The moment i see your rhetoric, i got your mentality thanks to the cumulativeness in the books of the human history and my short experience; That is why i reject to ''inform first, debate later'' kinda stance, and still do; Otherwise, My time and effort would end just like the
@ANMDT did with you.(Either shift the topic or if confronted/cornered more, then just shut yourself with a key word ''speculation'' in the end)
This basically sums it up. So far you haven't added anything of value between our exchanges, other than trying to take the discussion some place else, and ironically accuse me of shifting the topic.
I wrote two paragraphs about your thought process, and was hoping that you would actually write a solid argument as to why I am was wrong here (and to be honest, I really was hoping that I would be wrong here as well). But you haven't even responded to that. You haven't responded substantively to any of my arguments and the points I was trying to make. And I think that is because you assumed I was like you, but from the opposite side of the spectrum, or that I was a BMC fan or something. But I have made it clear that from the start that I am not here to defend BMC, but was trying to shed light on the perception involving BMC and the reason behind this perception. In other words, I was trying to highlight the root cause. But you failed to, or refused to see that.
And no, I didn't shut myself with the word "speculation", my stance from the very start was to show that it was all speculation, slander and FUD. And even wrote down the root cause behind it. But you are either unable to see it, or are refusing to see it (maybe you haven't even read it, I don't know). But I think this is due to you seeing me as a rival, because I am challenging your perception of reality/biases and refuse to believe what I wrote. You don't believe what I wrote, that is fair enough and it's entirely your choice. I mean, why should you trust me, I am just a random guy on the internet. But at least read what's written down and try to understand what I am trying to say before jumping to conclusions and writing incoherent responses.
The same BMC still needs multi national-cooperation, privitization, financial bonuses, fixed tenders, delays, workers, engineers etc. *(and also the words of the owner) only for a single product to produce does obviously miss the good old days, but raises credible doubts about the reason(s) behind this for the sake of the country and nation that is literally in a war right now.
Needing multi-national cooperation, financial bonuses, worker, engineers, and stuff like that, everyone company needs that. That is how business is done. That is what healthy business is.
Fixed tenders, yeah, that is slander (not even speculation). If it isn't, then you are more than welcome to prove it. Otherwise, 'innocent until proven guilty'. I have written about this in my previous posts by the way, and dived deeper into the topic, it's obvious that it isn't able to convince you (that is fair enough btw, you believe what you want). But you at least should know my stance on it, so what is the point of bringing it back up again? Then you shouldn't be surprised if you get the same responses out of me.
Apparently, you do not have those credible doubts, therefore ask you why, but you keep answering by emotion not intelligence just raises the doubts more in this chit chat; and of course dents your credibility as well.
How do you know that I don't have credible doubts? That is quite an assumption. And how do you know I haven't done my due diligence before forming my opinion? I have actually went quite into detail as to why I believe what I believe, and refuse to be manipulated by smear campaigns. Only if I have credible information about something, will I actually believe it. Otherwise I will always give people the benefit of the doubt.
If someone were to come to me and say that something bad about you, you think I am going to take it at face value? I am not just going to believe them just because I might or might not like you. Sure, it might raise some doubts, but I will also doubt the person that said those negative things about you as well. Maybe that guy isn't to be trusted. Like I said, due diligence, otherwise I will be at the whims of manipulators.
Let's check it out again...
Will the BMC bring any permanent value for the sake of the country and nation in the long term after the money earned in the Altay tank deal?
Why? I was pretty clear and explicit the last time.
Ps: * Ethem Sancak: "Aslen Arabım. Ben Türk olmaktan mutluluk duymam, üzülürüm."
Good for him. And by saying this, you are exactly doing the very thing I am trying to warn about, it's ironic to say the least. Trying to character assassinate him has nothing much to do about BMC and it's operations and the effectivity of the company. The fact that BMC has provided Turkey with it's products, our army with Kirpi's, and the fact that Sancak bought BMC that was actually bankrupt, says more about his character than some quote does.
And have you also fact checked on whether the quote is even true? And if so, when did he say it? And if yes, does he still feel the same way about it, or does he have a different opinion now? And even if he did say it, and still feels the same way about it, does it really matter? And if so, why does it matter? Don't allow yourself be manipulated by stuff like that.
If you are ever on facebook or twitter etc. you see quotes like this all the time from various people and leaders (Erdogan, Kilicdaroglu, Bahceli, etc). And most of the time it's fake, or ripped out of context. But people blindly believe it anyway. Same goes for pictures, without even knowing the actual story behind the pic, manipulators write whatever story they wish to trick and fool people into believing them.
And then you are going to wonder why Turkey has such a high corruption
perception index. It's because our perception is being targeted because of political rivalism.
