Turkish Air Defence Programs

[damm1t]

Eventally a country like Turkey which cant make a...

So what ? Indians still sh!t on the streets in public but the irony is we don't give a sh!t to you and your country..

 

[Oublious]

He is a troll with his fake account. He is not com to talk but troll.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

He doesn't know anything about how the world functions, there exists ten thousands of patents everybody must respect.
We are not living in China were rules are ignored.

Aselsan is a R&D company from the 1980's with excellent networks around the globe.

It is also no secret that Roketsan is cooperating with Bayernchemie (MBDA).

 

[Bismarck]

Trolling or not. Question is, is @ramaks right with his claim or not. This need an expertly disput not any insults!

@ramaks

Btw, which German missiles turkey produce on license (with source plz)?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

German missiles

Bro. On ILA 2014 Roketsan and MBDA agreed to integrate Turkish CIRIT into German Tiger Helikopters and strong technological and business ties.
Bayernchemie is a MBDA company and the competency center for dual pulse missile technology.

 

[Bismarck]

Bro. On ILA 2014 Roketsan and MBDA agreed to integrate Turkish CIRIT into German Tiger Helikopters and strong technological and business ties.
Bayernchemie is a MBDA company and the competency center for dual pulse missile technology.

I know (UH Tiger heli).

 

[era_shield]

Trolling or not. Question is, is @ramaks right with his claim or not. This need an expertly disput not any insults!

All he has done is made assertions without any evidence other than "they look similar". It shouldn't be the burden of this forum to debunk every baseless claim made by every troll here. My suggestion to you is stop feeding trolls, and learn to tell the difference between honest criticism and trolling.

 

[UkroTurk]

Trolling or not. Question is, is @ramaks right with his claim or not. This need an expertly disput not any insults!

@ramaks

Btw, which German missiles turkey produce on license (with source plz)?

True? or False? Does Turkey have to pay for license to EU for security of European Union??
What the hell ? Europeans should appreciate fot that Turkey stop threaning Russian, Syria and ISIS.
Europeans should give free this systems and kiss our dic...k.
Arrogance!!!

I think HISAR and Umkhonyo spesification very similar. Its great We have own air defence systems I aprricated who did.

I think this article will be good reference for HISAR.

Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM)
Is this the cheapest vertical-launch naval SAM?
South African Rand R30,480,223.92 = ~$3 million per Umkhonto system including launchers
R41,986,000 = ~$4.2 million unspecified number of Umkhonto Block 2 missiles

Each South African Navy frigate carries 16 Umkhonto SAMs. Assuming the order is for restocking one ship = ~$400,000 per missile. If the order is for all four frigates = ~$100,000 per Umkhonto missile -> MANPADS pricing. Works much like CAMM (datalink, no specialized fire control system needed) down to a land-based version using the same missiles. A product deserving of examination.

For the sake of comparison, according to the Israelis one Iron Dome missile costs between $25,000 to $40,000 each. The latest Israeli-American Patriot PAAC-4 uses the Stunner SAM, which costs "20 percent of the estimated US $2 million unit cost of the Lockheed-built PAC-3 missiles" = $400,000 each for a Mach 6 missile. Low-cost missiles are the name of the game.

09 February 2010

Cost: R30,480,223.92.

System components: Missiles, vertical launcher system, support equipment.

General:

The Umkhonto missile system provides point defence against high-speed aircraft and missiles at ranges up to 12km. The system provides all-round protection, including zenith, and has a “very high saturation level through the use of vertical launching, automatic flight control together with multi-targeting capabilities.

The Umkhonto-IR missile uses a two-colour infra-red homing seeker – similar to that aboard the SA Air Force’s V3D (Denel U-Darter) air-to-air missile (AAM) - and operates in the lock-on after launch (LOAL) mode. This means it receives target vector updates from the mother ship during the midcourse guidance phase, enabling it to make course corrections as required as required to counter target manoeuvres.

The Umkhonto IR is reputedly the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL and can engage “eight or more” different targets simultaneously, using the ships’ Thales MRR (multi-role radar). Upon launch the missile is said to fly to a lock-on point using inertial navigation. At the designated spot the missile activates its IR seeker and locks on.

Defence Web

07 October 2010

Frigate project director Rear Admiral (JG) Johnny Kamerman at a media conference in 2006 said the development of the system had begun in 1993. South Africa decided to develop its own system even after sanctions was lifted because high-end systems such as the US Aegis were unaffordable -- "we can't afford the launchers, let alone the missiles," Kamerman explained -- and low-end systems like shoulder-launched missiles were "a waste of time". . . .

But he also questions the notion that Umkhonto IR is just a good-weather system. “If you can just highlight that's not the case. The fact that the SA and Finnish navies have selected Umkhonto after in-depth studies – despite typical naval weather conditions – says it all. How this missile works is you have an advanced 3D radar on the ship or launch point and that keeps tracking the target after the missile is fired and via datalink guides the missile to within the last kilometre or so.

“Only then does the IR seeker become active. The more accurate the 3D radar is, the more you can do and the better the performance as an all-weather system. The IR seeker is just used for the last pinpoint accuracy. The better the radar, the better the missile.” It is therefore no longer clear that the all-weather variant will be radar guided as was provided for in earlier thinking.

Defence Web

19 April 2011

The South African Navy (SAN) has ordered what appears to be a R42 million resupply of Umkhonto surface-to-air missiles (SAM) for its Valour-class frigates. The order, for R41,986,000, was placed last week Thursday.

Defence Web


Umkhonto Missiles to Equip Visby Corvettes?
This Umkhonto (“spear”) relies on inertial guidance coordinates transmitted by the attached 3-D radar, followed by lock-on after launch with the infrared seeker. The entire system is capable of engaging up to 8 targets, and has a range of 12 km and a maximum intercept altitude of about 10 km/ 33,000 feet. Umkhonto is currently in service on Finland’s Hamina class missile boats and Hameenmaa class minelayers, on South Africa’s new Meko Class frigates, and by the South African Army as a land-based SAM(Surface to Air Missile) system.

 

[GOKHAN TAYLAN]

nice news =)

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Interesting US-Air Force wanted quotation from ASELSAN for Ring Gyros

SOL: 66 -- RING LASER GYRO (04/23/01)

Department of the Air Force, Air Force Materiel Command

Written procedure will be used for this solicitation. To: Honeywell Inc, Clearwater Fl 33764-7290. To: Aselsan Military Electronics Ind, Ankara Tu. To: Litton Systems Inc, Woodland Hills Ca 91367-6621.

 

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Trolling or not. Question is, is @ramaks right with his claim or not. This need an expertly disput not any insults!

@ramaks

Btw, which German missiles turkey produce on license (with source plz)?

It's about as true as @Hurshid Celebi saying Aselsan is using Rheinmetalls' AHEAD munitions for KORKUT. No source, just allegation.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Combat-Master
Bro. You know how Police has try to find evidence and later Justice depends on their investigations.

That's the same here. MKEK has no AHEAD ammo line up to now. Aselsan is no ammo producent but fuze producent.
Oerlikon Contraves was a main Turkish supplier and is now Rheinmetal.

Remember MANTIS trials in Turkey.



What is closer as to allegate on that ?

BTW I am not Seymour Hersh

 

[UkroTurk]

If the news true, ASELSAN and Roketsan supply PATRIOT?
Turkey already decided produce own Patriot.
News from 2014.
0:55e dikkat. Salladi mi ne?

 

[GOKHAN TAYLAN]

If the news true, ASELSAN and Roketsan supply PATRIOT?
Turkey already decided produce own Patriot.
News from 2014.
0:55e dikkat. Salladi mi ne?

PATRIOT Füzesinin Kontrol Tahrik Sistemi ve Entegrasyonu « Roketsan


ABD’de yerleşik Raytheon firması tarafından üretilen Patriot Uzun Menzilli Hava Savunma Sistemi füzesi olan GEM-T içerisinde bulunan Kontrol Tahrik Sisteminin üretimini ve uçuş öncesi tümleşik testlerinin yapılmasını kapsayan projedir.
Projenin Tanımı
ABD’de yerleşik Raytheon firması tarafından üretilen Patriot Uzun Menzilli Hava Savunma Sistemi füzesi olan GEM-T içerisinde bulunan Kontrol Tahrik Sisteminin üretimini ve uçuş öncesi tümleşik testlerinin yapılmasını kapsayan projedir.

Projenin Açıklaması
Roketsan, GEM-T Füzesinin Kontrol Tahrik Bölümü Üretim Hattının kalifiye edilmesi ile Patriot GEM-T Füzesi Kontrol Bölümü üretimi için dünyada tek kaynak olmuştur. Proje kapsamında Raytheon firması tarafından Roketsan’a 2010 ve 2011 yıllarında “Tedarikçi Mükemmeliyeti” ödülleri, 2012 yılında ise tercih edilen tedarikçi ödülü verilmiştir.

 

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