Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[JamD]

I doubt PL-15 will be the primary weapon on Block 2 JF. A vast majority of JF will continue to use the SD-10A inventory.

 

[PanzerKiel]

How many ROSE 1 does Pakistan have?
Only ROSE 1 can fire it or other mirage as well?
Will it make ROSE 1 equivalent to Mirage 2000 in capability?

 

[Raja Porus]

Abhi to mein jawan hon...


Btw since the Chief is of mirages thus from now on we will have a mirages lobby as well

 

[Path-Finder]

I wish we could troll by fitting an AESA radar, HMD/S, etc to the F-7PG. Call it Abhi-Bison and claim it can take out a Rafale.

 

[Chak Bamu]

SD10 had been successfully integrated on the belly hardpoint of Mirage ROSE 1. Congrats to all. Mirages have become BVR capable now .

Congratulations indeed.

Can Mirage radar guide it to its max range? It would be great if it could. We have gained a bunch more BVR fighters. It also shows that SD-10 is a good counter. Bravo.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @kursed

If this is true then this can mean either:
1. The Chinese are willing to mate their missile to a Griffo radar. This might mean that the Italian radar option for the JF17 plus chinese missiles may have been more viable than originally thought. (and the Chinese radar won out based on capability and speed of integration and not some refusal of the Chinese to mate their missiles)
2. The Chinese installed a Chinese radar in the Mirage. AESA mirage 3?lol
3. This is just a statement about carrying the missile and not integration and firing.

Edit: 1 may be due to the induction of the PL15 and the existence of the PL15E, the SD10 isnt considered critical enough to be restricted in terms of integration.

Good points, all of them.

Imagine AESA on Mirage. Now that would be something.

 

[DrWatson775]

SD10 had been successfully integrated on the belly hardpoint of Mirage ROSE 1. Congrats to all. Mirages have become BVR capable now .

Great news , I was thinking whether this could be done with the Grifo radar or with another aircraft painting the target .

 

[Bilal.]

That stood out like a sore thumb

 

[Ali_Baba]

Artist's impression :p
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I would be more impressed if you had a frontal shot showing a dual-rack SD-10 setup !! (if you can fit the Ra'ad / H2 / H4 under there - you can do a dual-rack )

As a side note - PAF has previously tested all new homegrown weapons on the Mirages first - so this could be experimentation of their new integration lab they created recently rather than a capability upgrade for the Mirages? Maybe the work on the Saab's and JF17s is starting to give them the confidence to do so ?

Given how much the PAF loved/loves the Mirages - it is odd they never bought the blue prints from Dassault for them or experimented with creating new airframes themselves or learnt how to experiment on the airframe itself ...

ps - I assume the the TOT for the Grifo 7/M's included the source code ?? ( does anyone know? ).

 

[PanzerKiel]

Does the belly hardpoint have a dual rack?

Nopes dear, single point.

Radar?

Grifo

 

[The Eagle]

Is there a possibility that block 2 radrs capable of firing sd-10s which will now be converted to block 3 have been upgraded to mirages and therefore they can fire SD-10s it's cost effective as those spare block 2 radars won't be used now given block 2s will be converted to block 3 standards

It is PAF. Why I say that? because we have the ability to squeeze every bit of it till very last moment. Indeed, JF-17 Block-II will be somehow upgraded to AESA. Spares & a working equipment can be dedicated to any other platform. I know it is not that easy like we post on the Forum but again, it is PAF... this is Pakistan. We can come up with some solutions to address our shortcomings due to finance and on other hand, we do know to add more capability to the already short fleet as quality matters. We keep the edge because of such smart choices in the past. There is a whole history to it. We have MRF. We have other facilities in-house. We have study. We have the ability to .............. We have been working closely with....... and even achieved a milestone which is acknowledged not in words but by the friends and we are looking at development which is attracted only after we have something in house as well.... at-least cooking. I had to omit few things. Conclusively, busy bees have many surprises.

 

[PanzerKiel]

I don't want to sound like a 'Debbie Downer' but what would be the Pros of 'five main Hardpoint and short legged' jet be to get the SD-10s, that too on center pylon ? It needs either center or two inner wing as fuel tanks to be relevant, unless it be escorting other M-III/V strike package but then what is the Point of JF-17 / J-10CP etc ?

Now if 'my wishful thinking', the fuel tank Pylon could carry SD-10 as well along with Fuel Tank 'ala F-15 style,' though very unlikely then one can say 'wow, cool, or even awesome.'

Centre pylon ha been used since the already present wiring for smart bombs can be used for this purpose as well. Changing the wiring through the wings is a long process (i once saw a Mirage fully disassembled, saw the wiring, and got the point)

Does this mean we can "put at rest" all of the T-Darter / R-Darter "rumours from the early 2000's

Yes, its parent company i believe went bankrupt.

@PanzerKiel yaar pic tau banti hay...

so does that mean that the ROSE1 Mirages will carry Chinese KLJ7 Radars?

Nope, Grifo.

How many ROSE 1 does Pakistan have?
Only ROSE 1 can fire it or other mirage as well?
Will it make ROSE 1 equivalent to Mirage 2000 in capability?

30 odd. Only ROSE 1 have been configured to fire it. ROSE 2 and 3 remain dedicated strike.

So can the SD10A be only equipped to the center pylon or can it be equipped onto the other 4?

Centre only, due to wiring.

If possible could you comment why it is integrated only on under fuselage hardpoint ... secondly is there any technical reason why underwing inner hardpoints could not carry SD-10

Due to already present wiring.

I will take this question further. Why invest in dead platform??

Its slated to be there till 2038.

If this is indeed operationalized, you have SD-10 on center, 2 WVR AAMs on wingtips. That is not a bad option for air defence roles. These Mirages probably have 5 years of service left before they are replaced by JF-17s so all in all, a decent stop-gap measure. Plus this would be the most potent Mirage III in the world!

They have now been dedicated for CAP / fighter sweeps / OCAOs.

inthis case I see change of role for Rose-I Mirage fleet they might act as intercepter with this load.

Fighter sweeps / CAPs / OCAOs.

Congratulations indeed.

Can Mirage radar guide it to its max range?

Not at the moment.

 

[untitled]

Its slated to be there till 2038.

If that is the case then we might as well start upgrading the ROSE 1s with KLJ7s.

 

[aliyusuf]

If that is the case then we might as well start upgrading the ROSE 1s with KLJ7s.

Mirage may not have a nosecone broad enough to house the KLJ-7. A smaller antenna has to be installed. How that will affect the range performance remains to be seen.

 

[Zarvan]

SD10 had been successfully integrated on the belly hardpoint of Mirage ROSE 1. Congrats to all. Mirages have become BVR capable now .

So basically we are going to use these 50 year old Baba G for next 50 years also.

 

[MIRauf]

@PanzerKiel
Thank you for your response kind sir, I do envy you and I do hope that you get to test fire it /wink.

So they ( PAF ) going for some variant of Grifo or Chinese option ? there was rumor in the past about home grown radar, that a possibility ? Skunk Work folks working on enhanced duel rack to make it much more meaningful threat ?

So basically we are going to use these 50 year old Baba G for next 50 years also.

It seems Baba-jee still got some oomph left in them, or you can say that lessons learned off 26/27 Feb encounters highlighted the need for more CAPS thus needing more fighters on shoe-string budget.