The biggest threat for Turkey around its borders is Greece and Iran. S400 could be very strong instrument to apply pressure over Greece and in possible conflict to down and keep out of range the greek jets. Also some people says that S400 could possibly stop ballistic missiles. The ballistic missile threat comes from Iran. The long range air defense system is a huge gap in such big and strong military and it must be filled up as fast as we can. We must be ready for the worst scenarios even if the possibility is not so high but wise people have said it "If you want peace be ready for war". If somebody sees that you are powerful enough for war he will think twice before going to fight with you.
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Bakın kim gelmiş!
Iran and Turkey have a lot of policies that are one against another and sometime the situations become very hot. I agree with you that Iran is not enemy but we must be sure in the capabilities of our armed forces and must be sure that we can guarantee the security of Turkey and the friends of Turkey. S400 is the way for now. Inshallah we will see Hisar family air defense systems in our invertory as soon as possible.
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Greece is too little to be our enemy. Iran could be, though.
USA, Russia, Germany, UK and France are the possible future threats we should be prepared for any conflict with. Other countries around us have no capability to fight against us.
Yes but the lack of long range air defense capabilities can be critical in such conflict with Greece. We can save a lot of lives placing S400 close to Greece in possible fight. Their air force can be crippled.
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I am not sure whether this is a trolling or not.
Hursit is back guys... And you bother answering and explaining to his new profile.
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US, NATO wait to see if Russia-Turkey defense deal goes through
Author : Metin Gurcan
Posted : August 1, 2017
Translator : Timur Göksel
Turkey’s plans to procure an advanced long-range air and missile defense system (LORAMIDS) has been dragging on for 10 years, but now it could be leading to a profound crisis of confidence between Turkey and the US-Western security blocs.
The latest indicator was a July 23 statement by Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford at an Aspen, Colorado, security forum: “[Turkey has] not bought the S-400 air defense system from Russia. That would be a concern, were they to do that, but they have not done that."
Russia did not comment on Dunford’s statement, but Turkey reacted harshly. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the United States had not helped Turkey one bit in acquiring LORAMIDS, which he said is urgently needed. That's why Turkey had to look for alternatives and signed an agreement in principle with Russia.
In a July 13 story, "Turkey Chooses Russia Over NATO for Missile Defense," Bloomberg reported that the proposed deal for four S-400s would be worth $2.5 billion.
On July 28, Erdogan spokesman Ibrahim Kalin said Turkey has been deeply disappointed by the attitudes of the West, and the United States in particular, about LORAMIDS. The agreement with Russia has been mostly concluded, he said, disclosing for the first time that Russia has agreed to joint production and technology transfer.
Many wonder if this development will affect Turkey’s NATO membership.
Turkey’s quest for LORAMIDS has been problematic from the outset. Ankara’s ultimate goal is to manufacture its own system. Ankara has already made some progress with the Hisar-O medium-range air defense system made by Roketsan A.S., the Ankara-based affiliate of the Turkish Armed Forces Foundation. Turkey's goal is to develop this model and manufacture its own LORAMIDS by 2025. It's no secret that Roketsan is cooperating with Paris-based Eurosam on this project. In the meantime, Turkey is determined to fill its urgent security needs, given the Syrian crisis and Iran’s aggressive ballistic missile program.
When Turkey went shopping for a LORAMIDS, it received offers from the Eurosam French-Italian partnership for the Aster 30 SAMP/T; from China for its China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp.’s HQ-9/FD-2000; from Russia’s Rosoboronexport with the S-400; and from US Raytheon for PAC-3 systems. Turkey launched negotiations in 2013 for the $3.4 billion Chinese HQ-9 model, but called off the plan in June 2015 because the HQ-9 did not have anti-ballistic features and the company was not willing to discuss technology transfer. No doubt, NATO pressures played a role in the decision to call off the Chinese contacts. Meanwhile, Turkey felt that because of the growing ballistic missile threat from Syria, it urgently needed a defensive system. NATO tried to fill the void by deploying US, German, Italian and Dutch Patriot and Aster systems on Turkey’s Syrian frontier from 2014 to 2016.
In the days following Erdogan’s announcement of the S-400 as his system of choice, the Turkish news media became very interested in the affair. In just four days, the Turkish media printed 36 news reports and 12 commentaries on the S-400. According to some media outlets, 80% of the public supported the S-400 without reservations, 15% were somewhat cautious and only 5% were against it. These statistics indicate Erdogan’s influence over the media, as well as the growing anti-West sentiments in Turkey.
Security analyst Turan Oguz told Al-Monitor the S-400 will provide defense against short-range ballistic missiles with a 620-mile range. Also with the S-400, Turkey will be able to monitor air activity up to 372 miles in neighboring air spaces and lock its radars onto them at a distance of about 250 miles. Oguz said this capacity will enhance Turkey’s military, political and diplomatic deterrence in the region and minimize any surprise actions against Turkey. Oguz also believes these systems will significantly increase Turkey’s military superiority in the Aegean Sea.
Those commenting cautiously on the S-400 acquisition have technical and political reservations. Deniz Zeyrek, of the daily Hurriyet, finds Turkey’s selection of the S-400 a risky move that will erode NATO’s "collective defense" strategy set out in its charter, and it will create more dependence on Russia.
Defense analyst Arda Mevlutoglu told Al-Monitor that until Turkey develops its national defense industry — which won’t be easy — Turkey will have to procure LORAMIDS from external sources. “Long-range ballistic missile and air-defense systems have to operate as an integrated network of intertwined elements to be effective against cruise or ballistic missiles, which are targets hard to acquire and eliminate. Otherwise, your system will be limited for use against planes and helicopters at medium and high altitudes. Used singly, S-400 will have limited effectiveness. We have to continue at full pace to develop national radar and air defense systems. I am afraid procuring the S-400 will stall those vital projects,” he said.
Hakan Kilic, an expert who opposes Turkey's purchase of an S-400 system, has two technical objections. First, he doesn’t believe Russia will ever give Turkey its advanced radar technology, software and guidance systems, even though “Turkey will pay $5 billion for a system from a leaflet, without even a test video." Moreover, he said, the S-400 will be incompatible with other radar and communications systems. "I think that such a stand-alone system, which in principle can be used only against airplanes, is much too expensive,” Kilic said.
Kilic also believes that a system that's not part of an integrated umbrella will be easily defeated by both NATO and Eastern bloc countermeasures. “Why should I pay billions of dollars for a system that I won’t be able to use productively in case of war?” he added.
Also raising eyebrows is Russia’s silence while the S-400 is becoming a full-fledged crisis between Turkey and the West.
Moscow State University political science expert Kerim Has identified two reasons for Moscow’s silence: “First, Russia is waiting for the right time. Second, final signatures have not been affixed. The Kremlin doesn’t want to sound like it's contradicting Erdogan by having to say, ‘No, we haven’t affixed our final signature,' because it prefers the NATO/S-400 debate to widen" and create discontent.
Mikhail Barabanov, a senior research fellow at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, attributes Russia’s silence to domestic politics. "This sale causes mixed reactions in Russian public opinion and among experts, given the outbreak of anti-Turkish sentiments" after Turkey shot down a Russian plane in 2015, as well as Turkey's membership in NATO and the country's "contradictory attitude toward the Ukrainian crisis."
He added, "Apparently, the Kremlin does not want [domestic] public discussions on this issue and is trying to conduct a deal without publicity" within the country.
Has and Barabanov don’t believe the S-400 can be delivered to Turkey before 2020, even if a final accord is reached. Has emphasized his belief that Russia is pleased with the raging arguments. “Russia is delighted because the S-400 debate can lead to a rift in its primary geopolitical foe, NATO. A possible breakup in NATO-Turkey relations has the potential of being the grandest strategic gain of the 21st century for Moscow. Moreover, by showing that it can sell such systems to a NATO country, Russia boosts its standings in the global weapons market,” Has said.
Barabanov believes Russia won’t actually transfer S-400 technology to Turkey. He said, “The order volume is too small, and the import of technologies will require a long-term agreement, which is clearly not there. The Turkish side understands this well.”
Barabanov, who drew attention to NATO member Greece’s use of the S-300PMU1 long-range, surface-to-air missile (SAM) system for a long time, added, “I believe that the question of the alleged incompatibility of Russian SAM systems with NATO systems is too politicized and not practical.”
Regardless of speculation, it's obvious Washington is concerned with Turkey’s efforts to acquire the S-400. Russia is happy but silent, and Ankara is emotional and furious with NATO and the United States.
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US, NATO wait to see if Russia-Turkey defense deal goes through
Author : Metin Gurcan
Posted : August 1, 2017
Translator : Timur Göksel
Turkey’s plans to procure an advanced long-range air and missile defense system (LORAMIDS) has been dragging on for 10 years, but now it could be leading to a profound crisis of confidence between Turkey and the US-Western security blocs.
The latest indicator was a July 23 statement by Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford at an Aspen, Colorado, security forum: “[Turkey has] not bought the S-400 air defense system from Russia. That would be a concern, were they to do that, but they have not done that."
Russia did not comment on Dunford’s statement, but Turkey reacted harshly. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the United States had not helped Turkey one bit in acquiring LORAMIDS, which he said is urgently needed. That's why Turkey had to look for alternatives and signed an agreement in principle with Russia.
In a July 13 story, "Turkey Chooses Russia Over NATO for Missile Defense," Bloomberg reported that the proposed deal for four S-400s would be worth $2.5 billion.
On July 28, Erdogan spokesman Ibrahim Kalin said Turkey has been deeply disappointed by the attitudes of the West, and the United States in particular, about LORAMIDS. The agreement with Russia has been mostly concluded, he said, disclosing for the first time that Russia has agreed to joint production and technology transfer.
Many wonder if this development will affect Turkey’s NATO membership.
Turkey’s quest for LORAMIDS has been problematic from the outset. Ankara’s ultimate goal is to manufacture its own system. Ankara has already made some progress with the Hisar-O medium-range air defense system made by Roketsan A.S., the Ankara-based affiliate of the Turkish Armed Forces Foundation. Turkey's goal is to develop this model and manufacture its own LORAMIDS by 2025. It's no secret that Roketsan is cooperating with Paris-based Eurosam on this project. In the meantime, Turkey is determined to fill its urgent security needs, given the Syrian crisis and Iran’s aggressive ballistic missile program.
When Turkey went shopping for a LORAMIDS, it received offers from the Eurosam French-Italian partnership for the Aster 30 SAMP/T; from China for its China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp.’s HQ-9/FD-2000; from Russia’s Rosoboronexport with the S-400; and from US Raytheon for PAC-3 systems. Turkey launched negotiations in 2013 for the $3.4 billion Chinese HQ-9 model, but called off the plan in June 2015 because the HQ-9 did not have anti-ballistic features and the company was not willing to discuss technology transfer. No doubt, NATO pressures played a role in the decision to call off the Chinese contacts. Meanwhile, Turkey felt that because of the growing ballistic missile threat from Syria, it urgently needed a defensive system. NATO tried to fill the void by deploying US, German, Italian and Dutch Patriot and Aster systems on Turkey’s Syrian frontier from 2014 to 2016.
In the days following Erdogan’s announcement of the S-400 as his system of choice, the Turkish news media became very interested in the affair. In just four days, the Turkish media printed 36 news reports and 12 commentaries on the S-400. According to some media outlets, 80% of the public supported the S-400 without reservations, 15% were somewhat cautious and only 5% were against it. These statistics indicate Erdogan’s influence over the media, as well as the growing anti-West sentiments in Turkey.
Security analyst Turan Oguz told Al-Monitor the S-400 will provide defense against short-range ballistic missiles with a 620-mile range. Also with the S-400, Turkey will be able to monitor air activity up to 372 miles in neighboring air spaces and lock its radars onto them at a distance of about 250 miles. Oguz said this capacity will enhance Turkey’s military, political and diplomatic deterrence in the region and minimize any surprise actions against Turkey. Oguz also believes these systems will significantly increase Turkey’s military superiority in the Aegean Sea.
Those commenting cautiously on the S-400 acquisition have technical and political reservations. Deniz Zeyrek, of the daily Hurriyet, finds Turkey’s selection of the S-400 a risky move that will erode NATO’s "collective defense" strategy set out in its charter, and it will create more dependence on Russia.
Defense analyst Arda Mevlutoglu told Al-Monitor that until Turkey develops its national defense industry — which won’t be easy — Turkey will have to procure LORAMIDS from external sources. “Long-range ballistic missile and air-defense systems have to operate as an integrated network of intertwined elements to be effective against cruise or ballistic missiles, which are targets hard to acquire and eliminate. Otherwise, your system will be limited for use against planes and helicopters at medium and high altitudes. Used singly, S-400 will have limited effectiveness. We have to continue at full pace to develop national radar and air defense systems. I am afraid procuring the S-400 will stall those vital projects,” he said.
Hakan Kilic, an expert who opposes Turkey's purchase of an S-400 system, has two technical objections. First, he doesn’t believe Russia will ever give Turkey its advanced radar technology, software and guidance systems, even though “Turkey will pay $5 billion for a system from a leaflet, without even a test video." Moreover, he said, the S-400 will be incompatible with other radar and communications systems. "I think that such a stand-alone system, which in principle can be used only against airplanes, is much too expensive,” Kilic said.
Kilic also believes that a system that's not part of an integrated umbrella will be easily defeated by both NATO and Eastern bloc countermeasures. “Why should I pay billions of dollars for a system that I won’t be able to use productively in case of war?” he added.
Also raising eyebrows is Russia’s silence while the S-400 is becoming a full-fledged crisis between Turkey and the West.
Moscow State University political science expert Kerim Has identified two reasons for Moscow’s silence: “First, Russia is waiting for the right time. Second, final signatures have not been affixed. The Kremlin doesn’t want to sound like it's contradicting Erdogan by having to say, ‘No, we haven’t affixed our final signature,' because it prefers the NATO/S-400 debate to widen" and create discontent.
Mikhail Barabanov, a senior research fellow at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, attributes Russia’s silence to domestic politics. "This sale causes mixed reactions in Russian public opinion and among experts, given the outbreak of anti-Turkish sentiments" after Turkey shot down a Russian plane in 2015, as well as Turkey's membership in NATO and the country's "contradictory attitude toward the Ukrainian crisis."
He added, "Apparently, the Kremlin does not want [domestic] public discussions on this issue and is trying to conduct a deal without publicity" within the country.
Has and Barabanov don’t believe the S-400 can be delivered to Turkey before 2020, even if a final accord is reached. Has emphasized his belief that Russia is pleased with the raging arguments. “Russia is delighted because the S-400 debate can lead to a rift in its primary geopolitical foe, NATO. A possible breakup in NATO-Turkey relations has the potential of being the grandest strategic gain of the 21st century for Moscow. Moreover, by showing that it can sell such systems to a NATO country, Russia boosts its standings in the global weapons market,” Has said.
Barabanov believes Russia won’t actually transfer S-400 technology to Turkey. He said, “The order volume is too small, and the import of technologies will require a long-term agreement, which is clearly not there. The Turkish side understands this well.”
Barabanov, who drew attention to NATO member Greece’s use of the S-300PMU1 long-range, surface-to-air missile (SAM) system for a long time, added, “I believe that the question of the alleged incompatibility of Russian SAM systems with NATO systems is too politicized and not practical.”
Regardless of speculation, it's obvious Washington is concerned with Turkey’s efforts to acquire the S-400. Russia is happy but silent, and Ankara is emotional and furious with NATO and the United States.
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S-400 system important step but not ultimate answer for Ankara's defense needs
Yunus Paksoy
Ankara
Published : July 31, 2017
Ankara is very close to sealing the deal with Moscow for the S-400 defense systems by the end of 2017, but experts suggest that Turkey will still be weak against ballistic and cruise missiles if certain requirements are not fulfilled and draw attention to the need of domestic production
Turkey's recent deal with Russia to purchase the S-400 missile defense system is a crucial step toward diversifying the country's options, but the Russian-made system is not the ultimate answer for Ankara as it needs to rely on indigenous technologies to be fully prepared for threats, defense industry experts told Daily Sabah. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan broke the news last week regarding the purchase of the S-400 systems saying, "Talks [with Russia] have pretty much ended," though most details of the agreement still remain unknown. Meanwhile, questions loom in Ankara about whether the S-400 system is the key to Ankara's expectations and needs. Another question circling in the minds of the Turkish public is whether Turkey will transfer the technology from Russia or jointly produce the S-400 system.
On the other hand, whether the two countries actually signed the agreement or simply agreed to sign has confused media outlets and the public. Despite Ankara claiming that the deal is nearly finalized, the CEO of the Russian defense exporting company Rosoboron export said the deal could be signed by the end of 2017. While the Russian media portrays the agreement solely as the purchase of the missile defense system rather than a technology transfer or joint production, Turkish Presidential Spokesman İbrahim Kalın said last week that Russians gave the go ahead to transfer the technology.
"One of our most important gains in the S-400 deal is that it will not only fulfill Turkey's security needs, but it will make it possible to transfer the technology," Presidential Spokesperson Kalın said in a televised interview.
Experts, however, remain skeptical. Arda Mevlütoğlu, a prominent defense industry expert, said the S-400 missile defense system is a significant step but will fall short of protecting Turkish soil against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles if certain requirements are not fulfilled. "S-400 has its own radar system, but when it functions on its own, its effectiveness diminishes. What can be done? Different radars can also be bought also from Russia, for example," Mevlütoğlu said.
The main problem with the S-400 system for Ankara seems to be the NATO issue. Since Ankara cannot integrate the Russian-made system with NATO radars, the Turkish government will have to find a way to effectively protect the country against high-tech missiles.
TWO OPTIONS AHEAD FOR TURKEY
Another defense expert, Turan Oğuz, suggests the probability of the S-400 system to stop ballistic and cruise missiles is close to zero when it functions with its own radar system. "If you want to stop ballistic missiles, another radar network with an effective observation system is needed," Oğuz said, adding that there are two options for Ankara.
"Ordering it from Russia and paying double the money or developing it indigenously. That, however, would take at least five or six years," Oğuz contended.
Mevlütoğlu voiced the same idea, saying that Turkey could either develop a parallel air defense system or buy different radars from Russia. That being said, both experts doubted that Ankara would pay Russia double or triple for the radars.
Regarding how Turkey can effectively detect ballistic and cruise missiles, Oğuz stressed that Turkey has been able to do it thanks to U.S. satellites as part of NATO. "However, it is not possible with the S-400 system," he affirmed.
Turkey has a way out of this dilemma as well: An indigenous satellite to detect every type of missile. However, Oğuz claimed such an indigenous satellite could not be realized until 2025 or 2026 if the project were to start now.
Despite the gloomy atmosphere regarding the incapability of the S-400 system when it comes to cruise and ballistic missiles without specific radar systems, Mevlütoğlu emphasized that the purchase of the S-400 system is, indeed, a vital move to diversify Turkey's options and be aware of threats to some extent.
"S-400 is definitely a positive step toward increasing the number of options Turkey has, but we cannot use the system to its full capacity because Turkey lacks the necessary technology," Oğuz said.
EFFORTS FOR INDIGENOUS DEFENSE INDUSTRY UNDERWAY
In spite of Turkey's current lack of relevant technology, there are ongoing efforts to turn the tide. After a protracted bidding battle to supply Turkey with Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defense Systems (T-LORAMIDS) – a Turkish long-range air defense missile system – Turkish leadership made the decision to launch its own project to build the system.
In line with Turkey's determination to pursue a comprehensive program of the indigenization of its armed forces and building cutting edge competencies, Turkey is investing in its native advanced arms manufacturers, such as Aselsan and Roketsan, to produce short and medium range missiles and electronic systems for the military.
Turkish defense companies are already producing short and middle range ballistic missiles, such as the J-600T Yıldırım (Thunderbolt), SOM Cruise Missile and a laser guided "Cirit" missile, but are not yet capable of producing long-range missile systems.
Furthermore, Turkey conducted its first successful test of its 280-kilometer-range (175-mile-range) Bora missile in May. The Undersecretariat of Defense Industries has been working on the project since 2009, and Turkish defense contractor Roketsan has been charged with the development and production of the missile system.
WASHINGTON WORRIED ABOUT S-400 DEAL
Amid Turkey's increasing cooperation with Russia, both in Syria and the purchase of the missile defense system, Washington has expressed some concerns. Speaking to Daily Sabah, Pentagon spokesperson Johnny Michael said: "Turkey has not purchased the Russian system. We have an open dialog with them on this issue. We have concerns about the purchasing of the S-400 systems, which we have relayed to the government of Turkey. We emphasize the importance of maintaining inter-operability with the NATO system on any major defense systems procurement."
Michael stressed that Washington is ready to expedite the delivery of the equipment ordered by Turkey at any time, saying: "The United States and Turkey have a robust and significant defense trade and military sales relationship. The United States is committed to expediting the delivery of equipment purchased by Turkey, when possible."
While Turkey exerts effort to diversify its options regarding the air defense system, former Defense Minister Fikri Işık announced earlier in July that Turkish companies and Eurosam will work together to produce SAMP/T Aster 30 long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, which are already in use in several NATO member countries.
The SAMP/T Aster 30 system uses a network of sophisticated radars and sensors — including 3D phased array radar — enabling it to be highly effective against all types of air threats. The system can intercept missiles with a 600-kilometer range and can operate in standalone mode or integrated in a coordinated network, such as NATO's missiles defense system.
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S-400 system important step but not ultimate answer for Ankara's defense needs
Yunus Paksoy
Ankara
Published : July 31, 2017
Ankara is very close to sealing the deal with Moscow for the S-400 defense systems by the end of 2017, but experts suggest that Turkey will still be weak against ballistic and cruise missiles if certain requirements are not fulfilled and draw attention to the need of domestic production
Turkey's recent deal with Russia to purchase the S-400 missile defense system is a crucial step toward diversifying the country's options, but the Russian-made system is not the ultimate answer for Ankara as it needs to rely on indigenous technologies to be fully prepared for threats, defense industry experts told Daily Sabah. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan broke the news last week regarding the purchase of the S-400 systems saying, "Talks [with Russia] have pretty much ended," though most details of the agreement still remain unknown. Meanwhile, questions loom in Ankara about whether the S-400 system is the key to Ankara's expectations and needs. Another question circling in the minds of the Turkish public is whether Turkey will transfer the technology from Russia or jointly produce the S-400 system.
On the other hand, whether the two countries actually signed the agreement or simply agreed to sign has confused media outlets and the public. Despite Ankara claiming that the deal is nearly finalized, the CEO of the Russian defense exporting company Rosoboron export said the deal could be signed by the end of 2017. While the Russian media portrays the agreement solely as the purchase of the missile defense system rather than a technology transfer or joint production, Turkish Presidential Spokesman İbrahim Kalın said last week that Russians gave the go ahead to transfer the technology.
"One of our most important gains in the S-400 deal is that it will not only fulfill Turkey's security needs, but it will make it possible to transfer the technology," Presidential Spokesperson Kalın said in a televised interview.
Experts, however, remain skeptical. Arda Mevlütoğlu, a prominent defense industry expert, said the S-400 missile defense system is a significant step but will fall short of protecting Turkish soil against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles if certain requirements are not fulfilled. "S-400 has its own radar system, but when it functions on its own, its effectiveness diminishes. What can be done? Different radars can also be bought also from Russia, for example," Mevlütoğlu said.
The main problem with the S-400 system for Ankara seems to be the NATO issue. Since Ankara cannot integrate the Russian-made system with NATO radars, the Turkish government will have to find a way to effectively protect the country against high-tech missiles.
TWO OPTIONS AHEAD FOR TURKEY
Another defense expert, Turan Oğuz, suggests the probability of the S-400 system to stop ballistic and cruise missiles is close to zero when it functions with its own radar system. "If you want to stop ballistic missiles, another radar network with an effective observation system is needed," Oğuz said, adding that there are two options for Ankara.
"Ordering it from Russia and paying double the money or developing it indigenously. That, however, would take at least five or six years," Oğuz contended.
Mevlütoğlu voiced the same idea, saying that Turkey could either develop a parallel air defense system or buy different radars from Russia. That being said, both experts doubted that Ankara would pay Russia double or triple for the radars.
Regarding how Turkey can effectively detect ballistic and cruise missiles, Oğuz stressed that Turkey has been able to do it thanks to U.S. satellites as part of NATO. "However, it is not possible with the S-400 system," he affirmed.
Turkey has a way out of this dilemma as well: An indigenous satellite to detect every type of missile. However, Oğuz claimed such an indigenous satellite could not be realized until 2025 or 2026 if the project were to start now.
Despite the gloomy atmosphere regarding the incapability of the S-400 system when it comes to cruise and ballistic missiles without specific radar systems, Mevlütoğlu emphasized that the purchase of the S-400 system is, indeed, a vital move to diversify Turkey's options and be aware of threats to some extent.
"S-400 is definitely a positive step toward increasing the number of options Turkey has, but we cannot use the system to its full capacity because Turkey lacks the necessary technology," Oğuz said.
EFFORTS FOR INDIGENOUS DEFENSE INDUSTRY UNDERWAY
In spite of Turkey's current lack of relevant technology, there are ongoing efforts to turn the tide. After a protracted bidding battle to supply Turkey with Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defense Systems (T-LORAMIDS) – a Turkish long-range air defense missile system – Turkish leadership made the decision to launch its own project to build the system.
In line with Turkey's determination to pursue a comprehensive program of the indigenization of its armed forces and building cutting edge competencies, Turkey is investing in its native advanced arms manufacturers, such as Aselsan and Roketsan, to produce short and medium range missiles and electronic systems for the military.
Turkish defense companies are already producing short and middle range ballistic missiles, such as the J-600T Yıldırım (Thunderbolt), SOM Cruise Missile and a laser guided "Cirit" missile, but are not yet capable of producing long-range missile systems.
Furthermore, Turkey conducted its first successful test of its 280-kilometer-range (175-mile-range) Bora missile in May. The Undersecretariat of Defense Industries has been working on the project since 2009, and Turkish defense contractor Roketsan has been charged with the development and production of the missile system.
WASHINGTON WORRIED ABOUT S-400 DEAL
Amid Turkey's increasing cooperation with Russia, both in Syria and the purchase of the missile defense system, Washington has expressed some concerns. Speaking to Daily Sabah, Pentagon spokesperson Johnny Michael said: "Turkey has not purchased the Russian system. We have an open dialog with them on this issue. We have concerns about the purchasing of the S-400 systems, which we have relayed to the government of Turkey. We emphasize the importance of maintaining inter-operability with the NATO system on any major defense systems procurement."
Michael stressed that Washington is ready to expedite the delivery of the equipment ordered by Turkey at any time, saying: "The United States and Turkey have a robust and significant defense trade and military sales relationship. The United States is committed to expediting the delivery of equipment purchased by Turkey, when possible."
While Turkey exerts effort to diversify its options regarding the air defense system, former Defense Minister Fikri Işık announced earlier in July that Turkish companies and Eurosam will work together to produce SAMP/T Aster 30 long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, which are already in use in several NATO member countries.
The SAMP/T Aster 30 system uses a network of sophisticated radars and sensors — including 3D phased array radar — enabling it to be highly effective against all types of air threats. The system can intercept missiles with a 600-kilometer range and can operate in standalone mode or integrated in a coordinated network, such as NATO's missiles defense system.
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Really against enemy Ballistic Missile but from whom ?
Israel (Nuclear), Egypt-KSA or Pakistan (Nuclear) ? No, no one… Strange ! But it lacks someone. ^^
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Really against enemy Ballistic Missile but from whom ?
Israel (Nuclear), Egypt-KSA or Pakistan (Nuclear) ? No, no one… Strange ! But it lacks someone. ^^
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GUYS.There is no such thing as an permanent ally or permanent enemy.So yes you need air defense system even if you are in NATO or you don't have enemies at all.In my opinion you need also a ballistic missile not just air defense missile
