What's new

Why Shia and "secular" Muslims call Sunni's they don't like Wahabi/Salafi?

Status
Not open for further replies.

kalu_miah

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Jan 4, 2009
Messages
6,475
Reaction score
17
Country
Bangladesh
Location
United States
I have noticed this phenomenon lately. Mostly people who belong to Shia sect. and people who are more "secular" Muslims, will paint all Sunni Muslims with a broad brush, specifically those that oppose the Shia agenda of Shia supremacy or "secular" agenda of some "secular Muslims" who actually want to reduce and perhaps end Islamic influence in their society.

And then there are non-Muslims, like Hindu's and Christians who would pick this up from the above two groups and use the same words to put down majority Sunni Muslims. Of course the strategy here is to use the internal division within Muslims (Shia/Sunni and secular/Islamist) to weaken Muslim unity and solidarity, so that is very much understandable.

What can be done to counter this phenomenon?

Definitely not all Sunni's are Salafi and not all Salafi's are promoting violence and terrorism. So why this generalization and name calling, specially from some Shia and "secular" Muslims and specially using the derogatory word "Wahabi"?
 
. .
Well I dont exactly what is wahabi and what is salafi, technically. Its muslims who say... oh its not us who are terrorists, its those bloody wahabis.. So we are repeating the same, what we are told...
nobody has told us shia islam has anything to do with terrorism.
Also not a single instance of terrorism that has been linked to shias in India, as far as I know.
 
.
I have noticed this phenomenon lately. People who belong to Shia sect. and people who are more "secular" Muslims, will paint all Sunni Muslims with a broad brush, specifically those that oppose the Shia agenda of Shia supremacy or "secular" agenda of some "secular Muslims" who actually want to reduce and perhaps end Islamic influence in their society.

And then there are non-Muslims, like Hindu's and Christians who would pick this up from the above two groups and use the same words to put down majority Sunni Muslims. Of course the strategy here is to use the internal division within Muslims (Shia/Sunni and secular/Islamist) to weaken Muslim unity and solidarity, so that is very much understandable.

What can be done to counter this phenomenon?

Definitely not all Sunni's are Salafi and not all Salafi's are promoting violence and terrorism. So why this generalization and name calling, specially from Shia and "secular" Muslims and specially using the derogatory word "Wahabi"?

7abibi the question should rather be why we Sunnis Muslims who form 90% of all the worlds approximately 2 billion Muslims even care what a tiny minority of about 5-10% (Shia) even have to say about us?

I for once could not care less and I know that the vast majority have the exact same opinion. Besides there is no reason to paint all Shias with the same brush. There are normal Shias and then there are those who are influenced and in bed with the fake wannabe Arab Iranian Mullah's whose dream is domination of the Muslim world through meddling in the Arab world, support of proxies and trying to divide us Sunni Muslims.

Anyway let the trolling begin, I am out.
 
.
7abibi the question should rather be why we Sunnis Muslims who form 90% of all the worlds approximately 2 billion Muslims even care what a tiny minority of about 5-10% (Shia) even have to say about us?

I for once could not care less and I know that the vast majority have the exact same opinion. Besides there is no reason to paint all Shias with the same brush. There are normal Shias and then there are those who are influenced and in bed with the fake wannabe Arab Iranian Mullah's whose dream is domination of the Muslim world through meddling in the Arab world, support of proxies and trying to divide us Sunni Muslims.

Anyway let the trolling begin, I am out.

Yes bro, Shia's cannot be generalized either and lumped together with the mad Mullah's of Iran, the people supporting this regime and their proxies in Arab world. Hope someday the Shia's over throw this idiot regime who is hollowing out not just their own country's future but spreading misery and death all over Arab Mid-east.
 
.
Yes bro, Shia's cannot be generalized either and lumped together with the mad Mullah's of Iran, the people supporting this regime and their proxies in Arab world. Hope someday the Shia's over throw this idiot regime who is hollowing out not just their own country's future but spreading misery and death all over Arab Mid-east.

Exactly. Besides we Arab Sunnis and Shias have lived peacefully among each other for centuries. Nobody was killing each other on the Arabian Peninsula or the Arab world based on sects aside from a few very small incidents here and there each decade or so which was part of fights for power and influence. Nor is that the case today.

The story completely changed after 1979 and we all know what happened that year. Anyway there is a process of dealing with that problem in the Arab and Muslim world to get ride of that cancer right now and I am sure that it will be successful.

Also the problems are only confined to countries where those fake wannabe Arab Iranian Mullahs had succeeded in installing proxies such as in Lebanon, Syria (Child-Murderers Pagan family) and Iraq. I heard that they also tried in Pakistan.

Thankfully you guys in Bangladesh don't have that problem at all. Be grateful for that.
 
.
The issue is indeed, why is everyone so obsessed.

If Iraq, Iran, the 2 main majoos countries are so weak then quit the worries, if Iraq is Irans proxies then GCC is the proxy of America.
 
. .
The issue is indeed, why is everyone so obsessed.

If Iraq, Iran, the 2 main majoos countries are so weak then quit the worries, if Iraq is Irans proxies then GCC is the proxy of America.

Since when has Iraq become Iran or since when have Iraq appointed a Supreme Ayatollah nonsense figurehead as its ruler? 40 percent of all Iraqis are Sunnis. Majority of all Iraq was Sunni when it lands were still a part of 3 Ottoman provinces. Al-Anbar was not part of those 3 provinces but most of Iraq was and we all know that Al-Anbar has always been Sunni.

In fact it was Shias from current day Eastern Province of KSA and parts of Southern Iraq (mainly around Karbala, Najaf) who were behind the mass conversions from Sunni to Shia Islam of the Arab tribes. Earlier it were the Safavids who conquered Baghdad and killed many thousands of Muslims and forcibly tried to convert people to that minority sect.

Go say that you dream of Iraq being ruled by an Iranian Supreme Ayatollah or Iran annexing Iraq in Al-Anbar, Ninawa, Diyala or Salah ad-Din and see what happens.

Besides the problem is the "Iranian Shia Islamic revolution" that they have tried to export to other countries since 1979. In fact they succeeded partially in Iraq where we all know how many Shia militias, politicians, religious figures etc. are loyal to those hideous creatures.

If GCC is a proxy of USA then all Muslim countries are that including Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia etc. since they all have good relations with USA. Not to mention Turkey which are even a NATO member and most Arab countries including Iraq which is not exactly anti-American too....
 
. .
Since when has Iraq become Iran or since when have Iraq appointed a Supreme Ayatollah nonsense figurehead as its ruler? 40 percent of all Iraqis are Sunnis. 80% of all Iraq was Sunni when it was still a Ottoman process. In fact it was Shias from the current day Eastern Province of KSA and parts of Southern Iraq (mainly around Karbala, Najaf) who were behind the mass conversions from Sunni to Shia Islam of the Arab tribes. Earlier it were the Safavids who conquered Baghdad and killed many thousands of Muslims and forcibly tried to convert people to that minority sect.

Go say that you dream of Iraq being ruled by an Iranian Supreme Ayatollah or Iran annexing Iraq in Al-Anbar, Ninawa, Diyala or Salah ad-Din and see your reply.

Besides the problem is the "Iranian Shia Islamic revolution" that they have tried to export to other countries since 1979. In fact they succeeded partially in Iraq where we all know how many Shia militias, politicians, religious figures etc. are loyal to those hideous creatures.

If GCC is a proxy of USA then all Muslim countries are that including Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia etc. since they all have good relations with USA. Not to mention Turkey which are even a NATO member and most Arab countries including Iraq which is not exactly anti-American too....

You all call Iraq a Safavid proxy, so we will call it Safavid aswell if people want to hear that.
0% of Iraq was muslim before they invaded so it does not matter what the ratios were in history.
Religions have always been changing.

If Iraq is a proxy of Iran then GCC is the proxy of the US, atleast no one here can tell me that Qatar and Kuwait are not US proxies.

Anyway, why is the topic starter so worried about this, people need to tell him that shias are a minority everyday on this forum to keep him happy knowing hes "stronger". Too bad its not just him.
 
.
Let do a simple thought experiment.

Consider muslim to be a set say M

Next define constituent of that set

Set M:{ Fundamentalist Shia,Fundamentalist Sunni , Secular Shia, Secular Sunni}

Now first subtract Shia from this set

You are left with

M:{Secular Sunni, Fundamentalist Sunni}

Next Subtract Secular from the mix, you are left with

M:{Fundamentalist Sunni}



So a question for the OP or anyone who is in agreement with him?

What is left of Muslims when you subtract both Shias and Seculars from them except a daughter stoning, suicide bombing cünt.


Food for thought.


Especially for you @al-Hasani since you are not stupid but seem to be in agreement with OP (probably without realizing it) when he is grouping your sect with criminals.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
.
@Cheetah786 - Listen mate, lets end this Sunni-Shia Feud once & for all through a food eating contest ! :azn:

You & Me with about 30 kg worth of Kastoori Kebabs & around 3 dozen Afghani Naan - Lets see who eats all of that first ? :)

May the best Muslim Win ! :smokin:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
.
You all call Iraq a Safavid proxy, so we will call it Safavid aswell if people want to hear that.
0% of Iraq was muslim before they invaded so it does not matter what the ratios were in history.

If Iraq is a proxy of Iran then GCC is the proxy of the US, atleast no one here can tell me that Qatar and Kuwait are not US proxies.

Anyway, why is the topic starter so worried about this, people need to tell him that shias are a minority everyday on this forum to keep him happy knowing hes "stronger". Too bad its not just him.

You are welcome to find me a post where I mention the words Safavid and Iraq in the same sentence. Besides the Safavids in Iraq know who they are and Muslims know who they are too. So I don't need to mention them. In fact I already gave you a clue in my past post.

Qatar and Kuwait are small countries, together they don't even equal to a province in Iraq. Try to compare apples and oranges next time. Besides they can do whatever they like. What exactly is wrong with their cooperation with USA? Your own government did it. Even under Saddam. 99,9% of all Muslims countries do it. Some are even NATO member states (Turkey). Why all the focus on Kuwait and Qatar? American bases you will next say. So what? You have American bases in England, Germany, Japan and elsewhere. Kuwait and Qatar are allied with the US and rather them than Russia or Iran. Any sane person would conclude the same. You yourself have cried about how Iraq should try to get better relations with USA and the West so they can sell you better weapons....

The topic starter is not talking about who is stronger than the other and who has most influence and who has shaped the Islamic history etc. because we all know that this is Arab Sunnis mainly.

He is talking about those Shia Muslims who use different code names for Sunnis who are not in bed with the fake wannabe Arab Iranian Mullah stooges and their allies. When we reply in the same manner they cry. Anyway I don't care about them. We barely share anything with them like most Muslims. Why should I care? I don't make pilgrimages to Qom, Mashhad, Najaf or Karbala but Makkah and Madinah. I don't consider the fake Supreme Ayatollah that is ruling from Tehran as a spiritual father and religious leader whom I follow as a blind sheep.
 
.
Seriously, stop creating 'Shia consipiracy theories'. It's like the fifth thread.
We all know that not all Sunnis are Salafists, it's clear as daylight.Thanks for stating the obvious.
 
.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom