Arabic Coffee shop

[Indos]

@Saif al-Arab @Falcon29

Long time not see bro....

When Arab, Persian, and Indonesian get together

Do you think this Syrian guys has a perfect pronunciation ?

 

[-SINAN-]

Just listen to this nonsense.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said

Unfortunately Said died too soon (2003). I would have loved to hear his views about today's Iraq, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict nowadays, the "Arab Spring", the recent political movements gaining ground (populism, right-wing leaders), MBS and much more.

Yeah, god willingly we will plant the banner of in the heart of Catholic Church.....

Ironically Mehmet the Conqueror had plans to invade Rome, one of his generals invaded Otranto in Italy but Allah didn't blessed the Conqueror with long life.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab @Falcon29

Long time not see bro....

When Arab, Persian, and Indonesian get together

Do you think this Syrian guys has a perfect pronunciation ?

Good to see you around again bro. How is life? Been busy myself in the recent months and should not even be online right now (in a perfect world) but social media (Facebook, Twitter, PDF etc.) is what it is.

Did not watch the video yet but I know for a fact that Bahasa and other languages in Indonesia have incorporated many words of Arabic origin like almost all languages of the Muslim world have due to historical, trade, military, religious etc. reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic

https://umexpert.um.edu.my/file/publication/00010861_116401.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians

See recent thread.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sing...adhramaut-valley-wadi-dawan-in-the-ha.569585/

Many outsiders, including even Arabs and Indonesians (South East Asians) do not realize the actual historical depth of this relationship that even predates Islam (trade). As we have spoken about many times before, 100.000's of Saudi Arabian citizens have ancestral, familial or otherwise relations with people from Indonesia/South East Asia. So it is not only a one-way street.

BTW, my honest condolences to the victims in Lombok. Earthquakes are rare in KSA but they have occurred in the distant past as have volcanic eruptions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Saudi_Arabia

Hijaz is pretty much littered with ancient volcanoes that are extant (for now at least!).

Yeah, god willingly we will plant the banner of in the heart of Catholic Church.....

Ironically Mehmet the Conqueror had plans to invade Rome, one of his generals invaded Otranto in Italy but Allah didn't blessed the Conqueror with long life.

Many right-wing Europeans have this fantasy, due to historical experiences of Arabs and Turks having conquered significant portions of Europe, in particular Southern Europe (the civilizational heartland of Europe), that Muslims will conquer all of Europe and kill every European. Hence words like Eurabia etc. Meanwhile those same people are glorifying Roman presence (that spanned from Morocco in the West to KSA) in the Arab world, modern-day Turkey etc. and often parrot "shared history" while seemingly forgetting the shared history in the Islamic era.

For instance you will be surprised how much Arabs have influenced Spain and Portugal for instance in terms of linguistic, agricultural, architectural, even genetic (yes), cuisine etc. Most evident is that most of the main cities in Spain are of Arabic origin starting with the capital itself (Madrid). We can say the same thing about Turkish/Ottoman influence in the Balkans. I am sure that you know all about this.

Arabs ruled Sicily and much of Southern Italy for almost 250 years and raids on Rome occurred. The Vatican was already sacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_raid_against_Rome

Just like the Romans committed sackings and every other power of the world back then.

Yes, I once read about Khair ad-Din Barbarus (Barbarossa) as he is called in Arabic. His name means "the goodness of faith".

 

[Nilgiri]

Good to see you around again bro. How is life? Been busy myself in the recent months and should not even be online right now (in a perfect world) but social media (Facebook, Twitter, PDF etc.) is what it is.

Did not watch the video yet but I know for a fact that Bahasa and other languages in Indonesia have incorporated many words of Arabic origin like almost all languages of the Muslim world have due to historical, trade, military, religious etc. reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic

https://umexpert.um.edu.my/file/publication/00010861_116401.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians

See recent thread.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sing...adhramaut-valley-wadi-dawan-in-the-ha.569585/

Many outsiders, including even Arabs and Indonesians (South East Asians) do not realize the actual historical depth of this relationship that even predates Islam (trade). As we have spoken about many times before, 100.000's of Saudi Arabian citizens have ancestral, familial or otherwise relations with people from Indonesia/South East Asia. So it is not only a one-way street.

BTW, my honest condolences to the victims in Lombok. Earthquakes are rare in KSA but they have occurred in the distant past as have volcanic eruptions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Saudi_Arabia

Hijaz is pretty much littered with ancient volcanoes that are extant (for now at least!).





Many right-wing Europeans have this fantasy, due to historical experiences of Arabs and Turks having conquered significant portions of Europe, in particular Southern Europe (the civilizational heartland of Europe), that Muslims will conquer all of Europe and kill every European. Hence words like Eurabia etc. Meanwhile those same people are glorifying Roman presence (that spanned from Morocco in the West to KSA) in the Arab world, modern-day Turkey etc. and often parrot "shared history" while seemingly forgetting the shared history in the Islamic era.

For instance you will be surprised how much Arabs have influenced Spain and Portugal for instance in terms of linguistic, agricultural, architectural, even genetic (yes), cuisine etc. Most evident is that most of the main cities in Spain are of Arabic origin starting with the capital itself (Madrid). We can say the same thing about Turkish/Ottoman influence in the Balkans. I am sure that you know all about this.

Arabs ruled Sicily and much of Southern Italy for almost 250 years and raids on Rome occurred. The Vatican was already sacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_raid_against_Rome

Just like the Romans committed sackings and every other power of the world back then.

Yes, I once read about Khair ad-Din Barbarus (Barbarossa) as he is called in Arabic. His name means "the goodness of faith".

I believe there is elder (arabic abased) script for standard Bahasa too....Jawi script.

More local languages like Javanese etc were Indic scripts originally. Bahasa itself is sanksrit word too.

Now of course everything largely standardised to latin script. So interesting mix of local-indic-arabic-latin in the languages of this most interesting region (East Indies islands).

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I believe there is elder (arabic abased) script for standard Bahasa too....Jawi script.

More local languages like Javanese etc were Indic scripts originally. Bahasa itself is sanksrit word too.

Now of course everything largely standardised to latin script. So interesting mix of local-indic-arabic-latin in the languages of this most interesting region (East Indies islands).

Yes, South East Asia has this unique fusion of Indic (Indian mostly) and Arabic influences. Add the later Chinese influences (mostly migration) and you have quite a unique mixture that is also felt in the local cuisine for instance. Malaysia is a good example of this.

When I was a kid I had great interest in geography (my grandfather gave me an old atlas of the world and a globe before I could walk) and I remember pointing on all those small island states that are scattered in the Indian Ocean and from East Africa to South East Asia. To my great astonishment years later, I discovered that Arabs either first discovered those islands (some were uninhabited while others were inhabited like Comoros, Seychelles, Mauritius, Maldives etc.).

Recently I was looking at world populations for a few minutes and discovered this group of Islands (belonging to India) in the Indian Ocean that I had never heard about and I discovered an Arab presence too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshadweep

I obviously know that our ancestors were great seafarers (living on the largest peninsula in the world) and that several millennia old trade ties with South Asia, South East Asia and even East Asia existed long before Islam but nevertheless you do get surprised.

Speaking about blends of cultures, I do believe that certain areas of India (Gujarat, Kerala, Hyderabad, more recent due to the Yemeni diaspora and the Nizam of Hyderabad who claimed Arab paternal ancestry and ironically used elite Arab soldiers from Yemen, even his private corps before being conquered by the Indian state were composed of Hyderabadi Yemenis) have Arab influences as well as Sri Lanka (Moor community). Sindh too in Pakistan. It's interesting stuff.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes, South East Asia has this unique fusion of Indic (Indian mostly) and Arabic influences. Add the later Chinese influences (mostly migration) and you have quite a unique mixture that is also felt in the local cuisine for instance. Malaysia is a good example of this.

When I was a kid I had great interest in geography (my grandfather gave me an old atlas of the world and a globe before I could walk) and I remember pointing on all those small island states that are scattered in the Indian Ocean and from East Africa to South East Asia. To my great astonishment years later, I discovered that Arabs either first discovered those islands (some were uninhabited while others were inhabited like Comoros, Seychelles, Mauritius, Maldives etc.).

Recently I was looking at world populations for a few minutes and discovered this group of Islands (belonging to India) in the Indian Ocean that I had never heard about and I discovered an Arab presence too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshadweep

I obviously know that our ancestors were great seafarers (living on the largest peninsula in the world) and that several millennia old trade ties with South Asia, South East Asia and even East Asia existed long before Islam but nevertheless you do get surprised.

Speaking about blends of cultures, I do believe that certain areas of India (Gujarat, Kerala, Hyderabad, more recent due to the Yemeni diaspora and the Nizam of Hyderabad who claimed Arab paternal ancestry and ironically used elite Arab soldiers from Yemen, even his private corps before being conquered by the Indian state were composed of Hyderabadi Yemenis) have Arab influences as well as Sri Lanka (Moor community). Sindh too in Pakistan. It's interesting stuff.

Yes in the oldest comprehensive Tamil literatures (from around 500 BC era to about 300 AD) I have read and studied....the two major trade/cultural exchange of note that really left a large influence and imprint on various vocabulary (still used today) in our language (as noted by the authors of that time) was Arabic and Greek (esp for the specific goods that were traded like various grains, spices, ores, metals, stones etc)....and this was later augmented by Roman and Persian trade as well in the era after it. Of course word for "sugar" (Sakkarai) is probably the most well known one in use in every Tamil dialect + the standard register that is of Arabic origin. The connection of Wootz Steel and Damascus steel is another testament to the trade and exchange that happened in the era.

You are right about the diaspora as well...Both Moors in SL and Muslims in Tamil Nadu for example use Arwi script (which is arabic based) for especially their religious purposes.

Arab seafaring/trade is well known and documented in region (even to BC times). I believe Vasco Da Gama employed an Arab pilot for the final leg of his voyage to make safe passage to Indian shore....after all Arabs had been plying this route for a very long time...hence no surprise at many of the naming rights and influences in the Arabian Sea and Indian ocean.

 

[Indos]

Good to see you around again bro. How is life? Been busy myself in the recent months and should not even be online right now (in a perfect world) but social media (Facebook, Twitter, PDF etc.) is what it is.

Did not watch the video yet but I know for a fact that Bahasa and other languages in Indonesia have incorporated many words of Arabic origin like almost all languages of the Muslim world have due to historical, trade, military, religious etc. reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic

https://umexpert.um.edu.my/file/publication/00010861_116401.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians

See recent thread.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sing...adhramaut-valley-wadi-dawan-in-the-ha.569585/

Many outsiders, including even Arabs and Indonesians (South East Asians) do not realize the actual historical depth of this relationship that even predates Islam (trade). As we have spoken about many times before, 100.000's of Saudi Arabian citizens have ancestral, familial or otherwise relations with people from Indonesia/South East Asia. So it is not only a one-way street.

BTW, my honest condolences to the victims in Lombok. Earthquakes are rare in KSA but they have occurred in the distant past as have volcanic eruptions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Saudi_Arabia

Hijaz is pretty much littered with ancient volcanoes that are extant (for now at least!).





Many right-wing Europeans have this fantasy, due to historical experiences of Arabs and Turks having conquered significant portions of Europe, in particular Southern Europe (the civilizational heartland of Europe), that Muslims will conquer all of Europe and kill every European. Hence words like Eurabia etc. Meanwhile those same people are glorifying Roman presence (that spanned from Morocco in the West to KSA) in the Arab world, modern-day Turkey etc. and often parrot "shared history" while seemingly forgetting the shared history in the Islamic era.

For instance you will be surprised how much Arabs have influenced Spain and Portugal for instance in terms of linguistic, agricultural, architectural, even genetic (yes), cuisine etc. Most evident is that most of the main cities in Spain are of Arabic origin starting with the capital itself (Madrid). We can say the same thing about Turkish/Ottoman influence in the Balkans. I am sure that you know all about this.

Arabs ruled Sicily and much of Southern Italy for almost 250 years and raids on Rome occurred. The Vatican was already sacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_raid_against_Rome

Just like the Romans committed sackings and every other power of the world back then.

Yes, I once read about Khair ad-Din Barbarus (Barbarossa) as he is called in Arabic. His name means "the goodness of faith".

My life is still good he he but I experience decrease in obedient to ALLAH, I am trying to recover now...

Yup, there are many Arabic words in Bahasa Indonesia as well as sanksrit as @Nilgiri mentioned. But the thing that both of you should know is that bahasa Indonesia comes from Melayu language. As you know that we have so many languages, there are about a hundred but the most spoken language in Indonesia is Melayu, Javanese, and Sundanese language. Javanese people are the largest, followed by Sundanese, and then Melayu people. Melayu language become our national language since it is a lingua franca or language of the trading for our archipelago, including Malaysia, we call it Nusantara (Nusa means island, tara means between). Dutch also use Melayu language for language of their administration in Dutch East Indies (Indonesia under Dutch occupation).

The one that has Arab influence is only Melayu one. Melayu language itself has so many, but we use Melayu from Riau islands as our standardize national language. I am also part of Melayu race but my tribe is Minang living is West Sumatra and our local language are rather different but still has so many similarities with Melayu Riau. Melayu race are people living in Malaysia, Sumatra island (Indonesia) and some part of Kalimantan island (Indonesia/Malaysia/Brunei). Beside Melayu people, there are also Dayak tribe whose language so different from Melayu language who live in Kalimantan island.

Melayu language get influenced by Arabic due to trade and Islam. Melayu people is the one who become Muslim for the first time in Indonesia, as you know that Samudra Pasai (Nort of Sumatra) is the first Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia. As Islam is spreading trough trade, so Sumatran people get influenced by Arab traders and Arab settler. It is so because of Malaccan Strait who divide Sumatra and Malaysia (I forgot the island he he) has become trading route between Arab/India/China since long time ago. Our language is also influenced by Portuguese and Persian but not as many as Arab. We got the most loan word from dutch. The second most influential for bahasa Indonesia is Indian language @Nilgiri.

Traditional cloth of Melayu Riau is quite Islamic

 

[Saif al-Arab]

My life is still good he he but I experience decrease in obedient to ALLAH, I am trying to recover now...

Yup, there are many Arabic words in Bahasa Indonesia as well as sanksrit as @Nilgiri mentioned. But the thing that both of you should know is that bahasa Indonesia comes from Melayu language. As you know that we have so many languages, there are about a hundred but the most spoken language in Indonesia is Melayu, Javanese, and Sundanese language. Javanese people are the largest, followed by Sundanese, and then Melayu people. Melayu language become our national language since it is a lingua franca or language of the trading for our archipelago, including Malaysia, we call it Nusantara (Nusa means island, tara means between). Dutch also use Melayu language for language of their administration in Dutch East Indies (Indonesia under Dutch occupation).

The one that has Arab influence is only Melayu one. Melayu language itself has so many, but we use Melayu from Riau islands as our standardize national language. I am also part of Melayu race but my tribe is Minang living is West Sumatra and our local language are rather different but still has so many similarities with Melayu Riau. Melayu race are people living in Malaysia, Sumatra island (Indonesia) and some part of Kalimantan island (Indonesia/Malaysia/Brunei). Beside Melayu people, there are also Dayak tribe whose language so different from Melayu language who live in Kalimantan island.

Melayu language get influenced by Arabic due to trade and Islam. Melayu people is the one who become Muslim for the first time in Indonesia, as you know that Samudra Pasai (Nort of Sumatra) is the first Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia. As Islam is spreading trough trade, so Sumatran people get influenced by Arab traders and Arab settler. It is so because of Malaccan Strait who divide Sumatra and Malaysia (I forgot the island he he) has become trading route between Arab/India/China since long time ago. Our language is also influenced by Portuguese and Persian but not as many as Arab. We got the most loan word from dutch. The second most influential for bahasa Indonesia is Indian language @Nilgiri.

Traditional cloth of Melayu Riau is quite Islamic

Good to hear. Keep your head up bro and you will succeed in life for sure. You have the intellect and the right behavior, at least online, lol. Stay positive.

Yes, Indonesia is incredibly diverse similar to South Asia. The Arab world is much more uniform, even in pre-Islamic times as almost all the native peoples and civilizations were Semitic in nature or other closely related Afro-Asiatic speaking peoples, which explains why Semitic languages such as Aramaic became a lingua franca of much of Arabia, Sham and Mesopotamia in ancient times and why Arabic quickly and quite easily became an lingua franca of the Arab world, while Arabic heavily influenced Farsi vocabulary for instance, it was not adopted fully by the masses outside of the first 2-3 centuries due to Farsi and Arabic being much further apart than say Arabic and Assyrian or Arabic and Coptic to mention a few examples. Many people are unaware of this fact and deep relationship between people in the modern-day Arab world prior to Islam.

However linguistics are one thing, genetics are another. For instance modern-day Arabs cluster closely with Indo-European speaking Southern Europeans, Caucasian speaking Caucasians, Farsi speaking Iranians, Turkic speaking Turks etc. In fact so much that those 3 geographical clusters (Southern Europe, Middle East and Caucasus) are grouped together when compared with other populations of the world (Africa, Asia, the two Americas etc.).

Did many of the Arabs (mostly from Yemen and Hijaz) who settled Indonesia not settle in Java as well in large numbers? I believe so at least.

Yes, most of the people from Indonesia who settled Hijaz were from Sumatra and also many came from Java. Those two regions of the country. However I am less sure about which ethnic groups where most dominating as Indonesia is incredibly diverse, as you correctly mentioned yourself (100 + languages). Hard to imagine really. Can't imagine KSA with 100 different ethnic groups.



BTW it does not count as "separate ethnic groups" but KSA is probably home to most ethnic groups from the Muslim world due to Hajj, Umrah and past settlements. Of course those numbers are small compared to entire ethnic groups or locals but you have everything from Saudi Arabians of Bosnian, Albanian, Circassian (I have distant Circassian ancestry for example), Chechen, Turkish, Uzbek, Farsi, African, Horner, Asian, South Asian, South East Asian, Chinese (Hui, Uyghur) etc. you name it.

They are not as prominent as locals but they are there in every field of the society. In particular in Hijaz. One of our generals for instance is of Chinese (Hui) ancestry.

FFS, even Najd was full of Eastern European and Caucasian slave descendants not long ago. House of Saud members intermarried with Armenians in Najd as well. The "Red Prince" (father of Al-Waleed) is half Armenian. Freed Armenian slave girl that escaped to KSA during events in WW1 from Ottoman controlled regions in modern-day Turkey probably.

Bandar was the son of a freed Yemeni Afro-Arab slave woman etc.

I honestly don't think that there is a single Hijazi that has not partial ancestry or distant non-Arab ancestry. At least in the major towns where most of the population live and lived. However even the mountain and desert dwellers in Hijaz had extensive ties with non-Arabs dating back millennia so even they intermarried. For example Bedouins during raids often took concubines from all corners of the world (as was the practice back then).

As an example here on PDF alone, we had a few Hijazi users here such as @Mosamania and he had a Turkish grandmother from Bursa for example (if I recall) and another user was half Circassian.

I am not even talking about the Arab-Arab intermarriages which everyone in Hijaz engaged in (Egypt next door, Sham next door, Yemen, Iraq etc.) etc. Many people of Maghrebi origins as well and vice versa.

Quite complex on this front but such communities are nowadays fully assimilated so they are no longer separate ethnic groups and mostly intermarried from the start.

For instance I doubt that most Afro-Arabs in say KSA or Iraq can trace their ancestry or even know if they are from Horn of Africa, Sahel, West Africa, East Africa etc. Never asked Afro-Arabs such questions as it would be like asking (often since not all Afro-Arabs arrived due to slavery in fact most due to Hajj/Umrah and sanctuary) the average African-American where he comes from originally, lol.

In a racially/tribal/clan based society this is a quite big taboo.

 

[Nilgiri]

My life is still good he he but I experience decrease in obedient to ALLAH, I am trying to recover now...

Yup, there are many Arabic words in Bahasa Indonesia as well as sanksrit as @Nilgiri mentioned. But the thing that both of you should know is that bahasa Indonesia comes from Melayu language. As you know that we have so many languages, there are about a hundred but the most spoken language in Indonesia is Melayu, Javanese, and Sundanese language. Javanese people are the largest, followed by Sundanese, and then Melayu people. Melayu language become our national language since it is a lingua franca or language of the trading for our archipelago, including Malaysia, we call it Nusantara (Nusa means island, tara means between). Dutch also use Melayu language for language of their administration in Dutch East Indies (Indonesia under Dutch occupation).

The one that has Arab influence is only Melayu one. Melayu language itself has so many, but we use Melayu from Riau islands as our standardize national language. I am also part of Melayu race but my tribe is Minang living is West Sumatra and our local language are rather different but still has so many similarities with Melayu Riau. Melayu race are people living in Malaysia, Sumatra island (Indonesia) and some part of Kalimantan island (Indonesia/Malaysia/Brunei). Beside Melayu people, there are also Dayak tribe whose language so different from Melayu language who live in Kalimantan island.

Melayu language get influenced by Arabic due to trade and Islam. Melayu people is the one who become Muslim for the first time in Indonesia, as you know that Samudra Pasai (Nort of Sumatra) is the first Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia. As Islam is spreading trough trade, so Sumatran people get influenced by Arab traders and Arab settler. It is so because of Malaccan Strait who divide Sumatra and Malaysia (I forgot the island he he) has become trading route between Arab/India/China since long time ago. Our language is also influenced by Portuguese and Persian but not as many as Arab. We got the most loan word from dutch. The second most influential for bahasa Indonesia is Indian language @Nilgiri.

Traditional cloth of Melayu Riau is quite Islamic

Thank you for this detailed post on the nuanced history and Arab and other connections in Indonesia...

I do love spoken Bahasa indonesia more than malaysian one (that I picked up quite a lot). It sounds so nice to the ear (you speak so fast but nice!). Then I hear Javanese, Balinese etc.. and there is yet another rich but different sound to them.

May I ask friend, which part of Indonesia are you from? EDIT: nvm you answered as west sumatra...lol.

It is so because of Malaccan Strait who divide Sumatra and Malaysia (I forgot the island he he) has become trading route between Arab/India/China since long time ago.

Yes I know what you are talking about (I forgot the name too haha)....it was an island that became important because when the prevailing wind was not right, the ship would be swept back to there...so it naturally became a harbour/refuge important to the traders waiting for better winds....it was important during Sri Vijaya times even I believe.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Thank you for this detailed post on the nuanced history and Arab and other connections in Indonesia...

I do love spoken Bahasa indonesia more than malaysian one (that I picked up quite a lot). It sounds so nice to the ear (you speak so fast but nice!). Then I hear Javanese, Balinese etc.. and there is yet another rich but different sound to them.

May I ask friend, which part of Indonesia are you from? EDIT: nvm you answered as west sumatra...lol.



Yes I know what you are talking about (I forgot the name too haha)....it was an island that became important because when the prevailing wind was not right, the ship would be swept back to there...so it naturally became a harbour/refuge important to the traders waiting for better winds....it was important during Sri Vijaya times even I believe.

Let us not forget the wonderful Filipino community. They are arguably one of the most well-respected, well-mannered and most-liked expat communities in KSA at least. Not sure about the wider GCC region.

They too have a similar history and similar influences like the remaining South East Asia. Especially the Muslim South has great affinity with the Arab world and ruling dynasties there were either of Arab descent or claimed Arab descent. Numerous sultanates.

As for accents, I know what you are talking about. Many Arab men, at least in KSA, find those accents from South East Asia cute, lol.

Arabic spoken by Filipinos, Indonesians and Malays (women) is cute as hell too.

Bro, is it truth that the dish Mandi (Arabian dish) has become a stable in Hyderabad due to old Yemeni community in Hyderabad along with other dishes?

I don't remember but there once was a very friendly Indian user from Hyderabad who knew such things. Can't recall his name.

 

[Nilgiri]

Bro, is it truth that the dish Mandi (Arabian dish) has become a stable in Hyderabad due to old Yemeni community in Hyderabad along with other dishes?

Bro...Yes! It is relished by many...Mandi is definitely a must have when in Hyderabad for sure. It traces to the Yemeni community in Hyderabad as you said.

It is found in many well established eateries now, often they are just based on Mandi alone:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-the-yemeni-delicacy-from-barkas-1710222.html

Increasingly lot of arab food is becoming very popular in Kerala and TN as well (probably helped by expat community when they return etc). Last time I was in Chennai, there was excellent Chicken Machboos, Mandi and also Mutton Kabsa in number of places...and all were in healthy competition to serve the best one.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Bro...Yes! It is relished by many...Mandi is definitely a must have when in Hyderabad for sure. It traces to the Yemeni community in Hyderabad as you said.

It is found in many well established eateries now, often they are just based on Mandi alone:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-the-yemeni-delicacy-from-barkas-1710222.html

Increasingly lot of arab food is becoming very popular in Kerala and TN as well (probably helped by expat community when they return etc). Last time I was in Chennai, there was excellent Chicken Machboos, Mandi and also Mutton Kabsa in number of places...and all were in healthy competition to serve the best one.

I have noticed that Arabs, especially from the Arabian Peninsula and interestingly enough Morocco which is much further away, use many of the same spices that are used in South Asia and South East Asia, hence Arabian cuisine in generally being more spicy than other Arab cuisines with the exception of Morocco which uses spices too.

I am 100% sure that this is due to the ancient Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean etc. trade that is several millennia old and which actually was much more extensive, richer and much bigger than the Silk Road (maritime trade has always been and still is today the by far biggest field of trade in the world).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_trade








That is great to hear. I am sure that other Arabian dishes have been adopted similar to how South Asian/Indian dishes have been adopted in the GCC.

Also another dish originally from Hijaz that is shared in both Arabia, India and South East Asia is the street food murtabak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtabak

Indonesia:

BTW Kerala seems to be a very beautiful region of India and Hyderabad seems to have many interesting sights as well. I have always felt that the Western part of India (from Gujarat to Kerala, Goa etc.) is the most interesting due to being coastal based societies and trade ties. The interior of India and Eastern India (Northeastern as well) seem to be less known to me at least and as a whole than the opposite (Western side). At least this is the impression that I have. Most Indians in the GCC are also from Western India.

 

[Indos]

Good to hear. Keep your head up bro and you will succeed in life for sure. You have the intellect and the right behavior, at least online, lol. Stay positive.

Did many of the Arabs (mostly from Yemen and Hijaz) who settled Indonesia not settle in Java as well in large numbers? I believe so at least.

Yes, most of the people from Indonesia who settled Hijaz were from Sumatra and also many came from Java. Those two regions of the country. However I am less sure about which ethnic groups where most dominating as Indonesia is incredibly diverse, as you correctly mentioned yourself (100 + languages). Hard to imagine really. Can't imagine KSA with 100 different ethnic groups.

Thanks bro..

Well, Arab settler who married local in Sumatra has already become native due to Arab comes to Sumatra since long time ago (ancient), because of that some native Sumatran can look like Arab but native. On the other hand, Arab settler in Java is recent, maybe come within Dutch rule so they still think they have Arab blood (and retain their Yemeni heritage including names).

Talking about whose ethnic is dominating

Javanese people are half of Indonesian population but at this time there is no ethnic who dominates, but mostly Javanese who will become President, only Habibie who is not Javanese. But now thing is changing. For instance in Jakarta, Indonesia political barometer, the one who win is Anies Baswedan who is an Arab Indonesian with his deputy who is Javanese, Sandiaga Uno. His rival is Basuki Chandra (Ahok) who is Chinese. Jakarta is important since Joko Widodo, a former Jakarta governor has become President.

Sandiaga Uno (left) Anies Baswedan (right)

Thank you for this detailed post on the nuanced history and Arab and other connections in Indonesia...

I do love spoken Bahasa indonesia more than malaysian one (that I picked up quite a lot). It sounds so nice to the ear (you speak so fast but nice!). Then I hear Javanese, Balinese etc.. and there is yet another rich but different sound to them.

May I ask friend, which part of Indonesia are you from? EDIT: nvm you answered as west sumatra...lol.

Yes I know what you are talking about (I forgot the name too haha)....it was an island that became important because when the prevailing wind was not right, the ship would be swept back to there...so it naturally became a harbour/refuge important to the traders waiting for better winds....it was important during Sri Vijaya times even I believe.

I am 100 % West Sumatran and reside in Jakarta

Malaysian language which is used by their politician uses formal Melayu language, and it is so close with bahasa Indonesia. Indonesian language is like formal Malaysian language, a language Malaysian used for writing.

But I do love Malaysian girl using their own Malaysian dialect since it sounds cute

 

[Saif al-Arab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1021369293777395713

Some great songs can be found on Mac Miller's and Travis Scott's new albums. Normally not a big fan but credit where credit is due.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Spanish football mania (mainly FC Barcelona and Real Madrid) in yet another Arab country (Morocco).

The Spanish Super Cup was played in Tangier tonight.

I don't think there are countries in the world that take this rivalry as seriously. I am looking at Morocco, Algeria, KSA, Iraq, Egypt etc. here. Sometimes very unhealthy levels.