Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

[UkroTurk]

Otokar offers a tank with german engine! Where is the pros of being %100 national company?
BMC with foreigner shareholders offers a built tank plus engine.
BMC happens to fulfit requirements.
If the engine and tank together are produced in Turkey, there is no need to be a panic.

 

[Hexciter]

There are claims that Altay tank will be produced in the new asymmetrical warfare configuration which was introduced in IDEF 2017.

https://twitter.com/x/status/962055771528732672

 

[HannibalBarca]

We can make it in the same shape. That's what I meant.

ps. I wish we could cut the glacis plate and change it with composite armor. Simply adding ERA on top of the glacis plate reduces the gun depression, I'd rather not have that.

Aselsan upgrade

 

[OguzSenturk]

I didn't like M60 Fırat prototype, it has shot-traps.

We don't even know what will aselsan do. You probably meant this

http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/urunl...ozumleri/balistik-koruma-merkezi-bkm-projesi/
This is Roketsan's solution. Aselsan may adobt that desing, but probably will go with their own.

 

[cabatli_53]

Aselsan upgrade

Roketsan is currently working on M60 !

 

[LegionnairE]

Aselsan upgrade

This is the prototype I saw earlier:

regardless,

in a mountainous country like Turkey, gun depression is important, if we could modify the glacis plate without reducing the angle in which the gun can operate, it could be more costly but it would be much better.

We don't even know what will aselsan do. You probably meant this

http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/urunl...ozumleri/balistik-koruma-merkezi-bkm-projesi/
This is Roketsan's solution. Aselsan may adobt that desing, but probably will go with their own.

I hope we get one without huge shot traps.

 

[xenon54 out]

gun depression

Whats that?

 

[HannibalBarca]

This is the prototype I saw earlier:

regardless,
View attachment 452950

in a mountainous country like Turkey, gun depression is important, if we could modify the glacis plate without reducing the angle in which the gun can operate, it could be more costly but it would be much better.


I hope we get one without huge shot traps.

Give an exemple of that "gun depression" with a sabra one...

 

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Roketsan is currently working on M60 !

They going with Ukainianian ERA?

 

[blackeyes90]

Whats that?

limited gun depression on a tank is something an enemy can take advantage of. Several russian tanks have this problem too.
For example the russian tank is coming over the hill, but can only fire after exposing their underside.
alternatively A german Leo 2 tank with good gun depression can shoot downwards, and remain hull down, protecting half their body. Bad gun depression means the tank has to expose more of itself to shoot.

This is because the turret roof stops the breech (loading part) from going up. Like a see-saw. Like this. In thıs picture you have good depression. You can engage enemy target without expose your frontal armour or your lower plate.

You should start play World of Tanks bro

 

[HannibalBarca]

limited gun depression on a tank is something an enemy can take advantage of. Several russian tanks have this problem too.
For example the russian tank is coming over the hill, but can only fire after exposing their underside.
alternatively A german Leo 2 tank with good gun depression can shoot downwards, and remain hull down, protecting half their body. Bad gun depression means the tank has to expose more of itself to shoot.

This is because the turret roof stops the breech (loading part) from going up. Like a see-saw. Like this. In thıs picture you have good depression. You can engage enemy target without expose your frontal armour or your lower plate.

You should start play World of Tanks bro

But it'salready made into the tank? I mean you can't tweak it? the manufacturer already gave an Up and Down lock..;so I don't think it could be upgraded... and if it did..; it will be limited in the case of M60...

 

[UkroTurk]

This is the prototype I saw earlier:

regardless,
View attachment 452950

in a mountainous country like Turkey, gun depression is important, if we could modify the glacis plate without reducing the angle in which the gun can operate, it could be more costly but it would be much better.


I hope we get one without huge shot traps.

Still we dont know what kind of reactive armour Roketsan has used.
This plates are said to be unexplosive reactive armour because their size and thickness.

 

[blackeyes90]

But it'salready made into the tank? I mean you can't tweak it? the manufacturer already gave an Up and Down lock..;so I don't think it could be upgraded... and if it did..; it will be limited in the case of M60...

Honestly i dont know that much. But logic dictates that if you want better gun depression you either improve turret. By improving i meant making the turret longer. But if you do that tanks silluette will be longer ergo tank will be easier target. Or if you can move the turrent ring in front of the tank gun depression will also improve. But that choise need alot of R-D. By the way Merkava's gun depression is really bad because turret had to built in the rear end of the tank because of engine block being in the front and emergency exit being on the back. Sorry for my bad english

Comparison ;
Merkava MK4's gun depression is 7 Degrees.
Leopard2A4 and M1A2's gun depression is 10 degrees.

 

[Blackwolf12]

I don believe that those are shot traps as you suggest. ERA doesn’t completely deflect the round.ERA’s job is simply to render the round/missile useless against the composite armour underneath it.

limited gun depression on a tank is something an enemy can take advantage of. Several russian tanks have this problem too.
For example the russian tank is coming over the hill, but can only fire after exposing their underside.
alternatively A german Leo 2 tank with good gun depression can shoot downwards, and remain hull down, protecting half their body. Bad gun depression means the tank has to expose more of itself to shoot.

This is because the turret roof stops the breech (loading part) from going up. Like a see-saw. Like this. In thıs picture you have good depression. You can engage enemy target without expose your frontal armour or your lower plate.

You should start play World of Tanks bro

 

[Hexciter]

Honestly i dont know that much. But logic dictates that if you want better gun depression you either improve turret. By improving i meant making the turret longer. But if you do that tanks silluette will be longer ergo tank will be easier target. Or if you can move the turrent ring in front of the tank gun depression will also improve. But that choise need alot of R-D. By the way Merkava's gun depression is really bad because turret had to built in the rear end of the tank because of engine block being in the front and emergency exit being on the back. Sorry for my bad english

Comparison ;
Merkava MK4's gun depression is 7 Degrees.
Leopard2A4 and M1A2's gun depression is 10 degrees.

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