Another milestone of Turkish Aerospace: TAI's New Supersonic UAV Göksungur Waiting 2020

[UKBengali]

Why did they chose turbojet over turbofan?

Easier to produce.

 

[xbat]

Easier to produce.

No, there is no big difference to produce them from manufacturer aspects. hard part is to manufacture jet core, once you have achieved it you can make all variants.

Mr Kotil stated new plane would have a turbojet engine, may be he only implies it wouldnt not be a propelled aircraft. We do not know yet but there is a possibility to have a turbofan variant of our TS1400. 2 of them would be suitable for our supersonic wingman aircraft.

from aviation Turkey magazine
"Among the main purposes of the Turboshaft Engine Development Project (TEDP) is the establishment of a gas turbine engine design and the development of infrastructure and the knowledge to facilitate such a development process.
Thus, the core technology of the TS1400 Engine shall also form the basis for the indigenous turbofan engine
(in 8,500lbf to 9,500lbf thrust class) needed for the HURJET New Generation Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) & the Light Attack Aircraft Development Project, and it will be possible to develop the national aircraft engine
when needed, upon any necessary technological additions to the capabilities gained under the TEDP. "

 

[UKBengali]

No, there is no big difference to produce them from manufacturer aspects. hard part is to manufacture jet core, once you have achieved it you can make all variants.

Mr Kotil stated new plane would have a turbojet engine, may be he only implies it wouldnt not be a propelled aircraft. We do not know yet but there is a possibility to have a turbofan variant of our TS1400. 2 of them would be suitable for our supersonic wingman aircraft.

from aviation Turkey magazine
"Among the main purposes of the Turboshaft Engine Development Project (TEDP) is the establishment of a gas turbine engine design and the development of infrastructure and the knowledge to facilitate such a development process.
Thus, the core technology of the TS1400 Engine shall also form the basis for the indigenous turbofan engine
(in 8,500lbf to 9,500lbf thrust class) needed for the HURJET New Generation Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) & the Light Attack Aircraft Development Project, and it will be possible to develop the national aircraft engine
when needed, upon any necessary technological additions to the capabilities gained under the TEDP. "

China produced turbojets for many decades before finally producing a turbofan engine.

 

[xbat]

China produced turbojets for many decades before finally producing a turbofan engine.

so what? it is probably for necessity of their own. size is also important. when the mass gets bigger it is hard to manufacture parts cause of centrifugal force.

 

[UKBengali]

so what? it is probably for necessity of their own. size is also important. when the mass gets bigger it is hard to manufacture parts cause of centrifugal force.

Ok.

 

[ARMalik]

Good on Turkey for a fantastic achievement.

 

[xbat]

i am expecting from new jet or at least it should be able to carry
-4 A2A missiles, or
-2 MK83 bombs
-Radar
-EO sensors
-stealth shape with ew suit
basically shape should be like this, i dont expect revolutionary form, may be they should add horizontal stabilizer at tail

 

[Oublious]

i am expecting from new jet or at least it should be able to carry
-4 A2A missiles, or
-2 MK83 bombs
-Radar
-EO sensors
-stealth shape with ew suit
basically shape should be like this, i dont expect revolutionary form, may be they should add horizontal stabilizer at tail

should fire SOM missile....

 

[xbat]

of course if it is able to carry 2 MK83 (2x1000lbs) , it can carry 1 som in internal bay

 

[azyr]

Apart from being a wingman why else would you use jet propelled drones for? Wouldn't they be immensely expensive to maintain in the air thus defeating the purpose of a drone?

Then again maybe SEAD missions could be more feasible with speed? Someone enlighten me please.

 

[cabatli_53]

for Göksungur My bet is on a some how similar shape with Avenger

Bro, Avenger’s shape can not reach supersonic speeds. Göksungur will have a loyal wingmen supersonic drone concept to escort Turkish TF-X fighters. They are going to carry electronic warfare sensors to suspension enemy radar and air defense batteries. The drone will introduce itself like big target something similar to a fighter (F-4/16) to be an open target while activating the electronic warfare sensors to jam them. When wingmen operation completed succesfully, The drones will land on airbases. The Göksungur will have a weight around 100kg and a speed of 1600km/h.

 

[dBSPL]

i am expecting from new jet or at least it should be able to carry
-4 A2A missiles, or
-2 MK83 bombs
-Radar
-EO sensors
-stealth shape with ew suit
basically shape should be like this, i dont expect revolutionary form, may be they should add horizontal stabilizer at tail

Following Aksungur, which emerged with the ANKA program, also TAI's strategic turbofan HALE UAV project will emerge in the coming years. (in documents showing the future strategy of the organization) On the other side, Baykar Akıncı will be equipped with more powerful engines to increase capacity and capabilities. A similar situation will apply to Aksungur, and she will not fly with 220/250hp engines always.

Baykar also has one turbofan UCAV project under MIUS project. Our expectation is to see concept drawings of Baykar MIUS like Göksungur, very soon. These are the steps that Turkish aviation must complete before producing a fully autonomous fighter jet. In post 2030 period, this issue will be one of the main agenda items of Turkish aviation.

Now the question is; While Turkey's UAV projects was quite lingered(or stuck) between 2010-2018, how has come to this speed? As well as main systems engineering, this shows that how Turkey worked hard on sub-components, avionics packages and design capabilities that are maked up the common infrastructure of these vehicles. We have a growing library of our own engineering solutions.

 

[Quasar]

Bro, Avenger’s shape can not reach supersonic speeds. Göksungur will have a loyal wingmen supersonic drone concept to escort Turkish TF-X fighters. They are going to carry electronic warfare sensors to suspension enemy radar and air defense batteries. The drone will introduce itself like big target something similar to a fighter (F-4/16) to be an open target while activating the electronic warfare sensors to jam them. When wingmen operation completed succesfully, The drones will land on airbases. The Göksungur will have a weight around 100kg and a speed of 1600km/h.

totally true! guess sometimes over excitement hinders your ability to think rationally and cause memory loss! '' it was already announced a time ago that Göksungur will have a weight around 100kg and a speed of 1600km/h

 

[xbat]

100 kg lık uçağın bu kadar tantana yapacağını sanmıyorum, sanırım başka bir proje ile karıştırılıyor.

Konu ile ilgili en bilgilendiric kaynak ekteki linkte, buraya göre bunlar 2 farklı proje

https://www.haberturk.com/yazarlar/guntay-simsek-1019/2496958-tusastan-supersonik-iha

 

[azza]

I think there's confusion. Göksungur will fly at a speed of 380 km.