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Pakistan is like some kind of lawless Congo republic that is full of roaming bands of armed rebels and cross-border terrorists causing problems for all of the countries unfortunate enough to be neighbouring them.

From a Pakistani newspaper today:

Jihadis bringing Pakistan in conflict with neighbours
Amir Mir
Monday, March 31, 2014

ISLAMABAD: The rising incidents of cross-border terrorism by some Pakistan-based militant groups not only in Afghanistan and India but also in Iran and China, are increasingly bringing Islamabad into conflict with most of its neighbouring states.

Pakistan’s Tribal Areas are being blamed for harbouring non-state actors by almost all its neighbours, with Delhi, Kabul, Tehran and Beijing expressing concern about the links between global terrorism and sanctuaries located in the lawless regions of the Fata. Pakistan always condemns these acts of terrorism as a matter of policy, saying they are being committed by non-state actors who are also targeting the state of Pakistan. However, the fact remains that the militants groups which are allegedly involved in cross-border terrorism were actually created and nurtured by the Pakistani and the American intelligence establishments to fight out the Soviet occupation forces. The dilemma is that these elements are not only targeting Pakistan’s neighbouring states today but also Pakistan. In short, the monsters created by the CIA and the ISI have turned against their creators.

What is alarming is that these jihadis see no end to their anarchist agenda and have stepped up their efforts to bury Pakistan in conflict with its immediate neighbours. The latest escalation in diplomatic hostilities between Iran and Pakistan was caused by the abduction of five Iranian border guards from Iran’s Sistan Balochistan region, allegedly by a Pakistan-based Sunni militant group called Jaishul Adl or the Army of Justice. Tehran has alleged that the guards had been taken to Pakistan and are being held in the Balochistan province, amid media reports that one of them has already been shot dead. Another militant group allegedly operating from Balochistan which had carried out a number of lethal suicide bombings in Iran and killed dozens of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the past, is Jundallah.

Expressing indignation at Pakistan for its failure to curb these incidents, Iranian Interior Minister Abdolreza Rahmani-Fazli went to the extent of threatening to send the Iranian troops into Pakistan to secure the guards’ release. Following reports that one of the guards has been killed, Iran has closed its borders with Pakistan and all kinds of trade between the two countries will remain suspended for next two weeks. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani telephoned Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and demanded serious and swift action to secure the release of the abducted guards. Although Nawaz Sharif said the issue was of utmost importance to his government, the two neighbours appear to be on a collision course that will leave bilateral ties severely strained, courtesy the jihadi elements which are misusing the Pakistani soil.

The other neighbour to complain about terrorists being given sanctuary on Pakistani soil is China which is disturbed about the activities of the Chinese Muslim rebels who want the creation of an independent Islamic state in China, and are allegedly being trained in Pakistani tribal areas and then despatched to Xinjiang province. In July 2012, Beijing publicly claimed for the first time in recent years that those responsible for two bomb blasts in the Kashgar city of the Xinjiang Province in July 2011, which killed 18 people, had been trained in the East Turkistani Islamic Movement’s camps being run by the Chinese Muslim separatists in Waziristan. The Chinese claim was described in diplomatic circles as a clear sign of the growing impatience of Beijing with Islamabad’s failure to control the radical groups operating within its borders.

The Pak-China tensions rose further following the killing of 15 Chinese in a terrorist attack in the Xinjiang region in February, followed by another ugly episode in March when 30 more Chinese people were killed in an incident of mass stabbing at a train station, allegedly carried out by the Chinese Muslim rebels. But despite repeated assurances to Beijing, the Pakistan authorities have simply failed to uproot the jihadi infrastructure of the Chinese rebels from the Waziristan region. In a rare interview, the Waziristan based leader of the Chinese rebels, Abdullah Mansour, has said it was his holy duty to keep fighting against the Chinese.

For its part, Afghanistan blames Pakistan for doing little to crack down on the Taliban and al-Qaeda militants who control a considerable parts of the Pak-Afghan border region especially Waziristan. Despite the deployment of over 80,000 Pakistani troops along the Pak-Afghan border to counter al-Qaeda and Taliban militancy, the situation is far from stable in the trouble-stricken tribal region, which is crucial not only to Islamabad, but also to Kabul, Washington and Delhi. Afghanistan thus keeps accusing Pakistan of backing the North Waziristan-based Haqqani militant network as well as the Afghan Taliban to advance its so-called geo-strategic agenda in the region.

It was only last week that Afghanistan had accused Pakistan’s intelligence agency of staging a recent attack on a five-star hotel in Kabul in which nine people including foreigners were shot dead by militants. Afghanistan usually speaks of unnamed foreign powers when it wants to hint at a suspected Pakistani role in an incident, but the statement by Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security pointed its finger directly at Islamabad for the most recent attack. But the Pakistani foreign ministry rejected any responsibility for the gunmen who managed to smuggle pistols past the Serena hotel’s heavy security cordon in Kabul on March 28.

The involvement of Pakistan’s non-state actors in terrorist activities across the border in Afghanistan have indirectly affected its relations with the US, which has failed to nip the evil of al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban in the bud even a decade after the war against terror was launched. Both Afghanistan and the United States, which is withdrawing most of its troops from the country by the end of the year, have long criticised Pakistan for not doing enough to crack down on militants holed up in the mountains straddling the Pak-Afghan order.

As far as the Indo-Pak ties are concerned, the major bone of contention which has also affected the tempo of their composite dialogue, remains the slow-moving trial of the Mumbai attackers who are being tried by an anti terrorism court in Pakistan. While Ajmal Kasab’s trial took four years to conclude and culminated in his hanging on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the 26/11 episode, the trial of the Lashkar-e-Toiba’s chief operational commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and his accomplices is progressing at a snail’s pace in Pakistan and is not expected to conclude in the near future. The VIP treatment being extended to Lakhvi by the Pakistan establishment can be gauged from the fact that Lakhvi was able to father a child in 2010 despite being behind bars at the high-security Adiala jail in Rawalpindi since his arrest in December 2008.

One is constrained to point out the pertinent fact that despite becoming an ally of the United States in the war against terror a decade ago, Pakistan hasn’t done anything concrete to dismantle the sprawling infrastructure of jihad from its soil. Although over 5,000 security force personnel and over 45,000 civilians have lost their lives in the war against terror in Pakistan, confusion persists on how to tackle the growing threat of terrorism. Many analysts believe that the root cause of Pakistan becoming the centre of gravity of global terrorism lies in the fact that the establishment had been deeply embroiled with many of the jihadi proxies and used to treat them as the civilian face of the Army.

The all-powerful establishment which has ruled Pakistan for more than half of its life and which continues to dictate the foreign policy to the government is still accused by the international community of pursuing a policy of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds, mainly because of the fact that it is still not inclined to develop a clear-cut policy against terrorism which is the need of the hour.
 
Afghans were really zaleel, they could have attacked pakistan in 1965

afghans are zaleel, they did attack Pakistan in 66 but the afghan adventure against Pakistan became an epic fail

this is actually an afghan trait , they are oppertunists and will try to make the best of the prevaling situation , Pakistan was engaged with india in 65 so afghans thought it was a good time to attack Pakistan , they did just that but failed to make any gains
 
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afghans are zaleel, they did attack Pakistan in 66 but the afghan adventure against Pakistan became an epic fail

this is actually an afghan trait , they are oppertunists and will try to make the best of the prevaling situation , Pakistan was engaged with india in 65 so afghans thought it was a good time to attack Pakistan , they did just that but failed to make any gains
Source for your claim?
At critical situation of 1971, when pakistan was broken into two pieces and morale of entire nation was down, when balochs also took up arms and 90 thousands faujis were captives of India....Afghans had the golden oppurtunity to launch war at west pakistan and stir up pashtun rebellion but they didnt even though they were requested to do so....call it their stupidity or goodness but you should be eternally thankful to them.
In 1965 they also had the oppurtunity to divide the attention and forces of pakistani faujis by waging war at durand, they didnt even though some voices were asking them to do so, you and your family should be eternally thankful to afghans and pashtuns of tribal areas for that.
Afghanistan could simply have invited india to launch its attacks from its soil on pakistan westren front but they didnt....there was every reason for soviet union to throw its weight behind india and afghanistan against pakistan, a servant of america...
So instead of cursing the afghans, remember the time when your sorry as$es were saved by ahmad shah abdali. If he had not crushed marahatas, you people could have been suppressed subjects of hindu dominated hindostan or simply reverts to your old religion hinduism....you dont need to bow down to us like you people do infront of pirs, just be little thankful.
 
Source for your claim?
At critical situation of 1971, when pakistan was broken into two pieces and morale of entire nation was down, when balochs also took up arms and 90 thousands faujis were captives of India....Afghans had the golden oppurtunity to launch war at west pakistan and stir up pashtun rebellion but they didnt even though they were requested to do so....call it their stupidity or goodness but you should be eternally thankful to them.
In 1965 they also had the oppurtunity to divide the attention and forces of pakistani faujis by waging war at durand, they didnt even though some voices were asking them to do so, you and your family should be eternally thankful to afghans and pashtuns of tribal areas for that.
Afghanistan could simply have invited india to launch its attacks from its soil on pakistan westren front but they didnt....there was every reason for soviet union to throw its weight behind india and afghanistan against pakistan, a servant of america...
So instead of cursing the afghans, remember the time when your sorry as$es were saved by ahmad shah abdali. If he had not crushed marahatas, you people could have been suppressed subjects of hindu dominated hindostan or simply reverts to your old religion hinduism....you dont need to bow down to us like you people do infront of pirs, just be little thankful.


all through the 60s , the government of Afghanistan had allied itself with india , same as now and was busy stiring trouble on Pakistan's western border
I'll just post a reference
 
Here is an interesting telegram from October of 1965

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The Telegram reads

"Pashtunistan" propaganda over Kabul Radio continued much as before during the month leading up to the outbreak of indo-pakistan hostilities , Less vitriolic broadcasts reported fewer alleged acts of violence but more pro-pashtunistan meetings within Pakistan territory. One interesting angle was the increasing interest taken ay all India Radio in Kabul Radio Broadcasts.

As can be made out from the highlighted part that Afghanistan was sponsoring violence in Pakistan at a time when India and Pakistan were going to war and not surprisingly India and Afghanistan had allied themselves against Pakistan

Also note that while Pakistan was making gestures of peace and genorisity towards afghsnitan ( one was donation of cholera vaccinations to afghanistan when afghans were craping themselves to death ) , afghanistan still was continuing with its propaganda

From March 1973

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The Telegram reads:

Subject : Afghan and Indian Propaganda Broadcasts
1. Opposition Leader Shaukat Hayat, in talk with charge early this week, expressed concern over the tone of current radio Kabul and all India radio broadcasts beamed at Pakistan. Since the onset of the latest domestic crisis between Bhutto government and opposition parties, according to Shaukat , Radio Kabul especially has been beaming inflammatory propaganda ( presumably in pashtu ) at the pathan population of NWFP. All India radio has also been broadcasting propaganda material drawing comparison between the current situation and 1971 east Pakistan civil war , shaukat said

So this is in 1973 , soon after 1971 , the afghans and indian were busy doing propganda together and they were also supporting terrorist activity inside Pakistan
 
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Source for your claim?
At critical situation of 1971, when pakistan was broken into two pieces and morale of entire nation was down, when balochs also took up arms and 90 thousands faujis were captives of India....Afghans had the golden oppurtunity to launch war at west pakistan and stir up pashtun rebellion but they didnt even though they were requested to do so....call it their stupidity or goodness but you should be eternally thankful to them.
In 1965 they also had the oppurtunity to divide the attention and forces of pakistani faujis by waging war at durand, they didnt even though some voices were asking them to do so, you and your family should be eternally thankful to afghans and pashtuns of tribal areas for that.
Afghanistan could simply have invited india to launch its attacks from its soil on pakistan westren front but they didnt....there was every reason for soviet union to throw its weight behind india and afghanistan against pakistan, a servant of america...
So instead of cursing the afghans, remember the time when your sorry as$es were saved by ahmad shah abdali. If he had not crushed marahatas, you people could have been suppressed subjects of hindu dominated hindostan or simply reverts to your old religion hinduism....you dont need to bow down to us like you people do infront of pirs, just be little thankful.

you idiot you should thank us for the many kind gestures that we have extended to you , from giving you food clothing and shelter to saving you from crapping yourself to death

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Telegram reads:

Pakistan responded favourably twice during august to Critical Afghan needs. Afghnistan's cholera epidemic led to a Pakistan gift of cholera vaccines and a temporary pertoleum shortage brought on by the closure of the afghan-soviet border was met by a pledge by Pakistan to provide 10 thousand tons.

I think it is best that you people should be left to die in your own crap
 
look at the post bellow , by the same person you quoted . these people are a bunch of terrorist supporters , thats all .

Talk about yourself. World is talking about your terrorism in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Parts of Central Asia, Iraq, etc. Your country has already been declared as state that sponsor terrorism.

me and my kind in this forum are the most educated people you have ever seen in your non-worthy life
from @Ostad to @rmi5 and @S00R3NA , @Serpentine @mohsen ,@Islam shall be the winner , ...........

lso please dont talk about sanity you maybe dont understand , but if iranian members are removed , this forum doesnt worth shyt . put it any category you want from truth being told to persian supermacy as saudi members call it .....

lololol...what a foolish thinking...dude no one is stopping you...you can get lost if you want.:omghaha::wave:

Look at this clown who is so educated that he can't even differentiate between "sane" & "educated":lol::lol:

Take your "whatever" "supremacy" & sh0v3 it where the sun don't shine. If you really believe you can "do" "something" with your stone era rusty war toys then go ahead & bring it on. You really think you can take on a country like Pakistan?:lol:

and how dare you accuse iran of sponsoring terrorism while we both know that from terrorism they mean hezbollah and hamas ?

what a pitiful person you are .......

what a pathetic bunch .......

I had posted US Homeland Security website which is up to date & provides the list of states that sponsor terrorism. So stop posting cheap wiki sources that can be edited by any tom dick & harry. Kindly post the official websites of UK, Europe, US, UN, etc that shows that they have declared Pakistan as such. As for countries like India & Afghanistan no one gives a flyin fcuk...even if a bird dies there, they point fingers towards Pakistan.

And i don't care what they mean by that. All i care is if you jump up & down reading Indian lines & defaming my motherland:nono: you will get befitting reply.:sniper: So kindly stop acting like little arm chair general.

Dont you live in US ? how come my English is better than you ? isnt that some sort of incompetency ? :lol:

Yes i know your English is more advanced than my English professor who is a PhD.:rofl:

Following is the proof.:woot:

so please dont talk about sanity you maybe dont understand , but if iranian members are removed , this forum doesnt worth shyt . put it any category you want from truth being told to persian supermacy as saudi members call it .....

You know what...i don't give a fcuk what you think - i simply don't.

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Long Live Pakistan:smitten::pakistan:

Sarzameen e Pakistan Zindabad o Paendabad.:smitten::pakistan:

FCUK THE ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN.:sniper::guns:
 
Pakistani members here bare their fangs on every occasion at afghans due to their miserable situation, war-torn and landlocked country and having 3 million afghan refugees is a matter of pride and superiority over afghans for pakistanis.....but they can not bare their fangs at iranis and can not raise their voices infront of them because,
1- Iran is militarily and economically as much powerful as pakistan (GDP of iran is higher than pakistan). Iran has oil and is not landlocked like afghanistan........iran could have made much more progress if there were no sanctions
2- iran is stable, pakistan is not
3- Iranis are thousands of years old nation, proud people who established greatest empires in the history......they were ruling elites of present day pakistan so pakistanis feel some sort of inferiority complex infront of them......
3- Iran in the modern days is proud nation with great self respect, this taking of the issue to U.N shows that they dont take shyt from any one and dont consider their guards disposable fodders.

Pakistan does not wanna hate any country especially Afghanistan & Iran which Pakistan has always consider as brothers. Afghanistan has provide reasons to hate them. Since 1947 they are against the existence of Pakistan yet Pakistan open it's doors when Soviet Union crushed their country. Most are innocent but many ungrateful then act as snakes & start talking about breaking Pakistan, the same country that sheltered them & provide them with jobs, foods, etc when their country was bombed day & night by Soviet bombers. They will be hanged & executed publicly if they try this nonsense in Iran.

As for your 3 points they are simply nonsense. Iran maybe little stronger in economy(thanks to their oil wells) but they are no where near Pakistan in military. The land of Pakistan also have more than 7500 years of history & earliest human civilization. And yes i agree they don't consider their soldiers as disposable fodders unlike Pakistanis like you.
 
So this..

Iran lodged no complaint in UN against Pakistan: FO


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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's Foreign Office spokesperson Tasnim Aslam Monday said that Iran did not lodge any complaint against Pakistan in the United Nations.

Tasnim Aslam clarifying media reports relating to Iranian guards’ abduction said that Iran in a letter to the United Nations stated the border guards were abducted from Pak-Iran border

The FO spokeperson added that Iran had not put the responsibility of the guards’ abduction on Pakistan.

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READ: Iran Provides No Evidence

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Iran claims five border guards were abducted by militants and brought to Pakistan and one from the group has been executed.


Iran lodged no complaint in UN against Pakistan: FO | PAKISTAN - geo.tv

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So either the Iranians lied, or the hindu newspaper did.
 
you idiot you should thank us for the many kind gestures that we have extended to you , from giving you food clothing and shelter to saving you from crapping yourself to death

spengler21oct1965e.jpg


Telegram reads:

Pakistan responded favourably twice during august to Critical Afghan needs. Afghnistan's cholera epidemic led to a Pakistan gift of cholera vaccines and a temporary pertoleum shortage brought on by the closure of the afghan-soviet border was met by a pledge by Pakistan to provide 10 thousand tons.

I think it is best that you people should be left to die in your own crap

@Pak-one is Pakistani.

Anyway thanks for that, so zaleel Afghans did indeed tried their best to take advantage of Indo-Pak war contrary to @Pak-one propaganda. Nice to know that, it just proves that even in worst of times we can take care of lulu nations like Iran and Afghanistan.
 
@Pak-one is Pakistani.

Anyway thanks for that, so zaleel Afghans did indeed tried their best to take advantage of Indo-Pak war contrary to @Pak-one propaganda. Nice to know that, it just proves that even in worst of times we can take care of lulu nations like Iran and Afghanistan.
He still didnt prove that Afghanistan invaded Pakistan in 1965 and 1971.....as for as radio broadcasts from kabul are concerned, they went on from 1947 to 1977......did i say any where that afghans gave up on pashtunsiatn in 60s and 70s?
 
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