Iran takes guards’ issue to U.N.

[Armstrong]

As I have said earlier on this forum, I don't believe in conspiracy theories that Pakistan's government is harboring them or funding them, at least now, because it would have no benefit for Pakistan, not only that, it would also harm Pakistan.

My take is that Pakistan's army or intelligence officials wither can't completely detect their activity inside Baluchestan or they are too busy fighting Taliban in other parts of Pakistan, in a way that Jaish al Adl activities is not in their priority now.

There is another conspiracy theory that some certain Arab states are recruiting and helping them. That can be true only if top government and army officials are traitors who ignore Pakistan's interests for money, hence it's also unlikely to be true.

That might make sense but you have to understand ever since the Nawaz Government came, if one can discount the sectarian overtones that some Iranians & Pakistanis alike attribute to him, his guiding principle has been an Economic Revival through better Neighborly Relations which prioritizes Afghanistan, India & Iran to be dealt with at the highest level hence why you see PM's Advisor (the de-facto Foreign Minister) Sartaj Aziz going all over these three countries to fix things - I can't imagine why despite repeated requests by the Iranians would things not get prioritized on this when the priority of fixing relations with neighbors is already there !

My own understand is that perhaps we are both going on the basis of circumstantial evidence where some circumstances point towards their presence in Pakistan & others of their presence in Iran (or not having crossed over into Pakistan) & this miscommunication has seen the two sides fixated on their respective versions of what happened !

 

[Armstrong]

@Serpentine - Just listening to the interview of Sartaj Aziz (Pakistan's De-Facto Foreign Minister) & he is saying that so far Iran has not provided us with any evidence that establishes the presence of the Terrorists on Pakistani soil & our own investigation up till this point has not yielded any evidence of them being here but we are coordinating with Iran & if evidence is provided we are even willing to conduct a joint-operation with Iran !

Its in Urdu so you probably won't understand it :

(23 minute onwards)

 

[New]

Indians just love to add fuel to the fire. They want Pakistanis & Iranis fight & make a good show for them & their best buddy Israel.
@ Topic As i said in few other threads that no one will solve this problem. Iranis maybe stupidly thinking Indians as their friends but reality is very different. Indians will stand even with a devil against Pakistan. The best option for Iran as well as Pakistan is to create a joint task force consisting of troops from both countries & this task force should be given freedom to hunt for terrorists wherever they want to in that whole region(South East Iran, South West Pakistan & Afghanistan).
What say dear brothers @Hyperion @Armstrong @DESERT FIGHTER @Serpentine @rmi5 @Islam shall be the winner

Thanks dude,
Seems sane, and please always remember not to take serious any offending Iranian post here as they are not representing the official views nor they are the public ones, the same as how we neglect Pakistani members harsh posts here.

 

[American Pakistani]

this is the revolutionary guards you keep talking about :

now pakistani army pics from google :

pakistani army - Google Search

love to see them in action

we want peace man , but if u keep giving those terrorists safe haven , then we are so sorry brother .....

lol...it is good that your leaders & majority of Iranis are not insane like you & your kind as we see on this forum. They too want peace but if you really think you can fight Pakistan then go ahead...bring it on. A nation like Pakistan cannot be tamed by these $h1tty bravado s.

And kindly stop b@rking about who hide terrorists, world knows about your kind. Look who is declared as sponsor of this menace.

Iran
Iran was added to the list on January 19, 1984. According to Country Reports on Terrorism 2010: August 18, 2011:[4]

“ Overview: Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran remained an active state sponsor of terrorism in 2011 and increased its terrorist-related activity, likely in an effort to exploit the uncertain political conditions resulting from the Arab Spring, as well as in response to perceived increasing external pressure on Tehran. Iran also continued to provide financial, material, and logistical support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. Iran was known to use the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) and terrorist insurgent groups to implement its foreign policy goals, provide cover for intelligence operations, and support terrorist and militant groups. The IRGC-QF is the regime's primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad.

State Sponsors of Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State Sponsors of Terrorism

I really apologize with good Irani members but this troll need to to be slapped & shut as he is posting his nonsense propaganda learned by Indians.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Pakistani members here bare their fangs on every occasion at afghans due to their miserable situation, war-torn and landlocked country and having 3 million afghan refugees is a matter of pride and superiority over afghans for pakistanis.....but they can not bare their fangs at iranis and can not raise their voices infront of them because,
1- Iran is militarily and economically as much powerful as pakistan (GDP of iran is higher than pakistan). Iran has oil and is not landlocked like afghanistan........iran could have made much more progress if there were no sanctions
2- iran is stable, pakistan is not
3- Iranis are thousands of years old nation, proud people who established greatest empires in the history......they were ruling elites of present day pakistan so pakistanis feel some sort of inferiority complex infront of them......
3- Iran in the modern days is proud nation with great self respect, this taking of the issue to U.N shows that they dont take shyt from any one and dont consider their guards disposable fodders.

 

[pakdefender]

We can shut down all of Iran for the next 50 years within 5 hours

 

[dawn_news]

Pakistani members here bare their fangs on every occasion at afghans due to their miserable situation, war-torn and landlocked country and having 3 million afghan refugees is a matter of pride and superiority over afghans for pakistanis.....but they can not bare their fangs at iranis and can not raise their voices infront of them because,
1- Iran is militarily and economically as much powerful as pakistan (GDP of iran is higher than pakistan). Iran has oil and is not landlocked like afghanistan........iran could have made much more progress if there were no sanctions
2- iran is stable, pakistan is not
3- Iranis are thousands of years old nation, proud people who established greatest empires in the history......they were ruling elites of present day pakistan so pakistanis feel some sort of inferiority complex infront of them......
3- Iran in the modern days is proud nation with great self respect, this taking of the issue to U.N shows that they dont take shyt from any one and dont consider their guards disposable fodders.

To much bs in one post. Iran is generations behind Pakistan military capablity even if we rule out nukes, i will give them edge in economics for time being because of huge resources. But PAK gdp is poised to overtake Iran in next decade. And with nukes its not even a contest, one thing they will never get.

Afghans/Iranis like to bark but that all they can do, Iran maybe proud nation but she will never dare enter Balochistan. Pakistan has been playing nicely with Afghan threats and now Iran, we know both are bogus. We only take India seriously who is 7 times bigger then us. For lullu nations like Afghan/Iran we just laugh off.

Iran will not like to piss of Pakistan, look at state of Afghanistan right now. ISI have ruined them becauae of their durrand line bs, we can do the same with Iran.

 

[Ostad]

 

[RazPaK]

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[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

To much bs in one post. Iran is generations behind Pakistan military capablity even if we rule out nukes, i will give them edge in economics for time being because of huge resources. But PAK gdp is poised to overtake Iran in next decade. And with nukes its not even a contest, one thing they will never get.

Afghans/Iranis like to bark but that all they can do, Iran maybe proud nation but he will never dare enter Balochistan. Pakistan has been playing nicely with Afghan threats and now Iran, we know both are bogus. We only take India seriously who is 7 times bigger then us. For lullu nations like Afghan/Iran we just laugh off.

Iran will not like to piss of Pakistan, look at state of Afghanistan right now. ISI have ruined them becauae of their durrand line bs, we can do the same with Iran.

ISI didnt ruin afghanistan, war between two super powers ruined it. Moreover afghans themeselves ruined their country. First of overthrow of daud khan by afghan communists, then their conflict with conservative rural population and then russian military intervention and subsequent american interference. Pakistan was just henchman of america.
And pakistan invested so much on taliban in the hope that durand would get recognized but even taliban showed their afghan ghairat and refused to obey pakistan...afghans hate puppets...pakistan got so disappointed that she gave up on stretagic depth. What is achievemet of ISI? supporting some petty terrorists like haqqanis.
Afghans suffered due to their internal conflicts, not because of Pakistan's strength. If Afghans were really zaleel, they could have attacked pakistan in 1965 and 1971, you should be thanking afghan nation.

 

[dawn_news]

ISI didnt ruin afghanistan, war between two super powers ruined it. Moreover afghans themeselves ruined their country. First of overthrow of daud khan by afghan communists, then their conflict with conservative rural population and then russian military intervention and subsequent american interference. Pakistan was just henchman of america.
And pakistan invested so much on taliban in the hope that durand would get recognized but even taliban showed their afghan ghairat and refused to obey pakistan...afghans hate puppets...pakistan got so disappointed that she gave up on stretagic depth. What is achievemet of ISI? supporting some petty terrorists like haqqanis.
Afghans suffered due to their internal conflicts, not because of Pakistan's strength. If Afghans were really zaleel, they could have attacked pakistan in 1965 and 1971, you should be thanking afghan nation.

Attacked Pakistan? To get beaten in oblivion yet again and risk cut their suplies for years, Afghans learned their lesson in 60's war to never mess with their baap. Even FATA people are enough for them let alone Pak army.

I don't know men, Afghans keep crying ISI ruined them. Anyway we helped USA bomb Afghanistan, they are in state that durrand line issue is just to laugh off. The only reason Pak supported Taliban is because of pashtuns, i doubt Pak will support anyone this time around. Even Pak pashtuns are fed by Afghanistan.

I will thank Afghan nation once they stop being cave men and butchring each other on ethnic lines.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Attacked Pakistan? To get beaten in oblivion yet again and risk cut their suplies for years, Afghans learned their lesson in 60's war to never mess with their baap. Even FATA people are enough for them let alone Pak army.

I don't know men, Afghans keep crying ISI ruined them. Anyway we helped USA bomb Afghanistan, they are in state that durrand line issue is just to laugh off. The only reason Pak supported Taliban is because of pashtuns, i doubt Pak will support anyone this time around. Even Pak pashtuns are fed by Afghanistan.

I will thank Afghan nation once they stop being cave men and butchring each other on ethnic lines.

Afghanistan never invaded pakistan. In 60s some tribesmen on Afghanistan side were paid by kabul to create some noise in bajaur, the small attack was repelled by FC scouts of bajaur.....it was daud khan policy to keep pashtunistan issue alive just like pakistan keeps kashmir issue alive by occasional cross firing at LOC......Pakistan could have got into a real trouble if Afghanistan had decided to launch all of its regular troops and tribal lashkars on the durand when pakistan was at its most sensitive stage during 1965 and 1971 wars....afghanistan could simply have joined hands with india and soviet union or simply allowed india to lanuch attacks on westren side of paksiatn........But afghanistan didnt and you should be thankful to them.

And you are proud of the fact that pakistan helped USA in bombing Afghanistan, shame on you for that........and we pakhtuns are not fed up from afghanistan, it is the country that we pakhtuns founded....it means land of afghans aka pakhtuns

 

[dawn_news]

Afghanistan never invaded pakistan. In 60s some tribesmen on Afghanistan side were paid by kabul to create some noise in bajaur, the small attack was repelled by FC scouts of bajaur.....it was daud khan policy to keep pashtunistan issue alive just like pakistan keeps kashmir issue alive by occasional cross firing at LOC......Pakistan could have got into a real trouble if Afghanistan had decided to launch all of its regular troops and tribal lashkars on the durand when pakistan was at its most sensitive stage during 1965 and 1971 wars....afghanistan could simply have joined hands with india and soviet union or simply allowed india to lanuch attacks on westren side of paksiatn........But afghanistan didnt and you should be thankful to them.

And you are proud of the fact that pakistan helped USA in bombing Afghanistan, shame on you for that........and we pakhtuns are not fed up from afghanistan, it is the country that we pakhtuns founded....it means land of afghans aka pakhtuns

Again wet dreams of Afghans, they were in no position to attack Pakistan. For them even FATA people are enough. Im not proud of but just responded the same way you did.

Afghanistan is land of pashtuns, tajiks, hazaraz, uzbeks etc. Pashtuns make 40% of population and declining. Its about time they stop butchering each other on ethnic lines. And Pakistani pashtuns are indeed fed up by Afghans, there will be no support for Taliban this time around in Afghanistan.

Pakistan should only have economic relations with Afghans and not helping Taliban take over Kabul yet again.

 

[Pakistani sipahi]

The Iranians will surely loose a good neighbor and also the case in UN

 

[haman10]

Thanks dude,
Seems sane, and please always remember not to take serious any offending Iranian post here as they are not representing the official views nor they are the public ones, the same as how we neglect Pakistani members harsh posts here.

look at the post bellow , by the same person you quoted . these people are a bunch of terrorist supporters , thats all .

lol...it is good that your leaders & majority of Iranis are not insane like you & your kind as we see on this forum. They too want peace but if you really think you can fight Pakistan then go ahead...bring it on. A nation like Pakistan cannot be tamed by these $h1tty bravado s.

And kindly stop b@rking about who hide terrorists, world knows about your kind. Look who is declared as sponsor of this menace.



State Sponsors of Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State Sponsors of Terrorism

I really apologize with good Irani members but this troll need to to be slapped & shut as he is posting his nonsense propaganda learned by Indians.

majority of Iranis are not insane like you & your kind as we see on this forum

me and my kind in this forum are the most educated people you have ever seen in your non-worthy life
from @Ostad to @rmi5 and @S00R3NA , @Serpentine @mohsen ,@Islam shall be the winner , ...........

so please dont talk about sanity you maybe dont understand , but if iranian members are removed , this forum doesnt worth shyt . put it any category you want from truth being told to persian supermacy as saudi members call it .....

And kindly stop b@rking about who hide terrorists, world knows about your kind. Look who is declared as sponsor of this menace
State Sponsors of Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State Sponsors of Terrorism

Pakistan and state sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.cfr.org/pakistan/pakistans-new-generation-terrorists/p15422?cid=rss-asia-pakistan's_new_generation_of_t-100710

Pakistan warned it could be declared a 'terrorist state': US says Islamabad must end its support for Kashmiri militants Pakistan warned it could be declared a 'terrorist state' - World - News - The Independent

Should the U.S. Deem Pakistan a State Sponsor of Terrorism? | TIME.com

In 2009, Pakistani President Asif Zardari admitted at a conference in Islamabad that Pakistan had, in the past created terrorist groups as a tool for its geostrategic agenda.[1]Pakistan had long been accused by neighbour India, and western nations like the United States,[2][3] and the United Kingdom[4] of its involvement in terrorist activities in India and Afghanistan.[5][6] Pakistan's tribal region along the border of Afghanistan has been claimed to be a "haven for terrorists" by western media and the United States Defense Secretary.[7][8][by whom?] According to an analysis published by the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings Institution in 2008, Pakistan was "perhaps the world’s most active sponsor of terrorist groups... aiding groups that pose a direct threat to the United States."[9]Daniel Byman, an author, also writes that, "Pakistan is probably today's most active sponsor of terrorism".[10]

and how dare you accuse iran of sponsoring terrorism while we both know that from terrorism they mean hezbollah and hamas ?

what a pitiful person you are .......

what a pathetic bunch .......

I really apologize with good Irani members but this troll need to to be slapped & shut as he is posting his nonsense propaganda learned by Indians.

Dont you live in US ? how come my English is better than you ? isnt that some sort of incompetency ?

and also why do you think i'm a troll ? did i insult you or any pakistani member ? did i insult pakistan ?

truth hurts your butt doesnt it ?