The Lucknow (India) connection to Shia vs Sunni violence

[notsuperstitious]

I remember reading it was some retaliation against the Burma issue, the same reason why the IM tried to blow up the Bodhi Tree at Bodh Gaya. (The most sacred pilgrimage site for Buddhists).

They not only attacked a Buddha statue, they also attacked a Mahaveera statue (Jain faith) because they apparently have no clue what is what. For these retarded wahhabi dingbats, a statue is a statue and must be attacked as per their glorious tradition.

Oppressed minority of India demanding and end to oppression

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I remember reading it was some retaliation against the Burma issue, the same reason why the IM tried to blow up the Bodhi Tree at Bodh Gaya. (The most sacred pilgrimage site for Buddhists).

That as well. Lots of Morons went ballistic after false rumors of the Rohingyas etc were circulated.

 

[AugenBlick]

They not only attacked a Buddha statue, they also attacked a Mahaveera statue (Jain faith) because they apparently have no clue what is what. For these retarded wahhabi dingbats, a statue is a statue and must be attacked as per their glorious tradition.

Oppressed minority of India demanding and end to oppression

Badi secular bheed doing secular work.

 

[Cheetah786]

The religion on peace at work again . This world could have been a far far far far better place without Muslim's . Leave my city alone you crazy pigs . I miss this statue . I used to visit it with my friends when I was in India .

The religion of peace at work again . This world could have been a far far far far better place without Muslim's . Leave my city alone you crazy pigs . I miss this statue . I used to visit it with my friends when I was in India .

Again what does Islam has to do with Saudi petro dollars? Indian intelligence agencies were well aware of this but since this will weaken pakistan it was allowed to continue.

Abii whats the difference between taking cheap shots at Islam and trying to destroy the Buddha statue?

 

[kaykay]

Shia Muslims are peaceful people and compartively richer than sunnis. They hardly involve in any type of violence or yahoogiri atleast in India.

 

[Chronos]

Again what does Islam has to do with Saudi petro dollars? Indian intelligence agencies were well aware of this but since this will weaken pakistan it was allowed to continue.

Abii whats the difference between taking cheap shots at Islam and trying to destroy the Buddha statue?

I think it is more to do with the fact that they are inbred knuckle draggers than anything.

The fact that they can't differentiate between Mahaveera and Buddha underscores my point.

 

[Dubious]

India funding terrorism?! And we are always trolled about it here on PDF

 

[notsuperstitious]

India funding terrorism?! And we are always trolled about it here on PDF

10 out of 10 for comprehension skill.

 

[Dubious]

The Lucknow connection

A city madrasa in India could have something to do with sharpening of Shia-Sunni tensions
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It may shock many Indians to know that the massacre of the Shia in Pakistan since 2002 has been caused by edicts of apostatisation issued by a madrasa of Lucknow. One may also connect the trauma of sectarian killings in Iraq today to a fund moved from Lucknow in the 18th century to construct the Hindia Canal that turned the desiccated Shia shrines of Najaf and Karbala into agricultural land, seducing Sunni nomadic tribes into settling down as Shia farmers, and thus converting Iraq into a Shia-majority country.

A recent report on Sunni-Shia riots in Lucknow, appearing in Muslims in Indian Cities: Trajectories of Marginalisation (2012) by Laurent Gayer and Christophe Jaffrelot (editors), speaks of the current Muslim-versus-Muslim sectarian riots in a city where literary Urdu was born at the hands of three great classical poets, Anees, Dabeer and Mir, all of them Shia. Speaking this language in a chaste accent, the majority Sunni Muslims of Lucknow fight sanguinary battles with Shias during the month of Muharram.

In his paper in the above book, “A Minority within a Minority: The Shias of Kashmiri Mohalla, Lucknow”, Gilles Verniers tells us: “Lucknow is a city of hills and dales, where altitude once defined status. The rulers of Awadh, a Shia dynasty that established itself in the city in the late eighteenth century, distributed lands and properties to their administrators and courtiers in the higher reaches of the hills. The commoners, labourers and orderlies of the state and the court were concentrated in the lower parts, darker, more congested and prone to water logging.”

Then, between 1775 and 1778, Kashmiri Pandits migrated to the city as able administrators for Asaf-ud-Dowlah, the fourth Shia Nawab of Awadh, who had shifted his capital from Faizabad to Lucknow. They were soon joined by Muslim families, mostly Shias, who also hailed from Kashmir, and were directly or indirectly connected to the royal family and its court or served the Awadh state as high-ranking officials. Then came the British, cutting the mutinous Shia down to size after 1857. Fortunes declined in the 1950s after zamindari was abolished under land reforms and better-educated Hindus moved out to better jobs. This small area started mutating into a slum, covering an area of 12 sq km and housing a population of 39,319, mostly Shia Muslims.

Unfortunately, Lucknow has earned a bad name today, not because of Hindu-Muslim riots but Shia-Sunni violence among the poor Muslim community, reflecting, too, what is happening in Pakistan, Iraq and Syria today.

Following the 1979 Khomeini revolution in Iran, the Sunni Arabs of the Gulf and Saudi Arabia felt threatened by Iranian irredentism. They first approached Pakistani dictator Zia-ul-Haq, and then, of all places, Lucknow. Zia imposed a new tax (zakat) on Sunnis but included Shias too, which was not according to Islamic law, provoking the Shia to stage their first angry march on Islamabad.

Saudi Arabia then approached the Sunni head of the famous seminary, Nadwatul Ulema of Lucknow, to write two books to incite hatred of the Shia in the entire Islamic world. The first was a condemnation of Iran’s Imam Khomeini, and the second was a compilation of fatwas (edicts) from the madrasas of India and Pakistan declaring the Shia as kaafir and therefore liable to extermination for succumbing to apostasy.

In 1986, the Deobandi seminaries of Pakistan and India had issued fatwas of apostatisation against the Shia population and thus upheld the manifesto of Sipah-e-Sahaba, a party formed in 1985 in Pakistan on the basis of its demand that the Shia be declared non-Muslim by the state of Pakistan through an amendment to the constitution. The state had already set the precedence of apostatising a Muslim community, the Ahmadis, and declaring them non- Muslim under the second amendment of 1974.

The anti-Shia edicts (fatwas) were “managed” through a scholar of India, Manzur Numani, then head of Nadwatul Ulema of Lucknow, who had earlier written a book against Imam Khomeini and Iran. Funded by the Saudi charity Rabita Alam Islami (World Islamic League), he wrote to the Deobandi seminaries of India and Pakistan, asking them to give their juristic opinion on the Shia faith. The “masterpiece” he achieved came in the shape of a collection of fatwas printed serially in the Lucknow-based journal Al Furqan from December 1987 to July 1988.

Yoginder Sikand, a noted Indian scholar of Islam, laments: “Even madrasas considered somehow more ‘open’ and ‘modern’ are not free from the virus of sectarianism.One of the Nadwa’s leading teachers, Manzur Numani, penned numerous diatribes against the Shias in the wake of the Iranian Revolution, branding them as infidels and insisting that Shi’ism had nothing to do with ‘authentic’ Islam whatsoever.”

In 2003, when the first batch of the Shia Hazara community was massacred in Quetta, Balochistan, these fatwas of Lucknow were first distributed across the city. I noticed that pages from the book of Numani’s fatwas — which I possessed — had been photocopied, enlarged and distributed in the city before the massacre.

Now, a word about the nexus between Lucknow and the ongoing Iraqi implosion. The conversion of Iraqi Arabs was owed, among other factors, to the “bequests” that came from the Nawab of Awadh, who was to rule Lucknow, first rescuing a waterless and desiccated Najaf from death, through the construction of the “Hindia Canal” from the Euphrates, then through permanent stipends to the Shia jurists of the city. (Thanks to this lifesaving Indian canal, Najaf today has a surplus economy run by a cleric, now Grand Ayatollah, who migrated to Iraq from Jalandhar, India, in 1947.)

The fertility of the land around Najaf and Karbala, ruled then by Turkey, attracted the desert Arabs to agriculture, while the Ottoman bureaucracy encouraged them to own land so that tax could be collected from them. The well-endowed Iranian Shia jurists, threatened by repeated raids from the Wahhabis of Arabia against the Shrines of Najaf and Karbala, began to proselytise intensively among the Arab tribes till most of them converted.

In the 19th century, Iraq had already become a Shia-majority state. The one big factor was the corpse traffic (naql al-janaez) that accounted for nearly 20,000 dead bodies of Shias from Iran and India every year for the purpose of burial at the shrines of Najaf and Karbala. The practice was old and had stemmed from the hadith of the sixth Shia Imam Jafar al-Sadiq that “being next to Ali a day is more favourable than seven hundred years of worship”. The coming of the corpses had its own economics that attracted a lot of commerce to the city of Najaf.

Yitzhak Nakash, in his book The Shi’is of Iraq (1994), tells us that Lucknow gave more than a million rupees annually from the nawab’s treasury for the upkeep of the Shia shrines in Iraq. The money went to the Iranian Shia jurists settled around these shrines.

It is unfortunate that Shi’ism, which once informed the Muslim-Indian culture and also changed Hindu attitudes through its syncretic character, is now changing into a dogma that it never was. The Shia in Pakistan and India are rediscovering their faith as a schism that took place in early Islam and are readying themselves for a new armageddon.

The Lucknow connection | The Indian Express | Page 99

@Full Moon @Yzd Khalifa @al-Hasani An article loaded with history and Indian connection to both shi'ism and Iraq.

This article also explains the political phenomenon of Shia muslim's support for BJP in India and the fact that Lucknow's Shi’ite support BJP candidates in Lucknow.( Since other parties are competing for Sunni votes )

@SOHEIL @mohsen @haman10 @Sam1980 @rahi2357 @Serpentine @rmi5 @Ostad @Abii @Azizam @Gilamard @doritos @S00R3NA @Fotol @PrinceofPersia @kollang @Cheetah786 @ResurgentIran @Irfan Baloch @FaujHistorian @INDIC @MOHSENAM since most of you rarely post in Indian section.
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Damn them Indians exporting crap to Pakistan!

10 out of 10 for comprehension skill.

Let me guess you did not read OP...

 

[notsuperstitious]

Let me guess you did not read OP...

Let me guess you read an Indian Charity Rabita Alam Islami funded it...

As I said, 10 out of 10 for reading and comprehension.

 

[Dubious]

Let me guess you read an Indian Charity Rabita Alam Islami funded it...

As I said, 10 out of 10 for reading and comprehension.

I highlighted what I read in post 25 ...waht did you understand?

 

[INDIC]

Damn them Indians exporting crap to Pakistan!

Who was Ziaul Haq who promoted the rise of anti-Shia outfits after the Iranian revolution of 1979.

 

[Dubious]

Who was Ziaul Haq who promoted the rise of anti-Shia outfits after the Iranian revolution of 1979.

Dude do yourself a favour and read OP ...I am here to discuss OP not your insecurities!

 

[Contrarian]

Somehow, as a group Shias are better educated and more prosperous than Sunni's in India.

In any case, Indians should stay out of the Saudi-Iranian spat.

 

[Cheetah786]

I think it is more to do with the fact that they are inbred knuckle draggers than anything.

The fact that they can't differentiate between Mahaveera and Buddha underscores my point.

In west these retards are walking around in Arabic dresses which has nothing to do with Islam but they think dressing like Arabs is part of Islam .

And this is what Islams prophets said

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action

This is what prophet of Islam says about how to treating others.

Treat others justly so that no one would be unjust to you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds.(prophets last sermon)

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But instead of following Islam they are following Mullah petro

My point is simple They cant even tell what Islam is how do you expect them to respect others.

But on the other hand People who take cheap shots at Islam arent any better then these morons they are both extremist.