Let me correct it then :
I dont have any hopes on BMC that they will complete the project with the current resources, and budget. They will be granted by anything for sake of completing the project, meanwhile their profit will be assured by government. They will be granted by any rights, any oppurtinity, if needed even staff from other factories will be delivered to theirs, they will indeed will complete and should complete.
But the point is, everyone is aware of the situation with BMC so you may stop mumbling about how you have hopes on. Anyone with a little bit of technical background knowledge, and rational thinking , would easily conclude that BMC isnt the company that deserves it.
No the point is, that everyone that thinks they are aware of the situation, but their 'facts' are all based on conjecture. The real point is that there is no way of knowing how BMC is operating, unless you are part of the management at BMC, or a thorough report has been written and published about BMC's effectivity and efficiency.
Sorry, but I take SSB's conclusion over your opinion any day. It was also SSB that gave the Altay tender to Otokar back in 2007, while everyone knew it was FNSS that was more qualified. Otokar eventually did a great job, so the people at SSM/SSB have a good judgement regarding this project. Not to mention they have more information about the Altay project, BMC, etc. then we will ever have. So you'll have to excuse me if I trust SSB just a little more than I trust you.
I repeat again, we are not manufacturing toys but tanks, you may not simply trust a start up like greedy company for this critical project just because they look promising.
For God's sake they dont have factory, they dont have engineers, they dont have employers, technicians ( well trained and suitable for Altay) but you do still believe they deserve this project because of their aggressive strategy and their soo perfect management team? This is BS but nothing, you can not point a single example in the entire history of world where a company won a tender without even a factory or staff.
You are kidding right? In big tenders like this, the investment in factories or freeing space in factories and making assembly lines always come after the tender has concluded. It they would be start investing before the tender concluded, but end up losing, then it would only cost the company. So much so that the company could be in financial trouble or even go bankrupt. Like it or not, the company management has a responsibility to it's stake- stockholders etc. In the case of BMC, Otokar, FNSS we are all stakeholders, Turkey as a whole is a stakeholder of these companies. So they aren't in a position to make stupid mistakes like that. Even if Otokar or FNSS had won the tender, they would've still have to make room in their factories or build a new factory as well, because it's bad business to they have empty factory space as that only drives up costs.
And why can't I just simply trust them? Why shouldn't I be optimistic? What's the point of being pessimistic? I only would distrust them if I saw something that would merit me distrusting them, otherwise I will always give them the benefit of the doubt.
Afterall, the company is half foreign invested, and collaborated with German companies, everyone knows how Germans and Qataris may treat us upon some crisis.
The investors behind the company is irrelevant, sermaye dusmanligi yapmaya gerek yok. The company is a Turkish company, no sanctions from Germany or Qatar can influence BMC's output. And if push would come to shove, the Turkish government could always simply nationalize the company.
A company which has proper resources may follow an aggressive strategy to grow up, if BMC had all human resources, they might design their own tank ( like otokar did) and sell it to foreign countries, or like Adik did, they could promote their products. You may not simply follow an aggessive strategy on a Tank which is critical to be in service in 5 years, this requires a solid base to grow on not an aggressive strategy. Agressive refers to a case,where you are capable of handling something properly and then stepping forward to gron on That, yet BMC has nothing regared to a Tank and we need it urgently.
Rights of all Martys will be asked upon you, and people thinking like you , the martys who have gone because Altays havent delivered on time but fought in M60s
Why can't they simply follow an aggressive business strategy? It's a sound strategy proven to have been working all over the world, has also bad examples but that is with any strategy. I don't understand why you are obsessing over this so much. It's just the strategy BMC has adopted. The serial production of the tank is a separate process, and you claim that they aren't capable of doing so. SSB does seem to think they are capable so I'm going to trust SSB's judgement on this. And yeah, the production of the tank is going slow in my opinion as well. But I am aware that I am not aware of all the facts regarding this issue, so I am not going to step over the line by claiming that they are messing up.
My personal favorite for the tender was FNSS, second favorite was BMC and third was Otokar. My rationale for putting Otokar last, was because Otokar has the know-how of building a tank. So I wanted one the other two companies to win so that they would get the know-how as well. And the reason I put FNSS first was because, in my opinion, FNSS has the best ability to innovate out of the three and was hoping that FNSS would win the tender and in the future come up with Altay derivatives and Altay A2's or something. But ultimately I wouldn't have minded any of them winning the tender as all three of these companies is ours.
And they will keep ignoring it, thanks to their ignorance. Public doesnt have any opinion about BMC,they simply can relate that the company might be adequate but people in here aware of the situation, which is worse, they are blindly saying that BMC is doing right and its the best choice.
And i worry this corrupt will be spreading all over, i am really concerned that more factories and shipyards could be sold to private or even foreigners.
Seems like genclige hitabe has legit lines referring to this situation. I never expected it would come true this way.
I worry more about the mis-information being spread and the level of our politicians/media. Which is an
actual issue which causes polarization which is evident even in this thread.
Concerning privatization, in my opinion you shouldn't be afraid of that. Have an opinion about it sure, have a biased towards privatization or state-owned, that's fine too. But just be aware that both privatizing and state-ownership both have their pro's and con's.
