I know about the construction being halted, Ismail Demir interview came after this and touched upon the issue. And unless he or some other official says it's confirmed to be cancelled, we can only assume it's only been halted/paused for the time being.
Claiming that BMC is winning these tenders by being corrupt is pure speculation. To be honest, there is no one that knows if there is corruption involved, so any claims to corruption would simply be slander at this point and not to mention attacking the credibility and dignity of the people at SSB and everyone else involved in the tender processes. But that is the whole point behind it anyway. The one's claiming this, aren't doing so because they themselves believe it. They are doing it so others will believe it. And think about it, if there was actual corruption involved, then Otokar and FNSS would've complained and taken it to court for the cancelation of the tender (ihale'ye fesat karistirmak, vesayre). Would've also been the case for any of the other tenders as well.
What do you mean? Having an aggressive strategy isn't good or bad, it just depends on the company profile, how they would position themselves and what they wish to achieve in the near future. So basically what I said was that BMC has adopted a strategy of aggressive growth relative to the competition.
Aggressive strategy can work in the defence industry as well. Think about it, if you look at Turkish defence industry, I would say the Turkish state also adopted an aggressive strategy. It started off with small projects, produce under license, and step by step they have/are started with Original Equipment Manufacturing (OEM). Currently they are at 65% local production but wish to take in to 80%+ with all strategic equipment being locally developed, or at the very least have the know how to develop it if the need would arise.
If you look at industry frontrunner Aselsan, compare it with 5, 10 or 15+ years ago it has multiplied it's own size. And TAI also has a fairly aggressive strategy, it wants to grow it's turnover from 2 billion to 10 billion $ in 5 or 10 years (can't remember the exact years). All this is a reflection of the aggressive expansion strategy of the Turkish defence industry as a whole. Because TAI and Aselsan can't reach these growth target if the domestic TR industry doesn't supplement it.
Our industry had a 2 billion $ export target in 2018, which it has reached according to Ismail Demir. They are targeting 25 billion $ by 2023, which Ismail Demir himself admits is very ambitious. So I would say the Turkish defence industry itself has an aggressive strategy and so far it has worked out.
No offence, but just because you don't trust them doesn't mean they aren't trustworthy. The only reason for this mistrust is because of politics. I went more in depth on this topic in post #4219, in which I talked about "FUD".
You don't have high hopes for BMC and think they will fail, from what I understand from your post.
I'm not going to defend them, because I don't know. Personally I think they can handle it, judging off of how they are handling the engine projects, Kirpi's, etc. But ultimately I don't know and only time will tell, I do wish they will accomplish their tasks though.
And if they do end up failing, then you can say: "I told you so".
Let me correct it then :
I dont have any hopes on BMC that they will complete the project with the current resources, and budget. They will be granted by anything for sake of completing the project, meanwhile their profit will be assured by government. They will be granted by any rights, any oppurtinity, if needed even staff from other factories will be delivered to theirs, they will indeed will complete and should complete.
But the point is, everyone is aware of the situation with BMC so you may stop mumbling about how you have hopes on. Anyone with a little bit of technical background knowledge, and rational thinking , would easily conclude that BMC isnt the company that deserves it.
I repeat again, we are not manufacturing toys but tanks, you may not simply trust a start up like greedy company for this critical project just because they look promising.
For God's sake they dont have factory, they dont have engineers, they dont have employers, technicians ( well trained and suitable for Altay) but you do still believe they deserve this project because of their aggressive strategy and their soo perfect management team? This is BS but nothing, you can not point a single example in the entire history of world where a company won a tender without even a factory or staff.
Afterall, the company is half foreign invested, and collaborated with German companies, everyone knows how Germans and Qataris may treat us upon some crisis.
A company which has proper resources may follow an aggressive strategy to grow up, if BMC had all human resources, they might design their own tank ( like otokar did) and sell it to foreign countries, or like Adik did, they could promote their products. You may not simply follow an aggessive strategy on a Tank which is critical to be in service in 5 years, this requires a solid base to grow on not an aggressive strategy. Agressive refers to a case,where you are capable of handling something properly and then stepping forward to gron on That, yet BMC has nothing regared to a Tank and we need it urgently.
Rights of all Martys will be asked upon you, and people thinking like you , the martys who have gone because Altays havent delivered on time but fought in M60s
We have been talking about all the corruption while completely ignoring this factor, everyone acts as if BMC will have success on their ambitions which still remains to be seen.
What we have seen so far doesnt look good at all tbh.
And they will keep ignoring it, thanks to their ignorance. Public doesnt have any opinion about BMC,they simply can relate that the company might be adequate but people in here aware of the situation, which is worse, they are blindly saying that BMC is doing right and its the best choice.
And i worry this corrupt will be spreading all over, i am really concerned that more factories and shipyards could be sold to private or even foreigners.
Seems like genclige hitabe has legit lines referring to this situation. I never expected it would come true this way.
