Argentina chooses second hand Kfir over JF-17, Gripen.

[UKBengali]

They need to get a long range fighter in the Su-27/30/F-15 class to take the fight to the Falklands, the JF-17 doesn't really offer them much.

Air-refuelling version will be enough.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Air-refuelling version will be enough.

To go against the Eurofighters stationed on the islands, Thunders aren't going to cut the mustard not to mention the weapons load of the Thunder leaves a lot to be desired for such a role.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

dude it looks like Mig 21 with new paint

thats what yr hindu head thinks son!

 

[UKBengali]

To go against the Eurofighters stationed on the islands, Thunders aren't going to cut the mustard not to mention the weapons load of the Thunder leaves a lot to be desired for such a role.

There are only 4 typhoons on the Falklands.

Argentina need only buy 2 squadrons(24 aircraft) to establish
air control over Falklands.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

The people bitching about how Argentina didn't go to JF-17 because of less money should also do well to remember that JF-17 was considered because of less money.

 

[Abingdonboy]

There are only 4 typhoons on the Falklands.

Argentina need only buy 2 squadrons(24 aircraft) to establish
air control over Falklands.

4 Typhoons would be enough to counter even 20 Thunders considering the fact the Thunders would be heavy on fuel (if they were planning on getting home)

It would be a repeat of the 1982 Falklands war when the Argentinian Skyhawks and Mirages were flying at the extreme limit of their operational ranges and the UK fighters could could remain on station above the Falklands for far longer with heavy weapons loads.


Air superiority over the Falklands with 2 Sqns of Thunders (or any a/c) is an utter joke, do you think the UK would allow this to stand? The RAF would be there to reclaim the skies from their bases in Cyprus and the UK as soon as the political establishment gave them the go-ahead.

 

[MastanKhan]

Is this a joke?

Hi,

I don't want to be disrespectful in my answer to you----but tell me why do you think it is a joke.

 

[C130]

Argentina can't afford the upgrade costs ... Hence the second hand kfirs...

they can't afford a $40 million dollar fighter.


they need 24-36 IMO

costs of buying the planes,weapons, and other stuff I would say $2 billion is a fair price. if they can't afford to spend $2 billion then, lol on them.

or maybe they realize JF-17 will simply be outclassed by the British Typhoons and F-35Bs.....

 

[MastanKhan]

4 Typhoons would be enough to counter even 20 Thunders considering the fact the Thunders would be heavy on fuel (if they were planning on getting home)

It would be a repeat of the 1982 Falklands war when the Argentinian Skyhawks and Mirages were flying at the extreme limit of their operational ranges and the UK fighters could could remain on station above the Falklands for far longer with heavy weapons loads.


Air superiority over the Falklands with 2 Sqns of Thunders (or any a/c) is an utter joke, do you think the UK would allow this to stand? The RAF would be there to reclaim the skies from their bases in Cyprus and the UK as soon as the political establishment gave them the go-ahead.

Sir,

Aren't you the same guy who was bragging about the 136 rafale deal being done and signed a while ago---and you were strutting around like you were the one signing the contract---and now that your bragging has been smashed to the ground----then---respectfully---I would suggest for you to stay low.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

why do You think i want such an upgrade which is costing more than 30-35 million ? When offered with ToT and soft loans? Any idea that too for a nation which will buy second hand fighter for same amounts of JF17

30-35? 35+ is the cost of BLKII. That's fly away cost son.. Thinks like training,service,spares etx cost much more.. We sold 20 SMs this years for almost 300 million... Go figure .


A second hand kfirs goes for a fraction of that.. The so called latest block 60 upgrade for around 15-20 million! And Argentina already operates IAI daggers aka mirage clones.


As I said read the article again instead of posting BS posts.

dude it looks like Mig 21 with new paint

And this turd claims to be an aviation expert... Going by the same logic LCA trailer fighter looks like a mirage 3... Along with similiar specs to compliment tge looks.

Sir,

Aren't you the same guy who was bragging about the 136 rafale deal being done and signed a while ago---and you were strutting around like you were the one signing the contract---and now that your bragging has been smashed to the ground----then---respectfully---I would suggest for you to stay low.

Sir... Not just that .... The kid loves to brag about imaginery things ... He seems to think that he knows more about military stuff than most professional military men.. And he's just in his mid teens... Hence nobody but indian fanboys take him seriously...

 

[UKBengali]

4 Typhoons would be enough to counter even 20 Thunders considering the fact the Thunders would be heavy on fuel (if they were planning on getting home)

It would be a repeat of the 1982 Falklands war when the Argentinian Skyhawks and Mirages were flying at the extreme limit of their operational ranges and the UK fighters could could remain on station above the Falklands for far longer with heavy weapons loads.


Air superiority over the Falklands with 2 Sqns of Thunders (or any a/c) is an utter joke, do you think the UK would allow this to stand? The RAF would be there to reclaim the skies from their bases in Cyprus and the UK as soon as the political establishment gave them the go-ahead.

Dude the Typoon is good but not that good.

With the air-refuelling version of the JF-17, tankers could be waiting between Argentine
and the Falklands ready to refuel the returning JF-17s. JF-17s would not be fuel-heavy.

How do you suppose the RAF could get reinforcements in quick enough if the Argentines did a surprise attack with the JF-17s and the dozens of other aircraft they had?

The limited number of Typhoons would be swamped by 50 or more enemy aircraft coming in salvos to bomb the crap out of the key military installations in the Falklands.

Unless the UK also had a Type-45 destroyer in the Falklands, an Argentina that had even 24 JF-17s could now beat the UK.

 

[MastanKhan]

“Sources: Defense Update, “At 40 Years of age, Kfir Turns into a “Networked Fighter”” | Israeli Air Force, “Roaring Back”.

Two to Tango? Argentina Looking Everywhere for New Warplanes



Why ?

They are going to get Kfir block 60. The price is $ 20mil per piece...
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Hi,

Argentina has made a very wise decision---with the avaiability of the funds they had---Kfir blk 60 package is a hell of an aircraft.

Pakistan should remember that not too many years ago----they made a similar decision---after looking at the Grippen for a couple of years---they went back to the F 16----.

By Pakistan not picking on the grippen did that mean that it was not a great aircraft----!!!!


And please allow me to add---the indians rejected one of the best aircraft during mrca---the F16 BLK 60 IN----then rejected the Grippen NG---then the F 18 super hornet got rejected----the Eurofighter got rejected---and then they finally rejected the Rafale that they picked up as a final selection after all that hoopla and drama----.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

they can't afford a $40 million dollar fighter.


they need 24-36 IMO

Argentinian fleet is as pathetic as their defence budget... Old mirages and IAI mirage copy aks daggers that's their primary workhorse ..

costs of buying the planes,weapons, and other stuff I would say $2 billion is a fair price. if they can't afford to spend $2 billion then, lol on them.

or maybe they realize JF-17 will simply be outclassed by the British Typhoons and F-35Bs.....

Of course .. But I guess 50 year old second hand cheap *** Kfirs can do the job for em.

 

[C130]

Dude the Typoon is good but not that good.

With the air-refuelling version of the JF-17, tankers could be waiting between Argentine
and the Falklands ready to refuel the returning JF-17s. JF-17s would not be fuel-heavy.

How do you suppose the RAF could get reinforcements in quick enough if the Argentines did a surprise attack with the JF-17s and the dozens of other aircraft they had?

The limited number of Typhoons would be swamped by 50 or more enemy aircraft coming in salvos to bomb the crap out of the key military installations in the Falklands.

Unless the UK also had a Type-45 destroyer in the Falklands, an Argentina that had even 24 JF-17s could now beat the UK.

this is kinda moot isn't it. Argentina can't even afford a dozen JF-17 lot alone 50+ JF-17s or second hand fighters.

4 typhoons with an AWAC plane could destroy 8 or more Argentina fighters with Meteor and Infrared missiles, easily.


Argentina can't afford another Falklands war, and even if they pulled the same crap they wouldn't be in control of the Islands for no more than a month or less.


the UK will make it so Argentina will never dare attack the Falklands again let alone think about it

and I mean by attacking the mainland. destroy it's air bases and other means to wage war against the Falklands.

 

[UKBengali]

@C130 :

Yeah, you are right that the Argentines could not really hold onto the Falklands since the Argentines have no answer to the Astute SSNs and Type-45 destroyers that the UK currently possesses. Once the two aircraft carriers are in operation by the next decade, then even a full out planned military build-up/attack effort by the Argentines to retake the Falklands will be doomed to failure.

But, if they had 24 JF-17s in the next few years, then they can take the Falklands but not hold onto them for longer than 1-2 months.