidizer and if true and Iran has started producing it, this will allow Iran to build far more capable SLV's' in smaller platforms which has nothing to do with whether or not Iran plans on continuing with the Sejil missile!

Clearly this is either propaganda or miss information or the writer just doesn't know much on the subject!

 

[PeeD]

@VEVAK

Agreed. Just two points:

-N2O4 is already in operation on Iranian SLVs and apparently even later Ghadr variants.

- Sejil would probably just need warhead mating before launch either that for security reasons or more elegantly use the TVC vanes as launch security measure. You are fully right that the Sejil is the BM asset that can be anywhere around the country, without the hardened mountain base doctrine applied. This makes it tactically a real added value to the arsenal.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Yes we have and my point is that we have mastered the technology to a point that this is not really a quantum leap! Vectoring thrusters is not new for Iran it's been deployed on most Iranian SLV's at some stage or another.
Building the various part of the engine, airframe, warhead,.... These are not new tech for Iran & Iran has had the platform in it's hands & the technological capacity to reverse engineer every part except for the fuel for some time now!

The main thing here is the N2O4 oxidizer that Iran clearly has used on these engines & since Iran has had this tech for some time I really don't see it as likely that they would have worked on improving the BM-25 if they hadn't started production or had clear plans to start production of that fuel!

At Iran's current technological capability the west and it's allies more likely fear and see Iran's Space Program (specifically Iran's ability to send various Sat's into space) as much greater threat than the expansion of current Iranian conventional Ballistic Missiles because if Iran expands their long range sensor capability that would enhance Iran's strategic capability in various ways & they can be far more tactical in deploying current stockpile

And if Iran truly has started production of the N2O4 that tech would clearly go to Iran's Space program & looking at what Iran has done with the Safir Launcher

Look at the whole package, there are so many advancements. The increased diameter, the far better engine, the lack of fins, the huge throw weight to 2000 km, the MIRV. All of these are massive parts of missile technology. When you consider the bulk of Iranian strategic deterrent for the past 2-3 decades has been based on scaled up scuds, yes, it is a massive leap for us.

 

[VEVAK]

@VEVAK

Agreed. Just two points:

-N2O4 is already in operation on Iranian SLVs and apparently even later Ghadr variants.

- Sejil would probably just need warhead mating before launch either that for security reasons or more elegantly use the TVC vanes as launch security measure. You are fully right that the Sejil is the BM asset that can be anywhere around the country, without the hardened mountain base doctrine applied. This makes it tactically a real added value to the arsenal.

In terms of storage it wouldn't make sense to keep 3 types of fuel & oxidizer for one missile so I would disagree that the Ghadr missiles use them on the 2nd stage so unless your talking about extremely limited usage on a PBV that wouldn't take up a lot of space....

As for Iranian SLV's yes it's quite possible due to the limited usage you can import it covertly or do limited production at a lab scale for limited usage which would have been a natural process in taking a new fuel into production but limited production at a lab scale doesn't always equal to large scale production that would be necessary for a new BM deployment

As for the Sejil if Iran was still testing them they would say after 10 years Iran still can't perfect it & if we don't test them because they have been already perfected they say Iran abandoned it! So your Damned if you do and Damned if you don't!

The Sejil Missile it's self as with all Solid Fuel BM is explosive & clearly not a BM Iran would keep next to each other in large bundles as with other Iranian BM!

Look at the whole package, there are so many advancements. The increased diameter, the far better engine, the lack of fins, the huge throw weight to 2000 km, the MIRV. All of these are massive parts of missile technology. When you consider the bulk of Iranian strategic deterrent for the past 2-3 decades has been based on scaled up scuds, yes, it is a massive leap for us.

Yes no doubt it's a massive increase in capability! But in terms of technology it's a bundle of systems and capabilities Iran has had so it's not leap in technology for Iran!
It may be a leap in military capability & clearly gives Iran the ability to hit targets at a greater range with a higher payload but technologically it's not a leap for Iran! So I respectfully disagree!

32 years ago Iran was sending people to Syria so they can learn how to launch a Scud Missile vs today where Iran is transferring it's outdated missile technology to Syria so yes the rate of development is extremely high because Iran was behind in terms of global standards

 

[AmirPatriot]

@PeeD do you think concealment of Fateh-313/Zolfaqar missiles would be better if they were covered up like with the Iskander? After all, two ruddy great missiles on the top of a vehicle aren't exactly hard to spot. Or will Iran simply use "hide-shoot-hide" tactics in its mountainous terrain?

 

[PeeD]

It's primary a climate thing. Container launched missiles are also primary for climate, secondary for faster/easier start. Iran doesn't have that climate issue.

A Iskander TEL is too large and specific to be mistaken for a ordinary civilian truck. A Fateh/Zolfaghar TEL with a cover might still be misidentified as a civilian truck.

However concealing the TEL is not the main method, not for the twin TEL. Its the hide shoot hide method, as you call it, that will be used by this off-road capable TEL.

 

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