Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

[PiyaraPakistan]

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well bhai himmat aur befkoofi me faraq hota hai aur hum hindustani ye faraq achee tarah jante hain aur sahee mauke pe sahi jagah chot kerte hain aur aisa hamne kai baar kiya hai apke saath chinta mat karo jab sahi waqt ayega to wo guzarish bhi poori ker denge apki aur apke apne dosto se hi apko ye sabaq dilwayenge ...
recent example USA(your so called ''freinds not masters) and what it is doing in your own country and your establishemnt is showing criminal sielence over it ...hope u got my point sir

as a common citizen we have never ever claimed that American GOVTs are our friends, for your dhamki, play positive role for peaceful neighborhood warna hum kertay ziada hen oh kehtay kum hen.

 

[GURU DUTT]

as a common citizen we have never ever claimed that American GOVTs are our friends, for your dhamki, play positive role for peaceful neighborhood warna hum kertay ziada hen oh kehtay kum hen.

well hamne bare achhe se dekha hai apke kehne aur kerne ko ..khair wo ek doosri behes hai pakistan ko apni aukat samjhani chaiye aur apni hudood me rehker faisle kerne chaiye jisse uski mahashi taraqi ho na ki unse apna ghar to sambhalta nahi aur hum ko fateh kerne ke khwaab poore kerne ke liye pange lete rehte hain aapke apno ne 1948 me pange na liye hote to aaj kashmir apka hota
apke apne field marshal ne operation gibralter aur grand slam na kia hota to na to 1965 ki jang hoti aur aj hindustan aur pakistan dono achhe doston ki tarah mil ke taraqi ker rehe hote ...

pehle panga apne 1965 liye ki jiska jawab hamne apko 1971 me sood samet de diye fir apne 1999 me panga liya aur jiska hisab aaj abhi tak chukka rahe hain socho jab ABV bus leke lahore dosti ka paigam leke gaya tha agar tab aapke generals kargil na kerte to dubara kashmir ka masla sulajh hi chukka tha per kya hua aur uska kya nateeja nikla (nawaz had to go to washington with begging bowl for cease fire & USA became suspecious of you and came to owr fold and still helping us with economy and millitarry/wepons while killing your people in your own land)

so brother hum apni aukat jante hain aur waqt ke hirab se faisle kerte hain jabki aaj pakistan ka haal ye hai "na to karwan hi milla na wasal E sanam na idhar ke rahe na udhar ke hum"

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

well hamne bare achhe se dekha hai apke kehne aur kerne ko ..khair wo ek doosri behes hai pakistan ko apni aukat samjhani chaiye aur apni hudood me rehker faisle kerne chaiye jisse uski mahashi taraqi ho na ki unse apna ghar to sambhalta nahi aur hum ko fateh kerne ke khwaab poore kerne ke liye pange lete rehte hain aapke apno ne 1948 me pange na liye hote to aaj kashmir apka hota
apke apne field marshal ne operation gibralter aur grand slam na kia hota to na to 1965 ki jang hoti aur aj hindustan aur pakistan dono achhe doston ki tarah mil ke taraqi ker rehe hote ...

pehle panga apne 1965 liye ki jiska jawab hamne apko 1971 me sood samet de diye fir apne 1999 me panga liya aur jiska hisab aaj abhi tak chukka rahe hain socho jab ABV bus leke lahore dosti ka paigam leke gaya tha agar tab aapke generals kargil na kerte to dubara kashmir ka masla sulajh hi chukka tha per kya hua aur uska kya nateeja nikla (nawaz had to go to washington with begging bowl for cease fire & USA became suspecious of you and came to owr fold and still helping us with economy and millitarry/wepons while killing your people in your own land)

so brother hum apni aukat jante hain aur waqt ke hirab se faisle kerte hain jabki aaj pakistan ka haal ye hai "na to karwan hi milla na wasal E sanam na idhar ke rahe na udhar ke hum"

O bhai ap phir ziada keh gai ho, ab ager me is k against kuch kahoo ga ya koi or members from both sides a ker involve ho jayen gay to bat bohat lambi ho jaye, ap nay history ko apni ainak(Glasses) say dekha lakin history totally is k against hai, ap MashaAllah senior member hen bachon wali dhamkian na den. ager hum friendship mod me hen to isey change kernay ke koshish na keren, Allhamdulilah i am true Pakistani and i love my country, similarly you true indian and love india, ab hum apni countries say piyar he jatatay rahen gay ya kuch humanity ka bhi sochen gay?. Humen apni History ke buri yadon ko bhulana hai lakin heroes ko nahi.

now come to the topic. Pakistan can sink the Indian ACC.

 

[MKI 30]

now come to the topic. Pakistan can sink the Indian ACC.

Wow what a comeback to the topic. Pakistan can only damage Indian carrier if it breaks the robust defence shield. So do tell me how you plan to achieve this?

 

[GURU DUTT]

O bhai ap phir ziada keh gai ho, ab ager me is k against kuch kahoo ga ya koi or members from both sides a ker involve ho jayen gay to bat bohat lambi ho jaye, ap nay history ko apni ainak(Glasses) say dekha lakin history totally is k against hai, ap MashaAllah senior member hen bachon wali dhamkian na den. ager hum friendship mod me hen to isey change kernay ke koshish na keren, Allhamdulilah i am true Pakistani and i love my country, similarly you true indian and love india, ab hum apni countries say piyar he jatatay rahen gay ya kuch humanity ka bhi sochen gay?. Humen apni History ke buri yadon ko bhulana hai lakin heroes ko nahi.

now come to the topic. Pakistan can sink the Indian ACC.

well bhai jaan history ka sirf ek hi angle hotahai aur usko sirf ek hi paimane se napa jata hai

history hamesha vijeta likhta hai aur hone wale kissi bhi hadse ya shahkaar ki buniyad me kuch maqasid hoten hain aur dono hi pehlu apni jagah sahi hain per tareekh me wahi vijeta hoten hain jo apne makasid poore kerne ke liye imandari aur mehnat ka sahara lete hain baki behes bari lambi hai ...choro jane do aap apne ghar khush ham apne ghar khush ..jhagra kis baat ka hai

rahi baat "topic=indian ACC" ki to bhai hamne usse hasil kerne ke liye bari lambi aur hadson se bhara rasta paar kiya hai aap ka maqsad hai use tabah kerna per aap use hasil kaise karoge kyonki aapki mashihat ki kya halat hai aap hamse achi tarah jante ho na aapke paas hamse jyada tadat hai aurn nahi technical superiorty aur na hi wasail ..achha isse me hai ki apka mulk bharat se sulah ker le aur apni mahashi aur samajick tarakee me poori taqat aur akl lagaye ...jitni taqat aur akal pichle 66 salon me pakistan ne bharat se kashmir hatiyane aur bharat ko neecha dikhane aur takleef pahunchane me lagayee thi usse adha bhi ausne apni quwam /masheehat aur riyaya ki taraqi me lagayee hoti to aaj pakistan ka duniya me kuch aur hi makam hota baki ...good luck for future

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

well bhai jaan history ka sirf ek hi angle hotahai aur usko sirf ek hi paimane se napa jata hai

history hamesha vijeta likhta hai aur hone wale kissi bhi hadse ya shahkaar ki buniyad me kuch maqasid hoten hain aur dono hi pehlu apni jagah sahi hain per tareekh me wahi vijeta hoten hain jo apne makasid poore kerne ke liye imandari aur mehnat ka sahara lete hain baki behes bari lambi hai ...choro jane do aap apne ghar khush ham apne ghar khush ..jhagra kis baat ka hai

rahi baat "topic=indian ACC" ki to bhai hamne usse hasil kerne ke liye bari lambi aur hadson se bhara rasta paar kiya hai aap ka maqsad hai use tabah kerna per aap use hasil kaise karoge kyonki aapki mashihat ki kya halat hai aap hamse achi tarah jante ho na aapke paas hamse jyada tadat hai aurn nahi technical superiorty aur na hi wasail ..achha isse me hai ki apka mulk bharat se sulah ker le aur apni mahashi aur samajick tarakee me poori taqat aur akl lagaye ...jitni taqat aur akal pichle 66 salon me pakistan ne bharat se kashmir hatiyane aur bharat ko neecha dikhane aur takleef pahunchane me lagayee thi usse adha bhi ausne apni quwam /masheehat aur riyaya ki taraqi me lagayee hoti to aaj pakistan ka duniya me kuch aur hi makam hota baki ...good luck for future

On Topic- Bhai is me koi doubt nahi k aj ap(India) jis stage per ho ap logon nay baray papar belay hon gay jo k bohat achi cheez hai. Rahi bat ACC ko Tabah kernay ke to is me Pakistan ke Financial condition ka koi taluq nahi humen ye kernay k liye sirf Carrier killer missile chahiye wo hamary pas hai, Hamari submarine inventory bohat achi hai or hum mazeed acha bananay ke koshish ker rahey hen.
Kashmir- Suppose kal ap ka koi hukmaran a ker india ke kisi state ko paisey lay ker kisi third party ko bech day to kia ap indians agree ker lo gay- Mera khyal hai bilkul nahi. is Say ziada mujhay or kuch nahi kehna is baray me.
Good Relationship with India- Hum logon nay to bari koshish ke lakin ap logon ke taraf say ziada acha response nahi milta, achay relations k liye pehley zaroori muslon ka hal zaroori hai belive me jub yeh Masalay hul ho jayen gay to Pakistan India ke dosti bhi dushmani ke tarha Masali(Example) ho ge.
Thanks for the bold part in your post.

 

[GURU DUTT]

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well bhai

On Topic- Bhai is me koi doubt nahi k aj ap(India) jis stage per ho ap logon nay baray papar belay hon gay jo k bohat achi cheez hai. Rahi bat ACC ko Tabah kernay ke to is me Pakistan ke Financial condition ka koi taluq nahi humen ye kernay k liye sirf Carrier killer missile chahiye wo hamary pas hai, Hamari submarine inventory bohat achi hai or hum mazeed acha bananay ke koshish ker rahey hen.
Kashmir- Suppose kal ap ka koi hukmaran a ker india ke kisi state ko paisey lay ker kisi third party ko bech day to kia ap indians agree ker lo gay- Mera khyal hai bilkul nahi. is Say ziada mujhay or kuch nahi kehna is baray me.
Good Relationship with India- Hum logon nay to bari koshish ke lakin ap logon ke taraf say ziada acha response nahi milta, achay relations k liye pehley zaroori muslon ka hal zaroori hai belive me jub yeh Masalay hul ho jayen gay to Pakistan India ke dosti bhi dushmani ke tarha Masali(Example) ho ge.
Thanks for the bold part in your post.

pehli baat bhai jaan ACC kabhi bhi akela nahi nikalta uske saath 2 destroyers + 2 cruisers+2 frigates + 2 submariens + 1 supply ship+1 feul tanker hota hai aur her tayyarre per uska khud ke multiple band PESA & ASEA -2D/3D radar systems (with 400KM+track and scan capability )+ anty ASM & Anty Aircraft LR/MR & SR missile batteries hotin hain + not to forget hmare vikrmaditya per 24 MIG29Ks aur 10 ASW and AWACS helicopters bhi hain jo kissi bhi fizai khatre se larne me aur dushman ko uske ghar me ghuske marne ke liye hi tainaat kiye gaye hain aur hamare paas inki tadaat apse kaheen zyaada hain aur hame CBGs ko oprate aur mentain kerte hue 50 saal se jyada arsa ho chukka hai to zara batayenge ki aap isse kiss tarah nuksan pahuncha sakte hain

mana apke paas carrier killer ASM aur larakoo fizai tayyarre hain per aap unko killer zone me dakhil kaise karayenge kyonki unhe apne target tak pahunchane ke liye apke laraku tayyaron ko kam se kam 200 KM radius me aana parega

rahi baat submariens ki to bhai indian CBG ke saath filhaal 2 Kilo class submariens hain jabki apki submariens ko marne ke liye hamamre CBG me 5 K31 anty sub & AWAC helicopters + hamne P8I bhi hasil ker liya hai jiski taqat apke PC3 orions se teen gunne se bhi jyada hai

ab rahi baat kashmir ki to galat ho ya sahi kashmir baharat ka attoot ang hai aur wo to hum apko denge nahi agar kashmirion ka itna hi khayal hai to hum unko azad kashmir me rehabilitate kerwane me apki maddat zaroor ker akte hain agar apko manzoor ho to

baki rahi dosti ki baat to bhai koshish to hamne kai baar ki per her baar aapke ayyar fitrat kee establishment ne hamari peeth me churra bhonka recent exdample ABV taking BUS to lahore for peace and your genreelas indruding into kargil during the winter cease fire and when there asses got whopped left right and centre they begged USa to intervien and had to vacate indian peaks


so tell me how will some one trust suxcch an adverseri still we tried to be good with you but then again 26/11 happenned and more than 200+ innocent civilians were butchered in cold blood by pakistani born & trained so called "non state actors"

bhai dosti kerni hai to ab apko hamri terms pe karni hogi warna wahi hota rahega jo aaj badkismati se pakistan me ho raha hai

baki on personal note aagar hum achhe dost ben ker nahi reh sakte to achhe parosi to banke reh hi sakte hain per Pak Fauj ki terms per nahi hamari terms per


baki Good Luck

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

well bhai

pehli baat bhai jaan ACC kabhi bhi akela nahi nikalta uske saath 2 destroyers + 2 cruisers+2 frigates + 2 submariens + 1 supply ship+1 feul tanker hota hai aur her tayyarre per uska khud ke multiple band PESA & ASEA -2D/3D radar systems (with 400KM+track and scan capability )+ anty ASM & Anty Aircraft LR/MR & SR missile batteries hotin hain + not to forget hmare vikrmaditya per 24 MIG29Ks aur 10 ASW and AWACS helicopters bhi hain jo kissi bhi fizai khatre se larne me aur dushman ko uske ghar me ghuske marne ke liye hi tainaat kiye gaye hain aur hamare paas inki tadaat apse kaheen zyaada hain aur hame CBGs ko oprate aur mentain kerte hue 50 saal se jyada arsa ho chukka hai to zara batayenge ki aap isse kiss tarah nuksan pahuncha sakte hain

mana apke paas carrier killer ASM aur larakoo fizai tayyarre hain per aap unko killer zone me dakhil kaise karayenge kyonki unhe apne target tak pahunchane ke liye apke laraku tayyaron ko kam se kam 200 KM radius me aana parega

rahi baat submariens ki to bhai indian CBG ke saath filhaal 2 Kilo class submariens hain jabki apki submariens ko marne ke liye hamamre CBG me 5 K31 anty sub & AWAC helicopters + hamne P8I bhi hasil ker liya hai jiski taqat apke PC3 orions se teen gunne se bhi jyada hai

ab rahi baat kashmir ki to galat ho ya sahi kashmir baharat ka attoot ang hai aur wo to hum apko denge nahi agar kashmirion ka itna hi khayal hai to hum unko azad kashmir me rehabilitate kerwane me apki maddat zaroor ker akte hain agar apko manzoor ho to

baki rahi dosti ki baat to bhai koshish to hamne kai baar ki per her baar aapke ayyar fitrat kee establishment ne hamari peeth me churra bhonka recent exdample ABV taking BUS to lahore for peace and your genreelas indruding into kargil during the winter cease fire and when there asses got whopped left right and centre they begged USa to intervien and had to vacate indian peaks


so tell me how will some one trust suxcch an adverseri still we tried to be good with you but then again 26/11 happenned and more than 200+ innocent civilians were butchered in cold blood by pakistani born & trained so called "non state actors"

bhai dosti kerni hai to ab apko hamri terms pe karni hogi warna wahi hota rahega jo aaj badkismati se pakistan me ho raha hai

baki on personal note aagar hum achhe dost ben ker nahi reh sakte to achhe parosi to banke reh hi sakte hain per Pak Fauj ki terms per nahi hamari terms per
baki Good Luck[/quote]

Bhai, pehli bat frankly speaking ap k ACC say kuch na kuch to threat hai lakin is k against Pakistan nay kia CAPA (Corrective action, Preventive action) liye hen is ka jawab ap ko bhi pata hai or mujhay bhi, We have all our trust on our Army that’s why we have absolutely no worry/tension about any type of threat at least from your side. Detail me nahi jatay ager hamaray defence me kuch halka sa bhi gap hota to ap zaroor attack kertay, ya phir himat nahi hai ye hap ka matter hai ap ko hi pata ho ga. Hum nay bari machli (Your ACC) ko he kaboo kerna hai remaning kam ap ki himat tootnay say ho jaye ga. Abhi jo ander khatay Pakistan navy k liye ho raha wo to ap ko count kerwanay ke zaroorat he nahi MashAllah ap meri tarha kafi intelligent lagtey ho.


Wasay ap nay Kashmir per meray Question ka theek say jawab nahi dia, bari chalaki say gol ker gai hen. Chalo ap billions kharch kertay raho Kashmir per qabza kernay me, hum thora sa intizar ker letay hen, piyaray bhai hum mer to saktay hen lakin IOK ko kabhi nahi choren gay.


Ap hamari terha apni sari bat Pakistan per keu dal detay ho, don’t forget dosti train service, Dirty Game behind NewDelhi/Mumbai attack, and many many more. Wasay ap k Name say Sanjay Dutt yad a gia jis per Bomb blasts me madad kernay ka ilzam hai, doosron per ilzam kum dia keren or apna gher theek keren bhai.


Wasay bhai wo log bohat achay hotey hen jo apni country say bohat ziada piyar kertay ap bhi aik asey he insan ho.


Take care bye.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Bhai, pehli bat frankly speaking ap k ACC say kuch na kuch to threat hai lakin is k against Pakistan nay kia CAPA (Corrective action, Preventive action) liye hen is ka jawab ap ko bhi pata hai or mujhay bhi, We have all our trust on our Army that’s why we have absolutely no worry/tension about any type of threat at least from your side. Detail me nahi jatay ager hamaray defence me kuch halka sa bhi gap hota to ap zaroor attack kertay, ya phir himat nahi hai ye hap ka matter hai ap ko hi pata ho ga. Hum nay bari machli (Your ACC) ko he kaboo kerna hai remaning kam ap ki himat tootnay say ho jaye ga. Abhi jo ander khatay Pakistan navy k liye ho raha wo to ap ko count kerwanay ke zaroorat he nahi MashAllah ap meri tarha kafi intelligent lagtey ho.


Wasay ap nay Kashmir per meray Question ka theek say jawab nahi dia, bari chalaki say gol ker gai hen. Chalo ap billions kharch kertay raho Kashmir per qabza kernay me, hum thora sa intizar ker letay hen, piyaray bhai hum mer to saktay hen lakin IOK ko kabhi nahi choren gay.


Ap hamari terha apni sari bat Pakistan per keu dal detay ho, don’t forget dosti train service, Dirty Game behind NewDelhi/Mumbai attack, and many many more. Wasay ap k Name say Sanjay Dutt yad a gia jis per Bomb blasts me madad kernay ka ilzam hai, doosron per ilzam kum dia keren or apna gher theek keren bhai.


Wasay bhai wo log bohat achay hotey hen jo apni country say bohat ziada piyar kertay ap bhi aik asey he insan ho.


Take care bye.

well bhai apki fauj sirf peeth peeche war ker sakti hai aur uske genrals sirf golf khel sakte hain ya shadi haals , petrol pumps & bakeries ka mangement dekh sakte hain ...agar unme jara bhi quuwaat aur ghairat hoti to mana kerne per bhi drone attacks ke baad sarwe drones jo pakistani ser zameen se urthe hain unhe tabah ker dete per unhone kya kiya , unhone kya ker liya slalllaa aur raymond davis affair ke baad

bhai ji hum aap per attack kyon karenm uska fayeda kya milega humko aur jab hamara kaam khud apke so called "strategick assets " & "freinds not masters" ker rahe hain to hum apne haath kyon gande karen

rahi baat bari machali= INS vikrmaditya ko kabu/tabah kerne ki to bhai roka kisne hain koshish ker ke dekh lo apko apnee aukat khud pata chal jayegi

rahi baat kashmir ki to pichle 66 saalon me apne apna adha mulk to gawa hi diya hai gilgit aur balistan aur baloochistan ka adha hissa to chinio ke paas 50 saal ke liye girvi para hai KPK aur FATA apse sambhale nahi sambhal rahe aur aapka sara zor kashmir hasil kerne pe ..achhee baat yoonhi lage raho hamara kaam aur asaan bana rahe ho aap

hum pakistan ko fateh kerke kya bhuute bhoonenge jabki apke under hi to sabse bara bomb haio wo apki barbaadi ke liye kafee hai (sectairinism,relegeous inolrence , corruoption,poverty & population explosion) hame to bas apko bekar ki baaton me uljhaye rakhna hai aur ye kaam aap log poori shiddat aur mehnat se ker rahe ho ...lage raho ji

now abou guru dutt well he is my most admired and loved cine director and actor of bollywood

Guru Dutt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

on the other hand i never like sanjay dutt though sunil dutt his father had his own class

now about mumbai well remeber tassawurr rana and dawood gilllani / richard hadley well if you dont know about them its even better

what your so called "non state actors " did in mumbai on 26/11 well we killed 9 owt of ten terrorist and captured one(ajmal qasab= resident of faridkoat punjab) and used him to his full potential to show the real face of PA /ISI and your nation is still paying the dividents for that(like if you have ever been to a eourpean or US airport)

so bhai hum hindustani hain aur hamare hamle kerne ka aur badla lene ka bhi andaz alag hai jo apko tab samjh aata hai jab aap sab kuch kho chukke hote ho ab bhi dushmani kerni hai to 100 bar bismillah

 

[nair]

@GURU DUTT bhai english mein likho.... Padna mushkil hora ha hein....

 

[Penguin]

Wow what a comeback to the topic. Pakistan can only damage Indian carrier if it breaks the robust defence shield. So do tell me how you plan to achieve this?

Submarines with wake homing torps and anti-ship missiles will do quite nicely. 
While I can't follow the above discussion, I get the impression that there is a lot of talk about sensors. Please do not confuse sensor and weapon range with zone of control: in operational reality actual control and kill capability is much more limited i.e. by natural circumstances.

Meanwhile, wasn't the main forum language English (so more nationalities can participate in discussion)?

 

[Penguin]

^^ Diesel powered submarines are not suited to hunt carriers as they are too slow.

The problem that Pakistan has with the Vikramdytia is that it has a formidable air-defences that comprise 24 Mig-29K fighters, 2 destoyers and 2 frigates that between then can simultaneously engage more than 30 targets.

It will be very difficult to penetrate the defences of the CVBG but not impossible.

Pay attention: why do you think USN leased a Swedish conventional diesel powered submarine?
In a defensive scenario, you don't go hunting (chasing) a carrier group but you position yourself where the carrier group is likely to appear and patrol. SS(K)s are VERY effective against surface ships as they are more quiet than SSNs.

30 targets isn't al that much: 10 Mirage fighters with 1 AShM each, plus a pair of MPA's with 4 AShM each, a frigate with 8 AShM, a submarine with 4 AShM. Use JF-17 and you can have 5 jets with 10 AShM and 5 jets flying shotgun. Throw in 1 more frigate and 1 more submarine and you have 42 missile targets (plus 2 submarines lurking afterwards with torpedos). Add a pair of Azmat missile boats for some additional complexity. Add some low level strike aircraft armed with stand-off PGMs and pretty soon you're group is really busy fending for itself (i.e. not being used offensively).

 

[MKI 30]

Submarines with wake homing torps and anti-ship missiles will do quite nicely.

Yes Submarines remain the most preferred option, but does pakistan have the required Submarines for that? My knowledge of submarines is limited so could you please explain if the objective could be achieved by the current PN Subs and do take into account the future ones they are to induct.

 

[UKBengali]

Pay attention: why do you think USN leased a Swedish conventional diesel powered submarine?
In a defensive scenario, you don't go hunting (chasing) a carrier group but you position yourself where the carrier group is likely to appear and patrol. SS(K)s are VERY effective against surface ships as they are more quiet than SSNs.

30 targets isn't al that much: 10 Mirage fighters with 1 AShM each, plus a pair of MPA's with 4 AShM each, a frigate with 8 AShM, a submarine with 4 AShM. Use JF-17 and you can have 5 jets with 10 AShM and 5 jets flying shotgun. Throw in 1 more frigate and 1 more submarine and you have 42 missile targets (plus 2 submarines lurking afterwards with torpedos). Add a pair of Azmat missile boats for some additional complexity. Add some low level strike aircraft armed with stand-off PGMs and pretty soon you're group is really busy fending for itself (i.e. not being used offensively).

You forgot the 24 Mig-29Ks in your analysis.

 

[Srinivas]

Pay attention: why do you think USN leased a Swedish conventional diesel powered submarine?
In a defensive scenario, you don't go hunting (chasing) a carrier group but you position yourself where the carrier group is likely to appear and patrol. SS(K)s are VERY effective against surface ships as they are more quiet than SSNs.

30 targets isn't al that much: 10 Mirage fighters with 1 AShM each, plus a pair of MPA's with 4 AShM each, a frigate with 8 AShM, a submarine with 4 AShM. Use JF-17 and you can have 5 jets with 10 AShM and 5 jets flying shotgun. Throw in 1 more frigate and 1 more submarine and you have 42 missile targets (plus 2 submarines lurking afterwards with torpedos). Add a pair of Azmat missile boats for some additional complexity. Add some low level strike aircraft armed with stand-off PGMs and pretty soon you're group is really busy fending for itself (i.e. not being used offensively).

CBG's are integrated to Satellites as well. CBG's will try to avoid such a massive confrontation scenarios, CBG's have their war doctrines related to these kind of scenarios and how to avoid them. The Frigates and destroyers have more fire power as well as close range automated guns.
At any given day CBG group is expected to have more fire power than the adversary, if the scenario is different then CBG's avoid confrontation and opt for defensive maneuvers.