Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

[GURU DUTT]

6 Mig 29K versus and escort of at least 5 JF-17, leaving the MPA's unchallenged. Or divide up, but this gives that JF17 package better odds.

18 Migs out doing something else may also be land-strike, or long range missile with buddy-buddy refuelling.

And all this is assuming just the basic package of 2 MPA and 10 JF-17.... (of which there are more)

We can debate the outcome here endlessly but the point is ... under the right conditions, the odds aren't always overwhelmingly against the strike package or invariably in favor if the Indian force.

Not counting luck, that is.


Maybe, maybe not.



6 migs means a continuous patrol of just 2 aircraft ....

well given that you think there will onli be two MIG29K (owt of six) for continuous patrol

Mikoyan MiG-29K - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Zhuk-ME is a development of the N010 Zhuk radar, introducing functions such as terrain mapping and following. The radar, weighing 220 kilograms (490 lb), features improved signal processing and a detection range of up to 120 km vs a 5 m2 RCS target for the export variant. In the air targeting mode, up to 10 targets can be tracked and 4 targets engaged simultaneously
CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
KLJ-7 Radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Range75km for 3m2 RCS, 130km for 5m2 RCS

so tell me how will say if ..."if" PAF manages to allot 1 squad 20 JF 17s to attack the indian CBG they will be well picked up by indian radars as soon as they leave there bases and tracked all the while thus simontainousli waerning the CBG abut them

il put my money on 2 MIG 29s with 6 X BVRs(mix of Alamo/Adder & navotar K-100) & 2 VWRs (python 5)in air to air combat mode can take care of a bunch of JF17s and hold them till the other 4 MIG 29Ks join the party as MIGs will have range advantage deu to more feul & better ship based and K 31 heli AWACS radar backup where as since CBG will remain at least 500 KM away from the pakistani cost line there JF17s will be carrying more feul than missiles as they are short legged and will be fighting away from home withowt the "AWACS cover" so they become an easy target for owr MIG 29Ks as Indian land based radars will be monitarring them aswell

so my point is a bunch(6-10) of JF17s getting any where near (200KMs) indian CBG is 2/100

 

[kaykay]

Its very difficult for enemy fighters to come anywhere near Ins Vikramaditya because of its advance Electronics Warfare suite(can detect fighters as away as 500 KM and make them blind), long range SAMs(once installed), and at last 24 Mig-29K fighters of which 6-8 would be anytime ready for protection of CBG.

 

[kaykay]

Interesting article about Vikramaditya's electronics warfare capabilities.
It says not a single aircraft(including Mig-29K, Su-33s and IL-38) could detect Ins Vikramditya when electronics warfare system was On during trails. It detected those aircrafts and made them blind as far as 400Km away.
INS Vikramaditya has might but little protection against air attacks - Indian Express

 

[Capt.Popeye]

6 Mig 29K versus and escort of at least 5 JF-17, leaving the MPA's unchallenged. Or divide up, but this gives that JF17 package better odds.

18 Migs out doing something else may also be land-strike, or long range missile with buddy-buddy refuelling.

And all this is assuming just the basic package of 2 MPA and 10 JF-17.... (of which there are more)

We can debate the outcome here endlessly but the point is ... under the right conditions, the odds aren't always overwhelmingly against the strike package or invariably in favor if the Indian force.

Not counting luck, that is.


Maybe, maybe not.



6 migs means a continuous patrol of just 2 aircraft ....

Are you trying to write a Hollywood film script? seriously!

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Interesting article about Vikramaditya's electronics warfare capabilities.
It says not a single aircraft(including Mig-29K, Su-33s and IL-38) could detect Ins Vikramditya when electronics warfare system was On during trails. It detected those aircrafts and made them blind as far as 400Km away.
INS Vikramaditya has might but little protection against air attacks - Indian Express

What about enemy subs equipped with exocets ?

 

[kaykay]

What about enemy subs equipped with exocets ?

hull based and towed sonars. Especially the towed sonars with long range detection. Though I am being very optamistic.

 

[kaykay]

well given that you think there will onli be two MIG29K (owt of six) for continuous patrol

Mikoyan MiG-29K - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Zhuk-ME is a development of the N010 Zhuk radar, introducing functions such as terrain mapping and following. The radar, weighing 220 kilograms (490 lb), features improved signal processing and a detection range of up to 120 km vs a 5 m2 RCS target for the export variant. In the air targeting mode, up to 10 targets can be tracked and 4 targets engaged simultaneously
CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
KLJ-7 Radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Range75km for 3m2 RCS, 130km for 5m2 RCS

so tell me how will say if ..."if" PAF manages to allot 1 squad 20 JF 17s to attack the indian CBG they will be well picked up by indian radars as soon as they leave there bases and tracked all the while thus simontainousli waerning the CBG abut them

il put my money on 2 MIG 29s with 6 X BVRs(mix of Alamo/Adder & navotar K-100) & 2 VWRs (python 5)in air to air combat mode can take care of a bunch of JF17s and hold them till the other 4 MIG 29Ks join the party as MIGs will have range advantage deu to more feul & better ship based and K 31 heli AWACS radar backup where as since CBG will remain at least 500 KM away from the pakistani cost line there JF17s will be carrying more feul than missiles as they are short legged and will be fighting away from home withowt the "AWACS cover" so they become an easy target for owr MIG 29Ks as Indian land based radars will be monitarring them aswell

so my point is a bunch(6-10) of JF17s getting any where near (200KMs) indian CBG is 2/100

Just one correction.
KLJ-7 radar has a detection range of 105 KM for rcs of 5 m2. Its less than Zuke ME of Mig-29K.

 

[--,-'{@]

well hamne bare achhe se dekha hai apke kehne aur kerne ko ..khair wo ek doosri behes hai pakistan ko apni aukat samjhani chaiye aur apni hudood me rehker faisle kerne chaiye jisse uski mahashi taraqi ho na ki unse apna ghar to sambhalta nahi aur hum ko fateh kerne ke khwaab poore kerne ke liye pange lete rehte hain aapke apno ne 1948 me pange na liye hote to aaj kashmir apka hota
apke apne field marshal ne operation gibralter aur grand slam na kia hota to na to 1965 ki jang hoti aur aj hindustan aur pakistan dono achhe doston ki tarah mil ke taraqi ker rehe hote ...

pehle panga apne 1965 liye ki jiska jawab hamne apko 1971 me sood samet de diye fir apne 1999 me panga liya aur jiska hisab aaj abhi tak chukka rahe hain socho jab ABV bus leke lahore dosti ka paigam leke gaya tha agar tab aapke generals kargil na kerte to dubara kashmir ka masla sulajh hi chukka tha per kya hua aur uska kya nateeja nikla (nawaz had to go to washington with begging bowl for cease fire & USA became suspecious of you and came to owr fold and still helping us with economy and millitarry/wepons while killing your people in your own land)

so brother hum apni aukat jante hain aur waqt ke hirab se faisle kerte hain jabki aaj pakistan ka haal ye hai "na to karwan hi milla na wasal E sanam na idhar ke rahe na udhar ke hum"

ye log kabhi nai sudhrengay. inko mitana hee padega ya fir reverse brainwashing camps me daalna padega. pehla option is the best 1. ye log baar baar humla karengay. aukaad hai nai humse jeetnay ki isslea covert jihad ka formula use kartey hai. dimag chod mujhadeen ko bhejtey hai or apne kattar muslim volunteers army k bhejtey hai mujhadeen k naam pe ( naam pe mat jao har ek muslim mujhadeen kehla sakta hai, they r happy to die in the name of allahh.

 

[--,-'{@]

lets start charity from our home thts India.

 

[Maler]

It is not that. One can not discuss warfare without taking into account the existing environment in entirety. Pakistan's declared nuclear policy is first use, to deter the threat and use of conventional as well as nuclear weapons. Contrarily, the Indian policy revolves around a second strike and to deter the threat and use of nuclear and chemical (added later) weapons. It wants a free run for it superior conventional capability.

For India nuclear weapons may only be meant for deterrence and not for use. Pakistan will use the nuclear weapons if certain nuclear thresholds are crossed. India should not have any doubt in this regard and this is also Pakistan's declared policy.

And don't tell me now that whereas India would be able to absorb Pakistani first strike, Indian second strike would destroy Pakistan completely - this is a favourite and a misplaced Indian response. Probably the reason Pakistan is enhancing its nuclear capability is to acquire such a wherewithal which could also destroy India completely, encompassing the complete spectrum of conventional and nuclear environment.

Therefore, whenever warfare in South Asia is discussed, do not forget that nuclear equation has become part and parcel of the overall environment and conclusions can not be arrived at unless this factor is weighed in.

Pakistanis should not have any doubt that If there is a slight provocation and Intent shown by Pakistan during Indo-Pak war scenario to use nuclear weapons, India would not preempt a nuclear strike!!!! India has advantage of arial surveillance covering whole Pakistan due to Its small size through Its space & air assets and also has the capability to detect nuclear material's movement. A slight indication of moving or preparation to launch nuclear assets by Pakistan will force India to take appropriate steps and preempt a nuclear strike to destroy Pakistan's nuclear capability in advance. It is better to kill than be killed saving enemy lives, as simple as that.

 

[Nassr]

Pakistanis should not have any doubt that If there is a slight provocation and Intent shown by Pakistan during Indo-Pak war scenario to use nuclear weapons, India would not preempt a nuclear strike!!!! India has advantage of arial surveillance covering whole Pakistan due to Its small size through Its space & air assets and also has the capability to detect nuclear material's movement. A slight indication of moving or preparation to launch nuclear assets by Pakistan will force India to take appropriate steps and preempt a nuclear strike to destroy Pakistan's nuclear capability in advance. It is better to kill than be killed saving enemy lives, as simple as that.

Even the most militarily advanced country in the world USA does not have this capability. And you are stating that India possess such technological ability. Ye Ambarsar se Bhatinda janay wali bus ki advance booking nahin hai jo online kar lo. Kabhi kabhi aqal ki baat bhi kar letay hein.

 

[Maler]

Even the most militarily advanced country in the world USA does not have this capability. And you are stating that India possess such technological ability. Ye Ambarsar se Bhatinda janay wali bus ki advance booking nahin hai jo online kar lo. Kabhi kabhi aqal ki baat bhi kar letay hein.

Do you really think US has no capability to detect fissile material movement through satellite or through other means? You need to educate yourself, after that come for discussion.

 

[Nassr]

Do you really think US has no capability to detect fissile material movement through satellite or through other means? You need to educate yourself, after that come for discussion.

Limited because they do not know where majority of nuclear weapons are located and therefore tracking the unknown is never easy.

 

[Nassr]

You can't even able built a rocket to deliver a TV size satellite to earth's lower orbit, which require a very low tech as compare to your so called highfy nuclear missile technology, you are farting about. Stop day dreaming and face the the reality. Annihilate India......hm....are you smoking some superior shit like Zaid Hamid??? You first survive from TTP, then think to fight with us. You are not more than a a rotten society, who can't even accept their soldiers martyrdom when fighting against terrorist. You can produce nothing more than some salwar wearing terrorist...hahaha.....Annihilate India...Our war planners know that If you throw a stone at shit, it will blow back and dirty your cloths, so let the shit convert into dust automatically and that is what happening with you!!!!! .....Gazwa e Hind....You can't even walk to your own city Miran shah and you are dreaming about Gazwa e Hind!!!!!.....One More Sir Zaid's fan child....hahahaha....Gazwa e Hind!!!




American even has the information about the pin of your every hand grenade, let alone fissile material!!!!! Why do you think Americans built a 2nd Pentagon in Islamabad?? to sell chocolates, I think!!!!!

Nope. Probably to eat mangoes. Ja bhai time zaya na kar with your uninformed rhetoric.

 

[newdelhinsa]

This thread is becoming laborious with nonacademic assumptions.

To make an ACC inoperable one should first learn mathematics before firing cruise missiles on it. No Pakistani poster has mention how many CMs will they need to do so.

Oh I hate myself; when giving tips to trolls.