Dazzler
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
![](/styles/default/xenforo/ranks/General.jpg)
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2008
- Messages
- 9,163
- Reaction score
- 31
- Country
- Location
What about radar data? Can it also be shared?
Classified
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
What about radar data? Can it also be shared?
Not going to happen; so do not ask. Let us put it this way, if Feb surprise was good enough, it tells you there are a lot of things hidden under the covers.But we want you to comment more through.
Give us a little taste.
Hi,
Strike aircraft have different kind of utility and level of performance when comparing to the air superiority fighter aircraft---.
For a fighter aircraft---you want something that is the best bang for the buck---.
But for a strike aircraft---you can use any flyable dog of a reasonable vintage as long as it has upgraded gadgets and EW suite---.
Mirage 3/5 is a perfect kind of aircraft for a Paf kind of airforce---for the strike missions it needs to perform---.
To top off its utility---the modern standoff weapons seems like have been created just for this aircraft---.
Amazing isn't it that when the americans were building the F16---they never thought of F16 be carrying standoff ALCM munitions---that is why it did not have a high clearance---the French on the other hand had some unique sense of utility for their mirage 3 / 5 aircraft that they have become a war horse of choice to carry the Hatf V111 ALCM---.
Then on the other hand---we have the B52 that has seen a new life to deliver these standoff weapons---the B1 bomber is also on the same course---.
Amazing that these 50 and 60 years old aircraft may well serve for another 20-30-40 years.
I think Mirage-V is more likely to suffer air frame fatigue from low level penetration for strike mission
View attachment 604242
Low level penetration, while tactically effective in relatively benign threat environments, has some important limitations. The first is that it incurs a significant penalty in combat radius, since turbojet and turbofan Specific Fuel Consumption is poor at low altitudes, and the higher air density requires higher thrusts be employed to achieve tactically useful airspeeds. Moreover, continuous manoeuvres to clear terrain impose a significant fatigue load on the airframe, and the aircrew, thus limiting airframe life and aircrew endurance in combat.
You have somewhat answered yourself the main purpose of Mirage-V in PAF.Low level penetration is only suitable for the targets deep inside the enemy border say 1000 or 1300 kms inside the enemy territory with thick air defense coverage.
You have somewhat answered yourself the main purpose of Mirage-V in PAF.
This strategy is not viable as it will cause excessive losses under current scenario.
Mirage V is not a stealth aircraft.
Possibility of detection even during low level strike is very high specially when India is armed with S-400s and other modern radars.
PAF have to extend its operation area gradually but of course very quickly and very efficiently!!!! This could be possible if PAF focuses on its operational readiness!!!!
Yes, Mirage V is not stealth, that why night time low level penetration and precision strike for upgraded ROSE II and ROSE III is considered.
AWACS are not airborne all the time. 27th Feb 2019 is a witness to that. AD can be avoided through trajectory planning. Element of surprise is another topic.Today's modern Air Forces strategy should be an intelligent and efficient application of of all available assets to optimize outcomes.
Yes, but they are visible on the modern radars including AEW&Cs during night strikes and bad weather as far as 1000+ kms depending on terrain and the kill zone of effective air defense (based on current Indian assets) starts from 40 kms to 400+ kms.
Now element of surprise will not be low level deep strike during night or bad weather. It should be continuous tossing of smart stand off weapons from comparative "safe" zone (BVR) and expanding the area of operation gradually.
So---if the flight parameters is hugging the ground---then the aircraft is doing its routine / normal job and the wear and tear from that job is "normal"---.
AWACS are not airborne all the time. 27th Feb 2019 is a witness to that. AD can be avoided through trajectory planning. Element of surprise is another topic.
AWACS are not airborne all the time. 27th Feb 2019 is a witness to that. AD can be avoided through trajectory planning. Element of surprise is another topic.
Mirage V has to be replaced. Production line was closed decades ago, spares are scarce even if available. There was a recent crash of ROSE Mirage-V. That leaves around 32 or 33 (ROSE II +III) in service now. Same situation that F-16 once faced in 1990's, when around 34 were available.
Three specialized squadrons are dependent on Mirage-V (8/25/27)
Some time back someone did mention low level ground attack missions that were carried out in an exercise in modern EW/threats environment. The result was that they do work even with modern radars/SAMs if planned carefully. However there is a steady rate of attrition - likely due to modern terminal air defenses and better radars.What do you think, IAF will not revise its strategy!
They are already buying and integrating more of these assets.
After "formal" declaration of war PAF and IAF AEW&Cs will be in air 24/7.
Low level deep penetration night strikes is strategy of element of surprise.
PAF will carryout both day and night strikes.
However gaining element of surprise by carrying out Low level deep penetration night strikes is suicidal in presence of these modern radars and real time satellite coverage. (Indian Armed Forces do have such capabilities)
I will prefer to minimize losses of valuable assets during the conflict by utilizing them more efficiently and effectively.
SEAD/DEAD missions and taking out Command and Control air/sea/ground platforms should be the first priority of PAF.