Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[JamD]

Yes you are right. Grifo-7 is a smaller radar. But how much is the tracking range variance? PGs are very potent knife fighters with decent airframe life on them.

I don't know numbers but I would guess the M can track approximately twice as far as the 7 (total guess). Since the SD10 is a BVR weapon, tracking range matters, I doubt the 7 can utilize any decent BVR so it is not worth the effort.

 

[Gripen9]

I don't know numbers but I would guess the M can track approximately twice as far as the 7 (total guess). Since the SD10 is a BVR weapon, tracking range matters, I doubt the 7 can utilize any decent BVR so it is not worth the effort.

Grifo -M vs Grifo-7M2 (on PG) tracking range 80 nm vs 45ish nm. Like you said around half.

 

[JamD]

Grifo -M vs Grifo-7M2 (on PG) tracking range 80 nm vs 45ish nm. Like you said around half.

Wow I guess good hahaha. Where'd you get those numbers?

 

[Raider 21]

Valid points. I wasn't expecting this if this is indeed true.

It MIGHT be an attempt to utilize JF-17 stocks of SD-10s since they are most likely to switch over to PL-15s. It might just be Mirages carrying SD-10s and firing them in active mode to be a nuisance to the enemy. That too has limited value in my opinion so I don't know.


I have no idea I just made a pretty picture on paint.

Likely getting all remainder fighter assets to be BVR capable

 

[MIRauf]

Grifo -M vs Grifo-7M2 (on PG) tracking range 80 nm vs 45ish nm. Like you said around half.

That is very nice for a PD radar tucked inside M-III small nose cone, one would have expected it to be about half of the quoted range.

 

[Gripen9]

Wow I guess good hahaha. Where'd you get those numbers?

Grifo radar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes it is wikipedia, but I got corroborating nod from a "source".

Look up Grifo-Mk-II (installed on PG)
G-M3/5

 

[Hassan78610]

Well no expert & mostly a reader . But just got a scenario in mind so would like to share.

May be j10cs can take the role of strike & as F7-pgs make their way out, Mirages can act as interceptors, which can carry bvrs. They do have speed & having even a single bvr can prove vital.

 

[GriffinsRule]

@SQ8 @JamD @HRK @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Question on the mechanics of adding wirings for underwing hard points to be able to carry smart/guided munitions and adding hard point under the intake for a EW pod. How feasible would that be as a pilot program for Kamra to undertake, given it's been rebuilding Mirages for decades now.

 

[HRK]

@SQ8 @JamD @HRK @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Question on the mechanics of adding wirings for underwing hard points to be able to carry smart/guided munitions and adding hard point under the intake for a EW pod. How feasible would that be as a pilot program for Kamra to undertake, given it's been rebuilding Mirages for decades now.

As per quoted post of @PanzerKiel it is a long process which might take additional financial resources and time as well in testing of new wirings otherwise we already have harness factory which look after the harness of all the aircrafts in use of PAF, so IMHO if the PAF boses decide than on technical grounds it should not be considered something unattainable.

Centre pylon ha been used since the already present wiring for smart bombs can be used for this purpose as well. Changing the wiring through the wings is a long process (i once saw a Mirage fully disassembled, saw the wiring, and got the point)

 

[GriffinsRule]

As per quoted post of @PanzerKiel it is a long process which might take additional financial resources and time as well in testing of new wirings otherwise we already have harness factory which look after the harness of all the aircrafts in use of PAF, so IMHO if the PAF boses decide than on technical grounds it should not be considered something unattainable.

So could've been done during overhauls

 

[HRK]

So could've been done during overhauls

can't say with surety but I think there should not be a problem of such magnitude which could prevent the rewiring of hardpoints at wings.

 

[SQ8]

@SQ8 @JamD @HRK @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Question on the mechanics of adding wirings for underwing hard points to be able to carry smart/guided munitions and adding hard point under the intake for a EW pod. How feasible would that be as a pilot program for Kamra to undertake, given it's been rebuilding Mirages for decades now.

Will have to cut through metal to get there and then there will be more maths required if you make even a 1/4 drill in the structure of the aircraft. There are provisions of wiring within the aircraft itself but then you need to make sure it fits within the already tight confines of the existing wiring and has enough protection so it doesn’t get chaffed during G’s . So it is doable but the effort required will have to weighed as being cost effective or not. Finally, it isn’t like the Mirage wont need the fuel tanks so where do you put them. The mirage is 5 hardpoints with some wiring - so not many places to use.

 

[untitled]

There are provisions of wiring within the aircraft itself but then you need to make sure it fits within the already tight confines of the existing wiring and has enough protection so it doesn’t get chaffed during G’s

Aren't there any wireless options which can transmit radar data to the pylon or missile itself?

 

[araz]

@SQ8 @JamD @HRK @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Question on the mechanics of adding wirings for underwing hard points to be able to carry smart/guided munitions and adding hard point under the intake for a EW pod. How feasible would that be as a pilot program for Kamra to undertake, given it's been rebuilding Mirages for decades now.

I would add to this and ask the outer pylons are already wired for AAMs. How difficult would be wiring the inner pylons?
A

 

[SQ8]

Aren't there any wireless options which can transmit radar data to the pylon or missile itself?

None that would be reliable/available - and you need to provide more power to everything as well - there are forces that are exerted on all these options which aren’t catered to by commerical-off-the-shelf solutions.