Two Indian soldiers killed in LoC skirmish: Indian army
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NEW DELHI: Nobody wants to be on record, but many seasoned Pakistani watchers within the security establishment are beginning to suspect that Tuesday's attack on Indian soldiers may have been executed by the Special Services Group (SSG), the Pakistan army's commando unit. Reasons for this presumption are many most important being that the one operation that has most parallels with the attack was a strike of February 2000, which was suspected to be an action by the SSG.
"I don't have any credible evidence to say for sure, but the way the operation was carried out, the beheading etc point fingers at the SSG," said a senior official in the security establishment. He said it had an uncanny resemblance to the February 27, 2000, operation, which was led by Ilyas Kashmiri, the dreaded terrorist commander who was killed recently in a US drone attack.
Though some dispute it, many in the Indian establishment believe Kashmiri was actually a member of the SSG when he carried out the raid. A second group has said that Kashmiri was working in tandem with SSG and not really a member of the commando unit. But all of them agree on Kashmiri's SSG training for his Afghan missions and later operations in Kashmir.
According to the Army, the Pakistani attackers were wearing black uniforms, which is a standard SSG outfit. Started in 1950s, SSG has had active role in most of the wars with India, and it has also played a key role in the mujahideen war against Russians in Afghanistan through the 1980s. SSG is known to have significant operations along the Indian border.
The 2000 raid was on Ashok Listening Post, a remote advance post that had already been identified vulnerable by the commanding officer of 17 Maratha Light Infantry. Seven Indian soldiers were killed, and sepoy Bhausaheb Maruti Talekar (24) was beheaded and his severed head taken back to ***. Pakistani media has reported that Kashmiri paraded the head before Gen Pervez Musharraf and in the local town.
This time the attack came when three soldiers were part of a patrol party, close to LOC, and ahead of the fence. It is possible that the attackers lay in waiting through the night. In Tuesday's attack, they severed the head of one soldier, and tried to take the head of the other, but failed. They also took away the personal weapons of the two jawans. The third soldier escaped with injuries.
"It is almost a repeat of what happened in 2000," a second Kashmir hand said. He said the attackers were "either SSG members or terrorists".
A third source, who was involved in dealing with the 2000 attack, said the attack had an eerie resemblance to the 2000 attack and brought back memories of that raid. "But it could well be my hunch," he said.
However, there are two other probabilities. One, the attack was carried out by regular Pakistani soldiers. Second, it was an action by terrorists with the blessings of the Pakistani Army.
Whatever may be the scenario, and whoever may have carried out the attack, one thing is for sure in the Indian security establishment that it was not possible without the active support of the local Pakistani Army unit.
Pak cross-LoC raid: Brutality similar to 2000 strike by Ilyas Kashmiri - The Times of India
"I don't have any credible evidence to say for sure, but the way the operation was carried out, the beheading etc point fingers at the SSG," said a senior official in the security establishment. He said it had an uncanny resemblance to the February 27, 2000, operation, which was led by Ilyas Kashmiri, the dreaded terrorist commander who was killed recently in a US drone attack.
Though some dispute it, many in the Indian establishment believe Kashmiri was actually a member of the SSG when he carried out the raid. A second group has said that Kashmiri was working in tandem with SSG and not really a member of the commando unit. But all of them agree on Kashmiri's SSG training for his Afghan missions and later operations in Kashmir.
According to the Army, the Pakistani attackers were wearing black uniforms, which is a standard SSG outfit. Started in 1950s, SSG has had active role in most of the wars with India, and it has also played a key role in the mujahideen war against Russians in Afghanistan through the 1980s. SSG is known to have significant operations along the Indian border.
The 2000 raid was on Ashok Listening Post, a remote advance post that had already been identified vulnerable by the commanding officer of 17 Maratha Light Infantry. Seven Indian soldiers were killed, and sepoy Bhausaheb Maruti Talekar (24) was beheaded and his severed head taken back to ***. Pakistani media has reported that Kashmiri paraded the head before Gen Pervez Musharraf and in the local town.
This time the attack came when three soldiers were part of a patrol party, close to LOC, and ahead of the fence. It is possible that the attackers lay in waiting through the night. In Tuesday's attack, they severed the head of one soldier, and tried to take the head of the other, but failed. They also took away the personal weapons of the two jawans. The third soldier escaped with injuries.
"It is almost a repeat of what happened in 2000," a second Kashmir hand said. He said the attackers were "either SSG members or terrorists".
A third source, who was involved in dealing with the 2000 attack, said the attack had an eerie resemblance to the 2000 attack and brought back memories of that raid. "But it could well be my hunch," he said.
However, there are two other probabilities. One, the attack was carried out by regular Pakistani soldiers. Second, it was an action by terrorists with the blessings of the Pakistani Army.
Whatever may be the scenario, and whoever may have carried out the attack, one thing is for sure in the Indian security establishment that it was not possible without the active support of the local Pakistani Army unit.
Pak cross-LoC raid: Brutality similar to 2000 strike by Ilyas Kashmiri - The Times of India
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Indian Forces Shelling at LOC (10th jan 2013)
Tatta Pani(hot water) sector of Kashmir became another battlefield, one Pakistani soldier Havaldar Mohyudin martyred by Indian shelling , sources said
Tatta Pani(hot water) sector of Kashmir became another battlefield, one Pakistani soldier Havaldar Mohyudin martyred by Indian shelling , sources said
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There we go again. There was no need for the shelling at this time. Now the Pakistanis would retaliate. It will be one hot January there at the LoC. Expect shelling from both sides and more deaths.
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SSG???? i thought they are regarded here as one of a great special forces.... then i remember one dialogue.... You toooo Brutus?????
I am really confused with the intention of beheading...... What could be the reason????
I am really confused with the intention of beheading...... What could be the reason????
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Reports are that one Pakistani soldier has been martyred today. Third round of skirmishes today. This is going towards escalation, Indians should have been a little careful, now there's noway soldiers on our side wont strike for revenge, today or tomorrow.
That's a conspiracy theory from one of your countrymen. Last time I check SSG wasn't deployed at LoC, there's noway SSG will be called in just for an small operation. If, Pakistanis were really involved, it's not a difficult job for regular troops as well. Why bring in SSG? Sounds like a joke to me!
That's a conspiracy theory from one of your countrymen. Last time I check SSG wasn't deployed at LoC, there's noway SSG will be called in just for an small operation. If, Pakistanis were really involved, it's not a difficult job for regular troops as well. Why bring in SSG? Sounds like a joke to me!
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I really hope it doesnt get escalated.... and i see all chances of it.....
Bro .... I understand your khunnas..... but if it escalate.... it may go out of control... which is thats what the people who are behind this wants.... They want to shift the focus....
Bro .... I understand your khunnas..... but if it escalate.... it may go out of control... which is thats what the people who are behind this wants.... They want to shift the focus....
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Indian fire kills Pakistani soldier: Army – The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani military said Indian troops shot and killed a Pakistani soldier on Thursday, the third deadly cross-border incident reported in five days in divided Kashmir.
Pakistan Army soldier, Havildar Mohyuddin, embraced shahadat (martyrdom) due to unprovoked firing by Indian troops at Hotspring sector in Battal at 2:40pm today, the military said in a text message to reporters.
The two countries have largely observed ceasefire along the LoC in the last ten years and have also taken steps to normalise relations. Kashmir, one of the oldest UN-recognised unresolved disputes, however, remains the underlying cause of tensions between the two South Asian nuclear powers.
On January 8, India claimed that firing across the LoC by Pakistani soldiers had killed two of its troops, with the spokesman for the Indian Armys Northern Control stating this was a violation of the ceasefire agreed on by the two sides.
Pakistan has denied being involved in any incident of unprovoked firing, but cites an incident on January 6, when it says Indian troops attacked a base and killed one of its soldiers. In turn, India denies this and said its positions had been bombarded for five hours by Pakistan.
The United Nations Wednesday has on India and Pakistan to respect the ceasefire in the Kashmir.
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You may be right as there is no SSG involved.... but what difference it makes... it is done by paksitan army thats what it matters.. the same army which you call the most professional army in the world.. But you will have to add one famous word of urs "UN" infront of one word... I am sorry to say this... thats the truth buddy.
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