Two Indian soldiers killed in LoC skirmish: Indian army

[arp2041]

Even if I were to take your conjectures on face-value & ignore commenting on them just to keep the discussion localized to the issue at hand, I still cannot understand the rest of the argument.

If a 'baby step', as you call it, is able to internationalize the Kashmir Issue by extrapolating one incidents which is asked to be investigated purely along 'forensic' & not 'diplomatic' or 'political' lines then one might, also, be justified in asking that couldn't such an internationalizing occur during the Dam Construction issues for they too were in the same 'disputed territory' which Indian maintains is an integral part of its country; Pakistan could have very well have adopted that line of reasoning & asked for an indefinite stay-order on that Dam's Construction owing to the Status of Jammu & Kashmir.

And yet we didn't....why ?

Because it would not work ! Because courts & bodies act in the purview of a set of parameters within which they are to judge for or against a petition. They do not, however, extrapolate an incident to a larger dispute if they did India would be the first to register to an objection.

Furthermore if it was Internationalization of the Kashmir Issue that could be sought through such incidents & others like them than the Mumbai Bombings & '02 Stand-Off or even the '99 Kargil Skirmish would have done that very well for any neutral observer when trying to understand the root of the problem that could have caused Pakistan or Pakistanis to acts they way the did & India to react the way she did is an open wound - Kashmir ! And yet none of those events did that not even Kargil did that !

In fact, conversely so, the Kargil War, poured in sympathy for the Indians & stronger than ever support for India on their stance on Kashmir because we were wrong to do what we did. Similarly if India thinks that Pakistani soldiers or irregulars crossed over the LOC, took out their boys & beheaded one then a UN sponsored probe would demonize Pakistan to no end & if this is an Internationalization of the Kashmir Issue then it would be one in favor of India.

India's refusal to doing that casts doubt over the sincerity & veracity of their claims.

Don't know why are u comparing Apples with Oranges.

Dam construction & river distribution in state of J&K is TOTALLY a different issue since for that we have Indus water Treaty for the sharing of the water of Indus & it's tributaries under the mediator-ship of World Bank, it has NOTHING to do with the Kashmir Dispute as such ( for eg. Even in it's early days of formation, Israel had water agreements with it's Arab neighbors when they din't even acknowledged that a state of Israel exists) , it is completely technical issue not at all political issue, this was done for the simple fact that the water is the most important requirement of Human Lives, for that our two countries had sidelined the dispute as such & just wanted to address the need for better water sharing b/w the two. The Treaty has certain Guidelines under which Pakistan can build dams & India can also build dams, if both follows the proper guidelines set by the Treaty than there will be no objection raised by the other in this case. These are it's brief Provisions if u want to have a look:

http://wrmin.nic.in/writereaddata/linkimages/Brief4661612656.pdf

Now u do know that UN is a political organisation while the WB is not, going to UN itself means Politicizing an issue.

As far as Kargil is concerned, it is not me but ur own former President - Gen. Musharaff has acknowledged that it was a military operation to achieve political gains vis-a-vis Kashmir but what he did not imagined was the massive Indian response & International outrage against Pakistan, even one of the best allies of Pakistan - US abandoned it in Kargil.

 

[Paan Singh]

well some nice news

dont worry guys ...IA will decide time as well as place ...

 

[Sugarcane]

well some nice news

dont worry guys ...IA will decide time as well as place ...

Good - Than stop crying like babies now. IA was the one who initiated it, probably they didn't liked cut in defense budget, Paapi pait kay liya kuch bhi karain gaay.

 

[JohnyD]

Army will 'pay back in kind' for soldiers' killings at right time


The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia, conveyed a very tough message to his Pakistani counterpart on Wednesday when they spoke for the second time in 48 hours, reports RS Chauhan

Despite the grave provocation by Pakistan in killing two soldiers and beheading one of them, the Army will not respond in anger, senior commanders have said.

Instead, they will wait for an appropriate time and place to 'pay back' in kind, highly placed sources say.

The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia, too conveyed a very tough message to his Pakistani counterpart on Wednesday when they spoke for the second time in 48 hours. The DGMO is reported to have warned of severe consequences in case of a repeat incident of the kind witnessed at Mendhar on Tuesday.

New Delhi has also told Islamabad that the mutilation of the bodies of soldiers is against the established rules of engagement of any professional Army.


The Army has also pieced together the grim details of the audacious attack on Indian territory.

The Pakistani military has expectedly refused to acknowledge that such an incident happened and has instead accused India of spreading "negative propaganda".

Pakistan too has accused Indian troops of crossing the Line of Control on Sunday (January 6) and raiding one of its army posts. It says a Pakistani soldier was killed in the firing. India has denied the accusations.

Pakistan alleges that Indian troops crossed the LoC into the Haji Pir Pass sector -- that stands across India's Rampur sector -- killing one Pakistani soldier. The Haji Pir pass was returned to Pakistan after the 1965 India-Pakistan war.

India maintains that it had not crossed the LoC but had retaliated after being fired upon by Pakistani soldiers without any provocation.

There were 117 ceasefire violations in 2012 as against 60 in 2011 and only 57 in 2010. Top Indian Army officials say that in December 2012 alone there has been as many as 10 cases of ceasefire violations along the LoC and four infiltration attempts by terrorists. Fourteen terrorists were killed by the Indian Army in December alone.

Army will 'pay back in kind' for killings at right time - Rediff.com India News

seems Kayani wants to make his presence feel!!

 

[MM_Haider]

well some nice news

dont worry guys ...IA will decide time as well as place ...

what does this say?? can you translate..

 

[thinkingcap81]

Already posted by @LoveIcon

 

[KRAIT]

NVM..................

 

[Spring Onion]

Army will 'pay back in kind' for soldiers' killings at right time


The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia, conveyed a very tough message to his Pakistani counterpart on Wednesday when they spoke for the second time in 48 hours, reports RS Chauhan

Despite the grave provocation by Pakistan in killing two soldiers and beheading one of them, the Army will not respond in anger, senior commanders have said.

Instead, they will wait for an appropriate time and place to 'pay back' in kind, highly placed sources say.

The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia, too conveyed a very tough message to his Pakistani counterpart on Wednesday when they spoke for the second time in 48 hours. The DGMO is reported to have warned of severe consequences in case of a repeat incident of the kind witnessed at Mendhar on Tuesday.

New Delhi has also told Islamabad that the mutilation of the bodies of soldiers is against the established rules of engagement of any professional Army.


The Army has also pieced together the grim details of the audacious attack on Indian territory.

The Pakistani military has expectedly refused to acknowledge that such an incident happened and has instead accused India of spreading "negative propaganda".

Pakistan too has accused Indian troops of crossing the Line of Control on Sunday (January 6) and raiding one of its army posts. It says a Pakistani soldier was killed in the firing. India has denied the accusations.

Pakistan alleges that Indian troops crossed the LoC into the Haji Pir Pass sector -- that stands across India's Rampur sector -- killing one Pakistani soldier. The Haji Pir pass was returned to Pakistan after the 1965 India-Pakistan war.

India maintains that it had not crossed the LoC but had retaliated after being fired upon by Pakistani soldiers without any provocation.

There were 117 ceasefire violations in 2012 as against 60 in 2011 and only 57 in 2010. Top Indian Army officials say that in December 2012 alone there has been as many as 10 cases of ceasefire violations along the LoC and four infiltration attempts by terrorists. Fourteen terrorists were killed by the Indian Army in December alone.

Army will 'pay back in kind' for killings at right time - Rediff.com India News

seems Kayani wants to make his presence feel!!

Indian Gen behaving like a streetboy

 

[KRAIT]

Indian Gen behaving like a streetboy

Street boy ?

At least they don't do coup. They don't hide in London.

 

[MM_Haider]

Hahahaha....wahi to. Are ye dialogue famous ho gaya mera. Sunoge, suno

Match Mangoo, Series Denge,

Kashmir Mangoo, Chiir Denge. [/QUOt]

hahaha... filhaal to ham tumharay ghar aa kay maar k gay hain.. ... on every front...... agay ki agay dekhi jay gi..

 

[KRAIT]

hahaha... filhaal to ham tumharay ghar aa kay maar k gay hain.. ... on every front...... agay ki agay dekhi jay gi..

Wahi dekh raha hun. Ghar pe to tumhare ghus ke TTP maar rahi hai.

Soldiers ko kidnap kar leti hai. I mean, kidnap kaise kar leti hai

 

[Spring Onion]

Street boy ?

At least they don't do coup. They don't hide in London.

You are right since streetboys cant stage coups neither they can afford London

 

[Emmie]

well some nice news

dont worry guys ...IA will decide time as well as place ...

After that it would be PA's turn, they will decide the time and the place.. Koi doubt mat rakhna!

 

[Lyrical Mockery]

After that it would be PA's turn, they will decide the time and the place.. Koi doubt mat rakhna!

then India again, then Pakistan, then India......

Would be ever get out of this nonsensical cycle?

 

[Emmie]

then India again, then Pakistan, then India......

Would be ever get out of this nonsensical cycle?

I am afraid it would be an uninterrupted cycle, it was discussed on first few pages of this very thread...