Cops shut down dance party in Lahore after cleric's threat

[El Sidd]

Well, it was probably because of the insane secular vs islamist debate going on. And then when I read the Objectives Resolution, again and again to study, I realized that the clause of "enabling Muslims to fashion their lives according to Sharia" comes up a lot when we talk about the intended nature of Pakistan, and the meaning of this clause is often misunderstood, for it isn't a synonym for "imposing it on everyone". There's a difference between enabling and forcing. THAT is the thin line.
In short, it was Objectives Resolution that made me aware of the fact.

So basically the usual talk about a new Constitution is not just hearsay.

We are due one to be honest.

 

[Vazir]

So basically the usual talk about a new Constitution is not just hearsay.

We are due one to be honest.

Finally! Someone who gets me!

 

[El Sidd]

Finally! Someone who gets me!

I get the vibe so we must be on the same frequency but that depends on how you answer the next question.

Does objective resolution of Dominion of Pakistan stays the base for it?

 

[Vazir]

I get the vibe so we must be on the same frequency but that depends on how you answer the next question.

Does objective resolution of Dominion of Pakistan stays the base for it?

Yes, definitely. Provided that it's defined the way it's supposed to, I don't see a problem with that.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes, definitely. Provided that it's defined the way it's supposed to, I don't see a problem with that.

That's for the People to decide what defines its meaning. Democratically?

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Sunni Tehrik Lahore President Maulana Mujahid Abdul Rasool threatened police to either stop a party at Sozo Water Park immediately or “face the music”, officials confirmed.

So instead of making a FIR against possible drug use or loud noise, which is legal, he made a threat. "face the music" could mean anything, but in this case sounds like a threat of violence.

Subsequently, the police and district administration ordered organisers to pack up and leave the venue right away, despite the fact that organisers obtained the approval of the deputy commissioner.

A FIR should be made against Sunni Tehrik Lahore President Maulana Mujahid Abdul Rasool, for threatening police and citizens, and disrupting a legal party organisation.

 

[Vazir]

That's for the People to decide what defines its meaning. Democratically?

With all due respect, the public opinion system in Pakistan is in ruins. They can't form a consensus on the meaning, and the system is so broken that it will create a MASSIVE break among the people. And the Objectives Resolution was intended to act as a force to unite, not divide.
It should be defined by people who actually know how law works, how a system on constitution works, and above all, those without any political bias who can differentiate between "enabling" and "enforcing", etc.

 

[El Sidd]

With all due respect, the public opinion system in Pakistan is in ruins. They can't form a consensus on the meaning, and the system is so broken that it will create a MASSIVE break among the people. And the Objectives Resolution was intended to act as a force to unite, not divide.
It should be defined by people who actually know how law works, how a system on constitution works, and above all, those without any political bias who can differentiate between "enabling" and "enforcing", etc.

And how is this different than a theocrac

 

[Vazir]

And how is this different than a theocrac

A theocracy demands that the country be ruled by religious leaders. I don't want the religious leaders to define the Resolution. If we're being direct, I want a team of technocrats well versed in law (subject) and having a sense of defining simple sentences into vast detail (since that is regularly employed by lawyers and judges, it shouldn't be a problem).

 

[El Sidd]

A theocracy demands that the country be ruled by religious leaders. I don't want the religious leaders to define the Resolution. If we're being direct, I want a team of technocrats well versed in law (subject) and having a sense of defining simple sentences into vast detail (since that is regularly employed by lawyers and judges, it shouldn't be a problem).

We have gone through this process before as well. Basically it would mean a refresh back to 1973 and 1981 won't let that happen without revolution which is insurgency to cut it short.

Thus we are back to square one. So basically we can be Constitutionalists.

Probably the right time for that now

 

[Vazir]

We have gone through this process before as well. Basically it would mean a refresh back to 1973 and 1981 won't let that happen without revolution which is insurgency to cut it short.

Thus we are back to square one. So basically we can be Constitutionalists.

Probably the right time for that now

The constitution of 1973 didn't really base itself well on the Resolution. It had major issues when it comes to fundamental rights, freedom of speech, but most notably the massive role of government in defining religions. It formed a complex situation. Plus Bhutto, being a lawyer himself, participated in its creation, which created a bias. And don't get me started on the restrictions that were formed on how much this constitution can be reformed because of Article 6. And the sheer difficulty of amending the constitution because of the conditions on passing of amendment. The system of government it presented was some khichri of Parliamentary and Presidential system, which led to the insane political structure we have right now. I do know a lot about '81 so it would be unfair to the argument for me to debate on it.

But, hell, not much we can do. Who the f*ck would listen to us insects, since people like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari have risen so much, taking the people's minds to clouds with them.

 

[Divergent]

Oh no ..... Missy, please do chime in now that you've dipped in ...

(Disclaimer: this is in a light hearted jovial tone so please do not take it seriously and snap)

*peace offering is still there btw*

Accepted

 

[Spring Onion]

I appreciate the way you've responded and help me understand the situation.

I think you still did not get what I was trying to explain to you.

Let me rephrase. I am in no way arguing this incident on basis of religion. I am debating the possibility of violation of any stated law or constitutional provision on basis of which this could have been stopped.

What if the organisation strictly forbade consumption and usage of illegal substances, the environment was just to have fun and enjoy yourself as it would be for any concert.

Drugs and illegal substances are openly used in Pakistan nobody arrests you until and unless some cop/s want to mint money from you or someone reports you.
Usually concerts take place peacefully and uninterrupted in places like even KPK and Balochistan. So I doubt if it was a concert.

Do extremists still hold authority to prevent events like this taking hold? Is this not unfair on those civilians who are of different school of thought and being it private, tickets which are sold and not being open access only elusive to those who wish to attend?

Extremists stopping any event be it even a religious or a non religious, is UNFAIR. It is not the jurisdiction of extremists or for that matter even religious organisations to stop anything like that BUT LAW.

Here the case is that religious figure reported the event to Police and the administration stops it.

Now what is reason and logic well an investigation could explain and find out.

 

[El Sidd]

The constitution of 1973 didn't really base itself well on the Resolution. It had major issues when it comes to fundamental rights, freedom of speech, but most notably the massive role of government in defining religions. It formed a complex situation. Plus Bhutto, being a lawyer himself, participated in its creation, which created a bias. And don't get me started on the restrictions that were formed on how much this constitution can be reformed because of Article 6. And the sheer difficulty of amending the constitution because of the conditions on passing of amendment. The system of government it presented was some khichri of Parliamentary and Presidential system, which led to the insane political structure we have right now. I do know a lot about '81 so it would be unfair to the argument for me to debate on it.

But, hell, not much we can do. Who the f*ck would listen to us insects, since people like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari have risen so much, taking the people's minds to clouds with them.

Nawaz Sharif has a free advice from me anyday he wants. He can get away with murder if he just decides to be himself. he had that appeal about him in the public eye.

The parliament will end up deciding the presidential question sooner rather later. But that is a waiting game.

But as of now the khichri still may end up being something artsy.

There are no shortcuts in a nation's lifespan. My concern is our neighbours to the east have some serious issues with us. And unless it wasn't for a miracle we have survived such log.

The spiritual behind the creation of Pakistan just can't be understated enough.

 

[SecularNationalist]

You are wrong, my friend.

Quaid-e-Azam stood for following ideals:

1. UNITY
2. FAITH
3. DISCIPLINE

FAITH motivated him to seek establishment of Pakistan:

"Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us."

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Much of the WEST is sinking into the abyss of idiocracy and it will loose its power in the future.

Faith means having faith in your country and in yourself.

hahahahahahahahahaha. so ypu are a Pakistani??????
@Zibago @waz @El Sidd

Yea that,s what happen in this country when someone points out the mistakes he/she is not a pakistani or a traitor.

Neither of the above stated countries are secular by Constitution says my maddrasa.
Do you claim otherwise?

dude seriously is there any sense arguing with you?
you are saying UK,USA etc are not secular by Constitution? @haviZsultan man this post made my day.
Just like i said before please ask your molvi to let you do research of outside world.Convince him this is not a act of kuffur lol