Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[The Accountant]

We are in desperate need of used and upgraded mirage 2k atleast 3 to 4 sqdn to overcome the gap for next 1 decade . Already got related infrastructure and experience.

M2K and mirrages are totally different planes and share nothing but the name ...

Inducting them will be nothing more than stupidity even if they are free as cost of induction integration and training will surpass the benefits we will have for the remaining useful life which is no more than 10 years ...

 

[denel]

M2K and mirrages are totally different planes and share nothing but the name ...

Inducting them will be nothing more than stupidity even if they are free as cost of induction integration and training will surpass the benefits we will have for the remaining useful life which is no more than 10 years ...

200% agreed. everything is different and wholescale re-training and facilities upgrade/parts supply etc will need to be sought; unlike M3/5 where there was a large scale inventory from various countries being discarded; M2K is not in same boat.

 

[MastanKhan]

200% agreed. everything is different and wholescale re-training and facilities upgrade/parts supply etc will need to be sought; unlike M3/5 where there was a large scale inventory from various countries being discarded; M2K is not in same boat.

Hi,

That would be agreeable---but the French engineering principals have not changed from Mirage 3/5 to M2K---.

The difference would be a stair step progression---.

 

[The Accountant]

Hi,

That would be agreeable---but the French engineering principals have not changed from Mirage 3/5 to M2K---.

The difference would be a stair step progression---.

Its not about engineering principle but about integration with current Command and control system of Pakistan and the current weapon system being operated and alteration in maintenance facility and training ... Plus upgradation ... This will easily cost billion dollar plus

 

[MastanKhan]

Its not about engineering principle but about integration with current Command and control system of Pakistan and the current weapon system being operated and alteration in maintenance facility and training ... Plus upgradation ... This will easily cost billion dollar plus

HAHAHA,

Seems like you have never worked on an engine or machinery---and neither you have any clue to what you have just stated---.

Just winged it with both barrells in the hope that the grape shot might hit a vital point---.

I am just fcking laughing so hard---.

 

[The Accountant]

You are free to laugh and have your opinion but this is not about engine and machines but about digital world and its avionics ...

Avionics of each aircraft is different and hence required a new treatment ... Furthermore what do you think french keep on using the same tech as they were using in mirrage 3 and 5 ... This is similar to saying that as both prius and corolla are made by toyota and are vehicles and have engines therefore your old mechanic can overhaul prius as well ... Good luck with that

HAHAHA,

Seems like you have never worked on an engine or machinery---and neither you have any clue to what you have just stated---.

Just winged it with both barrells in the hope that the grape shot might hit a vital point---.

I am just fcking laughing so hard---.

 

[MastanKhan]

You are free to laugh and have your opinion but this is not about engine and machines but about digital world and its avionics ...

Avionics of each aircraft is different and hence required a new treatment ... Furthermore what do you think french keep on using the same tech as they were using in mirrage 3 and 5 ... This is similar to saying that as both prius and corolla are made by toyota and are vehicles and have engines therefore your old mechanic can overhaul prius as well ... Good luck with that

Hi,

Between the Mirage 3 and M2K---the difference is not that of Prius and corolla---but that of a 70's corolla and mid 2000 corolla.

That was a stair step progression---which is a natural phenomenon in technical growth---.

When the name of the manufacturer is the same---appearances similar---many a panels similar---you have then crossed many a hurdles in learning of a new product---. The human brain now accepts the new product and the learning curve is faster---.

The M2K of the 80's was no technical wonder---and not a big difference in electronics either---just a newer product---.

 

[mosu]

Today dropped by mirages near berani city

 

[The Accountant]

Hi,

Between the Mirage 3 and M2K---the difference is not that of Prius and corolla---but that of a 70's corolla and mid 2000 corolla.

That was a stair step progression---which is a natural phenomenon in technical growth---.

When the name of the manufacturer is the same---appearances similar---many a panels similar---you have then crossed many a hurdles in learning of a new product---. The human brain now accepts the new product and the learning curve is faster---.

The M2K of the 80's was no technical wonder---and not a big difference in electronics either---just a newer product---.

But i think mirrage 2000-5 or 2000-9 which should be our target are entierly new machines ... What we are comparing is turbojet vs turbofan, fbw vs hydraulic controls, different avionics, entierly different radar, no connectivity to link 17, no ability to fire lot of ammunitions in Pakistan's inventory unless integration ...

In short cost of induction will be huge as compared to benwfits to be enjoyed in remaining life ...

 

[khanasifm]

Mirage carry 1300 litres tanks mirage also had 1700 litres tanks but I think paf only had 1300 and 600 liters supersonic tanks on mirages

This one seems to be 1300 liters tank

 

[MastanKhan]

But i think mirrage 2000-5 or 2000-9 which should be our target are entierly new machines ... What we are comparing is turbojet vs turbofan, fbw vs hydraulic controls, different avionics, entierly different radar, no connectivity to link 17, no ability to fire lot of ammunitions in Pakistan's inventory unless integration ...

In short cost of induction will be huge as compared to benwfits to be enjoyed in remaining life ...

Hi,

Paf engineers and techs are already exposed to 4th gen fighter aircraft technology---.

They understand the american machine---the BLK52---they understand the chinese machine the JF17 BLK2---they understand the older mirages with upgrades---.

So---for these guys---the issue is not of maintaining and managing the aircraft---.

If Paf wanted to---it can recall some of its retd personal who worked in the emirates to give the system a boost to get going---.

But the thing is---it has to do something to get the ball rolling in whichever direction-. Our air force is woefully equipped at this time---.

 

[The Accountant]

Hi,

Paf engineers and techs are already exposed to 4th gen fighter aircraft technology---.

They understand the american machine---the BLK52---they understand the chinese machine the JF17 BLK2---they understand the older mirages with upgrades---.

So---for these guys---the issue is not of maintaining and managing the aircraft---.

If Paf wanted to---it can recall some of its retd personal who worked in the emirates to give the system a boost to get going---.

But the thing is---it has to do something to get the ball rolling in whichever direction-. Our air force is woefully equipped at this time---.

Agreed a twin engine 4.5 generation is a must ...

 

[fatman17]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1014883836906360832

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Raider 21]

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Not a fan of Mirages but great picture !!! Thanks for the share.