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Turkish soldiers being martyred for Arabs

They don't die for arabs if they fight pkk or other rats then they do it for you me him and the country..

I never saw a turkish soldier intending to die for others than our country when they fight against the rat flood..

Krg is a cancer and cancer must be cut off any help assistance or other idiotic moves hurts the country krg is directly showing Kurdistan maps until Diyarbakır is reached

I do not know how shortsighted ppl can be those rats have been grown into a state and the time will come and they will have planes wich we will be denied off also alike rockets tanks advanced ammunition helicopters and so on.. So I say it again that cancer must be cut off

I prefer a Saddam over krg look Saddam never claimed land from us he didn't bomb our cities as he had the full right to do because our stupid leaders supported the war against Iraq but krg is and was a hostile entity and it will cause further damage and instability we need to find a way to destroy all of them
 
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We saw how those "rivals" fought together in Kirkuk against Iraqi and Turkmen forces.
Barzanistan is neither our friend nor ally, he is just a b!tch which needs us economically and we profit from his desperate situation.

Barzani also supports YPG's efforts in N.Syria, and his troops fought on many fronts together with PKK.

I still prefere Barzani troops dying in Northern Syria while being in direct rivalry with pro-PKK YPG and at the same time causing rupture in the entire movement due to their internal competition
Is that your intellect to think strategically? Do you really believe that bs you spread here?
The more you talk, the more of your true intentions are visible for us.

PKK/YPG/KRG no matter which one of them, their goal is this:
Problems between them is just ideology wise...
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ppl can be pro this or that or even a nudist.. but if it comes to the security of our country we should not make any compromises! no one will gonna help you if you are in need and countryless..

you see the tragedy of the syrians.. their fate, security, a place to sleep is in the hands of others, if others do not help they have nothing no one is forced to take them EU take some of them and they feed and help them? yes but they are not forced to do so same goes for turkey.. and the arabs? the rich arabs give almost a shit about them except smaller states or countries who suffer also problems like lebanon you cant say they are big or rich, that counts also for jordan.. if the rich arabs give a fck about their own kind do ppl think they will be better towards us? we have our own country and the security of her should be the upmost priority.. if you wanna give your children a future than dont rely on other to feed you and secure you

the heyenas have gathered around our country in the east and in the west the sad thing is they are all around us and are waiting and cooperating to grab some parts of the meat..
 
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Welcom Vatan Hainleri. This shit will be in Turkish school books 20-30 years from now in the Treason against the state chapter. Adamlar senin önünde dalga geciyor sen oturmusun onu yapak bunu yapak. For two years now they are laughing in your face and in return you deliver them a pkk statelet and the security of your border on a silver platter.
 
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Welcom Vatan Hainleri. This shit will be in Turkish school books 20-30 years from now in the Treason against the state chapter. Adamlar senin önünde dalga geciyor sen oturmusun onu yapak bunu yapak. For two years now they are laughing in your face and in return you deliver them a pkk statelet and the security of your border on a silver platter.[/QUOTE]
Erdoğan is politiclyy weak. He is trying to gain USA and consalidate his position. this roadmap cant be sustained. There is no trust between TR and USA not the mention PKK. So this map is doomed to fail.
 
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Welcom Vatan Hainleri. This shit will be in Turkish school books 20-30 years from now in the Treason against the state chapter. Adamlar senin önünde dalga geciyor sen oturmusun onu yapak bunu yapak. For two years now they are laughing in your face and in return you deliver them a pkk statelet and the security of your border on a silver platter.

Lets wait and see Brother. Right now everything can happen and btw this map you are referring to was what US proposed first time and Turkey denied that. They haven't come to an agreement yet so still everything can happen. of course I also wanted a full scale operation without any involvement or agreement with US - but the situation is like it is and we now just have to wait and see...
 
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hard to understand what this '' security zone'' provides for us what will be diffrent from now! PKK dogs are still there and will be there, safe and secure with their heighly improved fighting capacity and weapon inventory! This is just an appeasement! We should destroy their fighting capacity.
 
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Few days ago I tagged the most vehement AKP fanatics on this forum. I called them out about this stupid safe zone deal. They haven't replied yet.... I'm hoping that this is because they finally realize they're on the wrong side. The truth hurts, doesn't it? Erdogan will do anything to stay in power, including another peace deal with PKK. He'll gain K*rdish votes while losing almost no votes from Çomars..
 
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You mean they should fight on behalf of the SAA and bomb the groups (terrorists) erdogan has organized right.



Turkey was the main player in fucking up Syria, you own that problem. Did you have any of such problems before 2010? No but your AKP had to **** it up.

We own that problem? If we wanted to **** Syria up, this wouldn't have been the outcome. You know that. :)
 
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Can someone post the article here? It wants me to pay for an online newspaper in 2019 :)

Everything in Washington is always “red alert,” with foreign-policy analysts, policymakers, and journalists permanently anxious about some far-reaching disaster about to befall the United States. And so it was for the last few weeks when so many seemed convinced that Turkey would invade northeast Syria. The Trump administration, the Washington Post reported, was undertaking “last-ditch” efforts to stave off what would surely be disaster. News reports and analysts referenced “indicators” that the mighty Turkish Armed Forces were about to pour across Syria’s border. Then nothing happened.

It may very well be that skillful U.S. diplomacy averted Turkey’s invasion, evidence for which is an agreement on northeastern Syria that Turkish and American officials initialed on Aug. 7. Yet there’s a reason officials in Ankara triumphantly claim the agreement represents Washington’s acquiescence to their position. It is odd that so few considered the possibility that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s threats to invade were a bluff, a negotiating tactic deployed in bad faith. The Turkish president understands Washington well. He knew he would be able to get folks inside the Beltway all spun up by threatening to kill off the U.S.-Turkey strategic partnership—the idea, which has guided bilateral policy for decades, that the countries share broad foreign-policy goals and a vision for achieving them. Erdogan knows that the partnership is already dead and is happy to take advantage of any Americans who don’t.

To be sure, it wasn’t entirely fanciful to believe that the Turks might invade Syria. Erdogan has threatened to order the Turkish military into northeastern Syria eight times since January 2018, the last three warnings coming between late July and early August of this year. And Erdogan is generally a man of his word. In late summer 2016, the Turks launched Operation Euphrates Shield across the Syrian border, and in early 2018, the Turkish military—along with the Free Syrian Army—occupied Afrin. Most important, the Turks have a motive. Turkish leaders, average Turks, and almost every Western analyst recognize that the Syrian Kurdish fighting force known as the People’s Protection Units (YPG)—the principle target of a would-be Turkish incursion—is directly connected to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a terrorist group that has been waging war on Turkey for the better part of four decades.

Still, any objective analysis would have revealed many compelling reasons to believe that the Turks’ threats were a bluff designed to coerce concessions from Washington. First, the invasion wasn’t necessary. The territory that the Kurds call Rojava (Western Kurdistan) is already split. Turkey controls territory from Jarabulus in the east to the Turkish border in the west. As long as the Turks remain, and there is no indication they are planning to leave, the Kurds will not be able to unify the land they covet for a state.

Second, for all the bluster from Erdogan, the Turks have been mostly cautious in Syria. One can certainly understand Turkish anger and fear concerning cross-border terrorism, but a large Turkish military operation in Syria would likely leave Turkey more vulnerable to terrorist attacks given the resulting asymmetric warfare Kurds would undertake in response. The Turks need look no further than Israel’s unhappy experience in Lebanon to understand the risks of an intervention. What Erdogan has threatened—deploying forces east of the Euphrates River—is different and harder to achieve than the more limited interventions that the Turks (with pro-Turkish Syrian militias in the lead) have undertaken in the recent past. Turkey certainly has a sophisticated, highly capable military, but it risks getting stuck in Syria in a prolonged conflict with the YPG. The Turkish armed forces have yet to prevail against the PKK within Turkey, so why would Turkish military planners believe they could deliver a deathblow to the YPG in Syria? They likely don’t, which is part of the reason the Turks didn’t invade and probably never intended to.

Finally, the U.S. presence in northeastern Syria benefits the Turks—it just prefers not to act that way. It makes it easier for Erdogan to bluster (and score domestic political points) without ever having to order a soldier into battle. If the modest number of U.S. forces were not there, Erdogan would likely be less bellicose, because the realities of Syria are constraining Turkey. The U.S. presence in Syria is a win for Erdogan. He gets to beat up Washington, and he doesn’t have to actually make good on his repeated promises to invade, while looking strong.

The whole episode is revealing of the rather odd juncture at which the U.S. foreign-policy community finds itself concerning Turkey. Although there is ample evidence that Turkey is not and does not want to be a strategic partner of the United States, some analysts and policymakers desperately want to believe otherwise. Turkey is alleged to be of vast importance in the great power competition with China and Russia that is now upon the United States and in the confrontation with Iran. This is the same country that has helped Iran evade sanctions, has purchased a Russian air defense system designed to shoot down U.S. aircraft, and has gone mum on the plight of Chinese Muslims herded into detention camps.

In their attempts to explain away Turkish efforts to complicate or undermine U.S. policy, analysts and policymakers tend to blame the United States for the deterioration in bilateral ties, often suggesting that whatever Turkish leaders are doing is just domestic politics and can be ignored. This inevitably leads to policy prescriptions that border on the absurd. It was appropriate that the United States canceled Turkey’s participation in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program over Ankara’s purchase of Russia’s S-400 missile defense system, but instead of penalizing Turkey as required by the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, some policymakers floated the idea of offering Ankara a free trade agreement if the Turkish military did not turn on the S-400.

Keep in mind that the recent Turkish threats to invade Syria came at around the same time that the debate about the sanctions act was heating up. Erdogan’s thunder quickly changed the conversation. In the ensuing tizzy, U.S. policymakers looked for ways to prevent the Turks from doing something that they likely were not going to anyway. That came in the form of a three-point agreement that calls for the United States “to address Turkey’s security concerns,” stand up a joint operations center in Turkey’s southeast, and establish a safe zone in northern Syria. The likely effect of this agreement will be to draw the United States further into Syria and in the process render Washington responsible for Turkey’s security. These are commitments that the Turks have been seeking for some time.

It was an extraordinary achievement for Erdogan. The Turkish leader likely doesn’t play poker, but he probably should.
 
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Erdogan Plays Washington Like a Fiddle
As U.S. policymakers worry about their special relationship with Ankara, Turkey’s president knows it's already dead.
Steven A. CookAugust 15, 2019, 6:05 AM
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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan prepares to speak at the Brookings Institution, March 31, 2016 in Washington, DC. Drew Angerer/Getty Images

Everything in Washington is always “red alert,” with foreign-policy analysts, policymakers, and journalists permanently anxious about some far-reaching disaster about to befall the United States. And so it was for the last few weeks when so many seemed convinced that Turkey would invade northeast Syria. The Trump administration, the Washington Post reported, was undertaking “last-ditch” efforts to stave off what would surely be disaster. News reports and analysts referenced “indicators” that the mighty Turkish Armed Forces were about to pour across Syria’s border. Then nothing happened.

It may very well be that skillful U.S. diplomacy averted Turkey’s invasion, evidence for which is an agreement on northeastern Syria that Turkish and American officials initialed on Aug. 7. Yet there’s a reason officials in Ankara triumphantly claim the agreement represents Washington’s acquiescence to their position. It is odd that so few considered the possibility that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s threats to invade were a bluff, a negotiating tactic deployed in bad faith. The Turkish president understands Washington well. He knew he would be able to get folks inside the Beltway all spun up by threatening to kill off the U.S.-Turkey strategic partnership—the idea, which has guided bilateral policy for decades, that the countries share broad foreign-policy goals and a vision for achieving them. Erdogan knows that the partnership is already dead and is happy to take advantage of any Americans who don’t.

To be sure, it wasn’t entirely fanciful to believe that the Turks might invade Syria. Erdogan has threatened to order the Turkish military into northeastern Syria eight times since January 2018, the last three warnings coming between late July and early August of this year. And Erdogan is generally a man of his word. In late summer 2016, the Turks launched Operation Euphrates Shield across the Syrian border, and in early 2018, the Turkish military—along with the Free Syrian Army—occupied Afrin. Most important, the Turks have a motive. Turkish leaders, average Turks, and almost every Western analyst recognize that the Syrian Kurdish fighting force known as the People’s Protection Units (YPG)—the principle target of a would-be Turkish incursion—is directly connected to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a terrorist group that has been waging war on Turkey for the better part of four decades.

Still, any objective analysis would have revealed many compelling reasons to believe that the Turks’ threats were a bluff designed to coerce concessions from Washington. First, the invasion wasn’t necessary. The territory that the Kurds call Rojava (Western Kurdistan) is already split. Turkey controls territory from Jarabulus in the east to the Turkish border in the west. As long as the Turks remain, and there is no indication they are planning to leave, the Kurds will not be able to unify the land they covet for a state.

Second, for all the bluster from Erdogan, the Turks have been mostly cautious in Syria. One can certainly understand Turkish anger and fear concerning cross-border terrorism, but a large Turkish military operation in Syria would likely leave Turkey more vulnerable to terrorist attacks given the resulting asymmetric warfare Kurds would undertake in response. The Turks need look no further than Israel’s unhappy experience in Lebanon to understand the risks of an intervention. What Erdogan has threatened—deploying forces east of the Euphrates River—is different and harder to achieve than the more limited interventions that the Turks (with pro-Turkish Syrian militias in the lead) have undertaken in the recent past. Turkey certainly has a sophisticated, highly capable military, but it risks getting stuck in Syria in a prolonged conflict with the YPG. The Turkish armed forces have yet to prevail against the PKK within Turkey, so why would Turkish military planners believe they could deliver a deathblow to the YPG in Syria? They likely don’t, which is part of the reason the Turks didn’t invade and probably never intended to.

Finally, the U.S. presence in northeastern Syria benefits the Turks—it just prefers not to act that way. It makes it easier for Erdogan to bluster (and score domestic political points) without ever having to order a soldier into battle. If the modest number of U.S. forces were not there, Erdogan would likely be less bellicose, because the realities of Syria are constraining Turkey. The U.S. presence in Syria is a win for Erdogan. He gets to beat up Washington, and he doesn’t have to actually make good on his repeated promises to invade, while looking strong.

The whole episode is revealing of the rather odd juncture at which the U.S. foreign-policy community finds itself concerning Turkey. Although there is ample evidence that Turkey is not and does not want to be a strategic partner of the United States, some analysts and policymakers desperately want to believe otherwise. Turkey is alleged to be of vast importance in the great power competition with China and Russia that is now upon the United States and in the confrontation with Iran. This is the same country that has helped Iran evade sanctions, has purchased a Russian air defense system designed to shoot down U.S. aircraft, and has gone mum on the plight of Chinese Muslims herded into detention camps.

In their attempts to explain away Turkish efforts to complicate or undermine U.S. policy, analysts and policymakers tend to blame the United States for the deterioration in bilateral ties, often suggesting that whatever Turkish leaders are doing is just domestic politics and can be ignored. This inevitably leads to policy prescriptions that border on the absurd. It was appropriate that the United States canceled Turkey’s participation in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program over Ankara’s purchase of Russia’s S-400 missile defense system, but instead of penalizing Turkey as required by the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, some policymakers floated the idea of offering Ankara a free trade agreement if the Turkish military did not turn on the S-400.

Keep in mind that the recent Turkish threats to invade Syria came at around the same time that the debate about the sanctions act was heating up. Erdogan’s thunder quickly changed the conversation. In the ensuing tizzy, U.S. policymakers looked for ways to prevent the Turks from doing something that they likely were not going to anyway. That came in the form of a three-point agreement that calls for the United States “to address Turkey’s security concerns,” stand up a joint operations center in Turkey’s southeast, and establish a safe zone in northern Syria. The likely effect of this agreement will be to draw the United States further into Syria and in the process render Washington responsible for Turkey’s security. These are commitments that the Turks have been seeking for some time.

It was an extraordinary achievement for Erdogan. The Turkish leader likely doesn’t play poker, but he probably should.

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Silly man you are taking things out of context to push your joke of an agenda.

What do you want Turkey to do? Go to war with thr US forces guarding the Kurds?

Only childish when it comes to attacking your leader. Cowardly as hell otherwise


@Armchair Warning issued for inappropriate language !
@all, Stay on topic please.
 
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