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Two Indian soldiers killed in LoC skirmish: Indian army

haan maat bulao wesy bhi to haar jaty ho phir double be izati hoti hai :rofl:
Hahahaha....wahi to. Are ye dialogue famous ho gaya mera. Sunoge, suno

Match Mangoo, Series Denge,

Kashmir Mangoo, Chiir Denge. :D
 
Guys, no conclusion can be reached.

OBL was never in Pakistan.
TTP is funded by India.
Evil Zionists want to break Pakistan
No Pakistani was involved in 26/11, then proofs, then they are non-state actors. Case closed.

As long as you deal with denial of this magnitude, do you think they will believe what IA says.

Bhains ke aage been naa bajao. Bus agli baar cricket ke liye mat bulao. :D

Case closed. Just mourn for these soldiers and get back to daily life.

You forgot to add the part that United Nations is funded and influenced by India :P Let them do the investigation before you jump the gun. :sniper:
 
PA says they didn't attack anyone. :D

I think they dispute the mode of attack alleged. Artillery shelling probably did took place.

I think when they say we didn't attack, they are disputing what Indians are saying that they came to they reciprocated the raid PA alleged a few days back.

Also - they won't say they attacked if IA fired first and they just did counter shelling.
 
Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh was one of two jawans killed by Pakistani troops near the Line of Control in Kashmir on Tuesday. At his Dadhiya village, in eastern Madhya Pradesh, his fellow-soldier Sandeep Singh, who accompanied the body, described the martyr's last moments. Sudhakar's last words before he fell prey to bullet wounds, were "Bharat Mata ki Jai (Glory to Mother India)," he said. He remembers the martyr as a great leader and good friend.

'Bharat Mata ki Jai' were the last words of Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh | NDTV.com

RIP and proud of you.
 
Hahahaha....wahi to. Are ye dialogue famous ho gaya mera. Sunoge, suno

Match Mangoo, Series Denge,

Kashmir Mangoo, Chiir Denge. :D
haan beeta per hum kashmir nhi mangty jitna hamary pass hai bhut hai :lol: haan series le leen gay
 
I think they dispute the mode of attack alleged. Artillery shelling probably did took place.
Kya fark padta hai.

2 din baad sab ka khoon thanda ho jayega. Soldier's life is cheap in both countries. No one cares about them.

Haven't you seen, when 1 Pakistani or 2 Indians are killed by each other, over 150 + pages of discussion, but when TTP beheads 15 soldiers, Maoists kill CRPF, no one talks.
 
indians wait for their dying soldiers to say the last word.

then indians cut his head for propaganda blitz.

then they thrown dead soldiers body in the forest.

Then india tells lie and fabricated story to dead soldier family.

Indian soldiers should ask themselves is this is what they get for serving?

Dear lord. Is this sloganeering what passes for commentary?
 
So anything particular people fighting over here about?

Indians attacked Pakistanis, Pakistanis attacked them back. That is all we know for sure, rest is just all speculation and he said, she said stuff.

The Indians are fighting dont know over what BUT we are fighting over their foul language and their foul claims

because

1. Pak Attacked/ Indian Attacked/ Soldiers died from both sides. Beheading incident happend on both sides so why Indians should be selective and not objective here.

2. we all want truth as well as INDIANS thats why Pakistan offered independent inquirey into the incident by UN but India refused.

Now the only option is that Indians should shuttt the fk up or let UN probe
 
Kya fark padta hai.

2 din baad sab ka khoon thanda ho jayega. Soldier's life is cheap in both countries. No one cares about them.

Haven't you seen, when 1 Pakistani or 2 Indians are killed by each other, over 150 + pages of discussion, but when TTP beheads 15 soldiers, Maoists kill CRPF, no one talks.

Thanda hona hi soldier ki izzat karna hai. "War war" karne walay soldier ki disrespect karte hain.

Kashmir issue ko soldiers ne nahi phasaya hua. Uncompromising zehniat ne phasaya hua hai.
 
Guys, no conclusion can be reached.

OBL was never in Pakistan.
TTP is funded by India.
Evil Zionists want to break Pakistan
No Pakistani was involved in 26/11, then proofs, then they are non-state actors. Case closed.

As long as you deal with denial of this magnitude, do you think they will believe what IA says.

Bhains ke aage been naa bajao. Bus agli baar cricket ke liye mat bulao. :D

Case closed. Just mourn for these soldiers and get back to daily life.

Tipping point for India-Pakistan relations? Video: NDTV.com


see this video and it clearly proves that they live to be in denial and they prefer it coz just it suits their mind.
General qns raised here..

Here najam sethi said that this is not done by army as this is not our code of conduct.
i have few Qns ..


1)start at 49:00 and look at the father of captain saurabh.I dont know how i watched him but he said that "" yeh log jhooth bolte and yeh inki aadat hai""

pakistanis said that captain was killed due to weather and may be birds but there were signs of torture from burns and jaw was out of mouth and no eye brows ..i never knew that birds smoke cigrattes and how ear drums etc ..bla bla ...

and who did that?

2) ilyas kashmiri beheaded one of the soldier and gave head of soldier to musharaf...


so here case is closed for code of conduct :lol:



3) They even lied that kargil is done by pak army NLI and 200 soldiers are burried in india or 270 + and they silently accepted that 450+ died.

so who is going to trust them? and so called code of conduct.

+

same stories are found in balochistan where bodies tied with trees and mutilated bodies are found and they say that islam dont allow? should i post videos of karachi violence here ?

so you are banging head with rocks while dealing softly ..
 
Runaway grandmother sparked savage skirmish on LoC

Indian bunker construction on the northern reaches of the Line of Control — initiated after a grandmother crossed into Pakistan-administered Kashmir to be with her sons — sparked off a spiral of violence which culminated in the brutal killing of two soldiers in an ambush earlier this week, highly placed military and government sources have told The Hindu.

The clashes, among the worst on the Line of Control since a ceasefire went into place, have provoked fears that the ceasefire may melt down. In India, news that the two soldiers were beheaded has provoked widespread outrage and calls for large-scale military retaliation.

Innocuous origins

However, the officials who spoke to The Hindu had a very different account — of how a relatively innocuous incident spiralled into a series of murderous clashes, before culminating in the killing of Lance-Naik Sudhakar Singh and Lance-Naik Hemraj. Both armies, the officials said, engaged in aggressive action, driven by the still-fraught situation on the Line of Control.

Early in September, 70-year old Reshma Bi, left the village of Charonda, near Uri, to live with her sons and grandchildren across the Line of Control.

Ms. Reshma and her husband Ibrahim Lohar, a highly-placed military source said, had remained in Charonda after their sons crossed into Pakistan-administered Kashmir several years ago, to escape police investigations of their alleged role in cross-border trafficking. Police officers contacted by The Hindu said that Ms. Reshma appeared to have left in the hope of living out her last years with her family.

Ms. Reshma’s September 11 flight, a senior Srinagar-based military official said, set off alarms at the Uri-headquartered 19 infantry brigade. There, the incident was seen as highlighting vulnerabilities in defences along this stretch of the Line of Control. Charonda is located within metres of the Line of Control, outside of the three-layer counter-infiltration fencing which runs along the frontier.

Inside of a week after Ms. Reshma’s departure, troops of the 9 Maratha Light Infantry began constructing observations bunkers around Charonda, seeking to monitor the movement of villagers.

The construction work — barred by the terms of the Line of Control ceasefire which India and Pakistan agreed on in 2003 — provoked furious protests from Pakistani troops. Indian commanders, the military source said, conceded that the construction was in violation of the ceasefire.

However, they refused to stop work, arguing that the posts faced out towards the village, posing no threat to Pakistan. Early in October, the official said, tensions began to escalate. Pakistan even made announcements over a public address system, demanding that Indian troops end the construction work.

Following the announcement, shells followed. Pakistani troops fired mortar and high-calibre automatic weapons at Indian forward positions. The fire missed its intended target, but killed three villagers, 25-year-old Mohammad Shafi Khatana, 20-year-old Shaheena Bano, and a ninth-grade school student, Liaqat Ali. In the weeks leading up to the New Year, military sources said, hardly a week went by without occasional shots being fired at troops headed to the new observation posts.

Finally, on January 6, matters came to a head. Following a low-grade exchange of fire that night, 19 Infantry Division commander Gulab Singh Rawat sought and obtained permission for aggressive action against the Pakistani position from where his troops were being targeted.

Pakistan insists its post, Sawan Patra, was raided by Indian troops. India has denied the allegation. “None of our troops crossed the Line of Control,” said Jagdish Dahiya, an Indian army spokesperson.

Either way, though, a Pakistani soldier was dead before the shooting ended — and another critically injured.

“Let’s just put it this way,” a senior government official in New Delhi said, “there was no formal permission to stage a cross-border raid to target Sawan Patra. However, in the heat of fighting, these things have been known to happen. Pakistan has done this, and our forces have done this, ever since fighting began in Jammu and Kashmir in 1990.”

Pakistani retaliation

Pakistan chose to retaliate against the Indian action in one of the few sectors on the Line of Control where its troops have a relative tactical advantage. Fighting has been underway in the Krishna Ghati sector, on the southern end of the Haji Pir pass, since June. The skirmishes there had earlier claimed the life of Border Security Force constable P.K. Mishra and Indian Army soldier Harvinder Singh. The fighting in the summer also began with disputes over the construction of new border outposts by India.

Few details have emerged on the attack, but government sources in New Delhi said a Pakistani Border Action Team — assault units that in the past have been reported to consist of both jihadists and members of the élite Special Services Group — are believed to have carried out the attack.

“It is almost certainly a retaliation for what happened in Charonda”, a military official in New Delhi said. “This kind of thing has often happened in the past, though it hasn’t got quite so much media attention.”

Last year, for example, there was fierce fighting Karnah, some 140 kilometres from Srinagar after two Indian soldiers were beheaded in an attack on a forward position by a Border Action Team. Indian special forces responded by targeting a Pakistani forward post, killing several soldiers and, by the account of one military official, which The Hindu could not corroborate independently, beheaded two.

Earlier, in July, 2008, four Pakistani troops and an Indian solider were killed in fighting near Handwara, again because of disputes over the construction of new fortifications around an Indian position, code named Eagle Post. BSF constable Bhanwar Lal was killed in a separate clash along the LoC in Rajouri, while 8 Gurkha Rifles’ Jawashwar Lami Chhame died when jihadists backed by Pakistani troops shelled an Indian forward post in Poonch.

In some cases, fighting and bonhomie have gone hand in hand in different stretches of the LoC. In September 2009, Pakistani military commanders gave their Indian counterparts packets and sweets on the occasion of Eid, even as their soldiers were exchanging fire along the Krishna Ghati sector, as well as on Pargwal island, near Nikowal in Jammu.

The Hindu : News / National : Runaway grandmother sparked savage skirmish on LoC
 
Uri commander’s forceful retaliation led to beheadings?
As New Delhi raged over the attack by Pakistani troops claiming the lives of two Indian soldiers on Indian soil, and the mutilation of the bodies, the Union ministry of home has received inputs that suggest that Indian army units in the Uri sector could have provoked the incident. While there was sporadic firing exchanged in some parts ofthe LoC, a cross-border raid by the ghatak (commando) platoon of the 9th Maratha Light Infantry (MLI) in the early hours of Sunday could have been the provocation.

Top sources in the Union Home and defence ministries told DNA that the Pakistani attack was in all likelihood a retaliation for the attack carried out by 9 MLI.

The commander of the 161 brigade, stationed in the Churchunda sub-sector, Brigadier Gulab Singh Rawat, had decided to take a very aggressive posture. Sources said that he asked the commanding officer of 9 MLI to take “proactive action”, to launch a quick raid against a post that was harassing Indian positions.

The successful Indian raid led to the death of a Pakistaninon-commissioned officer and escalated tensions across the LoC.


Normally, such an escalation leads to the issuing of a formal alert from the Udhampur-based North Command of the army to all its formations. This alert should have gone out to all the three corps that it commands — the Nagrota (Jammu) based 16 Corps, the Srinagar-based 15 Corps and the Leh-based 14 Corps.

Of these, 14 and 15 Corps are the most active as they man the LoC from Jammu right through to Kargil, from where 14 Corps takes over.

Incidentally, the neighbouring 12 Brigade in Uri had just seen a change of command after Brig RK Singh took over from Brig BS Raju. Any change of command of a major formation on the LoC is a sensitive time and troops are expected to be on high alert. The absence of the alert led to all the formations running things as business as usual. That was when the Pakistanis decided to retaliate in the Mendhar sector that is part of the northern Jammu region.

This area is manned by the 25th Division of the Indian Army and 13 Rajputana Rifles was one of the battalions manning this sector.

While army headquarters believes that the attack was carried out by men from the Baloch regiment, it has not ruled out the role of a team of the Special Service Group (SSG) which is part of the elite Pakistani Special Forces. Reports suggest that the attacking party was dressed in black dungarees usually preferred by the SSG.

Another intelligence input suggests that this could have been an attack carried out by irregulars from the LeT after its chief, Hafeez Saeed started raising “Border Action Guards” to attack Indian troop positions on the LoC. Indian intelligence experts have ruled out the attack as a major shift in policy on part of the Pakistani General Headquarters (GHC) in Rawalpindi.

“We believe that this was a local action purely in retaliation of what the raid our troops carried out in the Uri sector,” a senior intelligence official told DNA. The Union home ministry is also looking at the role played by Brig Rawat and whether his “aggressive posture” could have been avoided.

There is a feeling in the government that Brig Rawat has a very “aggressive track record” which could have escalated tensions on the LoC at a time when the nine-year-old ceasefire was holding up well. An inquiry into the incident has been ordered by Army Headquarters and a decision on Brig Rawat could also be taken in the coming days.
DNA exclusive: Uri commander’s forceful retaliation led to beheadings? - India - DNA
 
I have no idea why Indians here ( Some of them i Respect ) are not thinking with theirs Brains Intact , If you look at your own media you will find at least 4-5 versions of the same story , in one Head is Severed , in one He spoke last words before dying , and in one the head is still missing .

I Have seen the Area where this (Alleged ) Incident Happened , There is no place where a Party can Hide for an Ambush on Patrols of Indian soldiers , Indian patrols move in parties compromising of 8-12 soldiers , with groups of 2 soldiers each moving with distance of 10m from the other group & so on .

In Fog the distance reduces significantly , so it is not possible to Attack & then to withdraw without leaving any traces ( But lets say it did happen ) , the Pakistani Side of LOC is 470m from the place where incident took place , & it takes 30 minutes for back up to arrive give or take depending on the weather .

So The window of Attack the Alleged Attackers had was only 30 minute , in that time they crossed the Border , Ambushed a Patrol , Killed two soldiers Injured the Rest , Took Weapons from the Soldiers and went back , the backup of IA arrived , they heard they the last words of dying soldiers & took injured solders with hem , leaving the dead behind , and then the Attackers come again , decapitate the dead & go back . Even though there should have been troops from the back up there as it is standard procedure to secure the area after you take the injured back .

An mind you all this Happened at 11:45am , When Fog was about to lift & vision was very Clear . in just 30 minutes.

I mean come on , you Expect me to believe this fairy tale ? , if it was only Attack that i could believe as it is possible , but the rest is nothing more then piece of cap that Indian Media is Carving , for reasons unknown yet .

What you said is all logical and sane. But it is useless to talk logic with Indians at these point of time. They a bit emotional nowadays. A lot dramaibazi would be done on this issue by Bharatis for some time. So logic won't work for now.
 
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