TURKEY break dependence on Foreign Military Technology ( all projects with details )

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4 ) TEI PD-170 Turboprob Engine to replace Thielert Centurion 2.0

13 of 40 TEI PD-170 Turboprob Engines delivered to Turkish Aerospace Industries to power ANKA and AKSUNGUR UCAVs

5 ) BMC UTKU 1000 hp Engine to replace German MTU-881 KA 500 / T-155 STORM Howitzers

6 ) TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine to replace American LTECH T800
TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine ( 1500shp ) to power T-625 Utility Helicopter and T-129 Attack Helicopters by 2021

7 ) TUMOSAN 350hp and 530hp Turbo-diesel Engines for Military Vehicles

8 ) TRMOTOR Turbofan Engine will be ready by 2029 for the first flight with the TF-X

9 ) KALE KTJ-3200 Turbojet Engine to replace French MicroTurbo TR-40 turbojet Engine
KALE KTJ-3200 Turbojet Engine (with a thrust up to 3,2kN) for SOM and ATMACA Cruise Missiles

 

[NeonNinja]

 

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When did Turkey develop GAN manufacturing technology?

Today, ASELSAN’s Radar product portfolio includes Air Defense, Reconnaissance and Surveillance, Airborne Imaging and Weapon Locating Radar Systems.
ASELSAN radar system expertise covers frequency bands L through Ka Band and encompasses advanced radar technologies such as active phased array, GaAs and GaN based Transmit/Receive Modules

Aselsan GaN semiconductor material based nanotransistor technology which is used in GaN based AESA Radars

Raytheon , BAE Systems , Northrop Grumman , Thales , Elbit Systems and Turkish ASELSAN are in top of the world for Electronics , Electronic Warfare Systems , GaN based AESA Radars , etc




Only the US , Russia , China , France and Turkey will have their own Destroyer with own design , AESA radar , combat management system , E/O Systems , electronic warfare system , VLS , SAMs , Anti ship missile , land attack cruise missile , torpedo , CIWS , Towed Active Sonar , Torpedo Counter Measure System , etc

Its GaN based AESA Naval Radar technology

-- 150 km Poliment 5P-20K ( Admiral Gorshkov class Frigate of the Russian Navy ) ... RUSSIA
-- 222 km FCS-3 ( Akizuki class Destroyer of the Japanese Navy ) ...... JAPAN
-- 250 km EL/M-2248 MF-STAR ( Kolkata class Destroyer of the Indian Navy ) ... ISRAEL
-- 320 km Raytheon AN/SPY-3 ( Zumwalt class Destroyer of the US Navy ) .... THE US
-- 400 km BAE Systems SAMPSON ( Type-45 class Destroyer of the Royal Navy ) ... THE UK
-- 400 km Thales SMART-L ( Horizon class Destroyer of the French Navy ) .... FRANCE
-- 450 km H/LJG-346B ( Type 055 class Destroyer of the Chinese Navy ) ... CHINA
-- 450 km Aselsan CAFRAD ( TF-2000 class Destroyer of the Turkish Navy ) ... TURKEY




On 13th December 2018, RIM-162 ESSM missile fired from the Turkish Navy Frigate TCG GOKSU hit a target drone. The live shooting exercise was important as the target was tracked and illuminated by Turkish made AESA Radar System CAFRAD


Active, Non-Rotating IFF Antenna Subsystem
• STANAG 4193 compliant Mode 1/2/3/C/S/5 interrogation
• 450 km range

Active Phased Array Multifunction Radar
• X-Band
• Volume and horizon search
• Air/surface target detection, tracking and classification
• Sea-skimming fast-small target detection and tracking
• Multiple target precise tracking
• 150 km range
• Track capacity >1000

Active Phased Array Illumination Radar
• X-Band
• Semi-active missile guidance
• 150 km range

Active Phased Array Long Range Search Radar
• S-Band
• Long Range volume search
• Air/surface target detection, tracking and classification
• 450 km range
• Track capacity >2000

Land based long range AESA Radars in Europe

-- 470 km Thales Ground Master 400 ... FRANCE
-- 470 km Saab GIRAFFE 8A .... SWEDEN
-- 500 km Leonardo RAT-31DL ... ITALY
-- 600 km Aselsan EIRS .... TURKEY


Aselsan GaN based EIRS Early Warning Radar

EIRS is a new generation S-Band radar developed for long range early warning with its AESA and digital beamforming antenna architecture. EIRS has the ability to detect and track air breathing targets, ballistic missiles, anti-radiation missiles and stealth/low RCS targets from very long ranges

• State of the Art Solid-State Power Amplifier Technology
• Digital Beamforming
• Target Classification Capability
• Various Tactical Operation Modes
• Long Range Mod5/S IFF System (Compatible with NATO STANAG-4193)
• Compliance with the Tactical Communication Networks
• Advanced Electronic Protection Measures and Cyber Security
• Counter Measures against Anti-Radiation Missiles

Aselsan Airborne AESA Radar by 2022

Aselsan AESA Radar is being pitched for integration on the Turkish air force's fleet of F-16s

AESA Radar will be capable of non-co-operative and automatic target recognition, while also featuring protection against radar frequency jamming, and has electronic support and electronic attack functions

Its air-to-air capabilities include extended-range search, track while scan modes and weather detection, as well as multiple target tracking, providing mid-course guidance for missiles and battle damage assessment.

For ground surveillance applications, the design features synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and ground moving target indication/tracking (GMTI/T) modes, along with air-to-ground ranging

Aselsan believes its AESA radar could eventually compete with systems such as Northrop Grumman's APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar

 

[OldTwilight]

The problem here is development of IIR sensor which is semiconductor intensive. Without any advanced semiconductor, it will always be dependent on imported warhead seeker. Or Turkey will have to resort to older generation and more jamprone seekers as countries in 1980-1990s used.


This will require accurate guidance. We are seeing how Iranian missiles miss targets as they try to shoot long distance targets because of lack of guidance. Guidance again needs semiconductor


Same problem as OMTAS


Development of seekers and guidance will be a major problem. All countries that have anti shipping missiles or other homing missiles have had 20-30 years if refining to develop the exact accuracy. ALso, all countries that have them have semiconductor technology to fabricate reasonably modern semiconductor of 180nm or newer.


Same problem as OMTAS


This will require semicondutor technology, extensive trials and programme to test missile defence. Missile defence can't be made without at least 20 years of trial and testing after acquiring the required semiconductor technology. The computers need extensive processing power to find missiles and then engage it accurately. the radar also needs to be very sharp and fast in finding targets which will also need GaAs semicondutor technology if not GaN. This can't be made before 2045 at least


This is possible like OMTAS but the IIR seeker will have to be imported


Having a radar in a missile seeker will require major semiconductor technology miniaturised enough to act as processor in the missile.


Same problem as GOKDOGAN


Same problem as developing a SAM or ATGM


This is possible to be made relatively quickly as it is relatively simpler technology and torpedo can always be wire guided


Also possible to be made quickly


This is a pipe dream. Turkey does not have any technology to make planes, its avionics, radar, engine etc. There is no country in the world who has made a modern plane without 30 years of experience. Merely designing an engine after having all technology needed will take 10 years for countries like Russia & USA. Developing of the technology from scratch is a process needing 30 years at least


Making IIR is extremely difficult. ASELPOD will requirehighly accurate IIR which can take videos from long distance in HD quality. It requires modern IIR and 1980s one will not do as targeting long distance from fast moving plane requires high amount of detailed pictures


When did Turkey develop GAN manufacturing technology?


Turkey does not have even sounding rockets. How does it intend to launch satellites?

Most of the projects are 25-30 year ones and involve large number of steps and tests at every step. Of course, eventually, everything will be possible. But these are simply meaningless to announce so early and make claims of indigenisation

Iranians missiles didn't missed their target ...
As far as I know , our ucav and cruise missiles pin pointed their target at Abqiq refainery and our BMs flattened their targets in Ain Al Asad


Even USA after witnessing our Tactical Ballistic capabilities , restored their tactical ballistic missile program while they have best air force in the world ...

 

[Philosopher]

This will require accurate guidance. We are seeing how Iranian missiles miss targets as they try to shoot long distance targets because of lack of guidance. Guidance again needs semiconductor

It seems this troll cannot resist mentioning Iran.

Here is an Iranian missiles "missing" targets:

Don't talk about matter you know little about.

Turkey is not Iran ....

So your saying you're more advanced than Iran in missile tech?

 

[Oublious]

The problem here is development of IIR sensor which is semiconductor intensive. Without any advanced semiconductor, it will always be dependent on imported warhead seeker. Or Turkey will have to resort to older generation and more jamprone seekers as countries in 1980-1990s used.


This will require accurate guidance. We are seeing how Iranian missiles miss targets as they try to shoot long distance targets because of lack of guidance. Guidance again needs semiconductor


Same problem as OMTAS


Development of seekers and guidance will be a major problem. All countries that have anti shipping missiles or other homing missiles have had 20-30 years if refining to develop the exact accuracy. ALso, all countries that have them have semiconductor technology to fabricate reasonably modern semiconductor of 180nm or newer.


Same problem as OMTAS


This will require semicondutor technology, extensive trials and programme to test missile defence. Missile defence can't be made without at least 20 years of trial and testing after acquiring the required semiconductor technology. The computers need extensive processing power to find missiles and then engage it accurately. the radar also needs to be very sharp and fast in finding targets which will also need GaAs semicondutor technology if not GaN. This can't be made before 2045 at least


This is possible like OMTAS but the IIR seeker will have to be imported


Having a radar in a missile seeker will require major semiconductor technology miniaturised enough to act as processor in the missile.


Same problem as GOKDOGAN


Same problem as developing a SAM or ATGM


This is possible to be made relatively quickly as it is relatively simpler technology and torpedo can always be wire guided


Also possible to be made quickly


This is a pipe dream. Turkey does not have any technology to make planes, its avionics, radar, engine etc. There is no country in the world who has made a modern plane without 30 years of experience. Merely designing an engine after having all technology needed will take 10 years for countries like Russia & USA. Developing of the technology from scratch is a process needing 30 years at least


Making IIR is extremely difficult. ASELPOD will requirehighly accurate IIR which can take videos from long distance in HD quality. It requires modern IIR and 1980s one will not do as targeting long distance from fast moving plane requires high amount of detailed pictures


When did Turkey develop GAN manufacturing technology?


Turkey does not have even sounding rockets. How does it intend to launch satellites?

Most of the projects are 25-30 year ones and involve large number of steps and tests at every step. Of course, eventually, everything will be possible. But these are simply meaningless to announce so early and make claims of indigenisation

Everything you mentioned is designed in Turkey. Nobody give you tech like that. And come back when the fighter is ready....

 

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You do realise you're nowhere near Iran in missile technology, right?

We dont care about Iran ....


Turkey is in super league with superior technologies

-- BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles ... only a few countries in the world and Iran is nowhere near Turkey
-- SOM air launched network enabled stealth Cruise Missile ( land attack / anti ship ) ... only a few countries in the world and Iran is nowhere near Turkey

-- ATMACA network enabled anti ship Missile

-- BORA Ballistic Missile will be gradual and the project will go through Satellite Launch Systems

-- 40 km TRG-122 guided MLRS ( 122mm ) ... only China and Turkey in the world
-- 120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS ( 300mm ) ... only The US , Turkey , China , Russia , Brazil , India

-- HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
-- HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System
-- SIPER high altitude Air Defense System
-- KORKUT 35mm SPAAG ( Airbust ammunition )
-- SAHI-209 and TUFAN hypersonic Electromagnetic Railguns
-- TÜBİTAK BİLGEM 20 - 60 kw LASER Weapons

-- OMTAS 5th gen Anti Tank Missile ... Iran is nowhere near Turkey
-- KARAOK shoulder launched Anti Tank Missile ... similar to American JAVELIN
-- MIZRAK-U Anti Tank Missile for Attack Helicopters
-- CIRIT laser guided Rocket for Attack Helicopters
-- TEMREN Missile for Navy Helicopters
-- CIDA Urban Warfare Weapon
-- YATAGAN Laser Guided Miniature Missile
-- PORSAV MANPADS

-- 11 km LGK Laser guided Bomb
-- 28 km HGK and TEBER guided Bombs
-- 28 km NEB Penetrator Bomb
-- 110 km KGK guided Bomb
-- 100 km SDB Bomb
-- 110 km KUZGUN modular joint ammunition
-- KGK-LR long range glide Bomb with IIR seeker
-- MAM-L laser guided smart munition for UCAV

-- ORKA lightweight Torpedo
-- AKYA heavyweight Torpedo
-- HIZIR Torpedo Countermeasure System
-- ZOKA Acoustic Torpedo Countermeasure Decoy
-- ZARGANA Submarine Torpedo Counter Measure System
-- TORK Hard-kill Torpedo Countermeasure System
-- AKKOR Active Protection Hard-kill System


and upcoming projects

-- GUMS anti Ballistic Missile Defense System
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- SAPAN Rolling Airframe Missile
-- GEZGIN land/naval based Cruise Missile
-- RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile
-- Anti ship Ballistic Missile based on BORA

 

[-SINAN-]

This is a pipe dream. Turkey does not have any technology to make planes, its avionics, radar, engine etc.

As we saw from the previous posts that you have absolutely no knowledge about Turkey's technology level.

So, don't make claims about what can Turkey do or can not do... go and do your homework before discussing Turkish capabilities with Turks.

You do realise you're nowhere near Iran in missile technology, right?

What do you know about Turkey's missile technology in the first place?

 

[Timur]

Good stuff - Turkey will find many buyers in the Muslim world for their defence products.

there are just a few who would buy.. but the problem is they dont have enough money or need to grow..

our market is outside of ME

 

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Turkey does not have even sounding rockets. How does it intend to launch satellites?

Turkey first rocket sent into space will be launched this summer under the Delta V Space Technologies

Turkey develops Hybrid Space Rocket Engine which is a very special rocket engine in the world, compared to similar ones, which are both safer and less costly

in 2019 , Turkey fired the world's largest liquid oxygen and paraffin fueled advanced technology rocket engine

so Turkey could have access to space within 5 years

 

[Smarana Mitra]

the production of GaN semiconductor material-based nanotransistors
the production of GaN transistors and electronic integrated circuits

The question is about the advancement of technology to have miniaturised GaN technology. Older generation GaN technology is relatively simpler, even more simple than semiconductor based on silicon.

Carbon Nanotubes and Graphene Nanomaterials
High Quality Nanoparticles and Nanopowders (Elements, Alloys, Metal and Non-Metal Oxides, Compounds)
High Quality Microparticles and Micron Sized Powders (Elements, Alloys, Metal and Non-Metal Oxides, Compounds)
Nanoparticle Dispersions

I am not speaking of carbon composites. Carbon composite is not really an advanced technology. Even in 1980s, planes were made with carbon composites. F22 was designed in 1988-89 with carbon cmposites, for example

Aselsan Infrared Photodetectors ....... ( only The US,Israel,France,Turkey )
-- HgCdTe
-- QWIP
-- InSb
-- InGaAs

HISAR Air Defense Missile / Aselsan IIR seeker

-- Operation Under High Acceleration and Vibration
-- High Performance Under Dome Heating
-- Long Range Target Detection
-- Genuine Target Tracking Algorithms with High Processing Capability
-- Athermalized Optics
-- Wide Field of View (FOV)
-- Wide Field of Regard (FOR)
-- High Resolution Cooled Infrared Detector

HISAR Air Defense Missile IIR seeker - KARAOK anti Tank Missile IIR seeker

I don't deny that Turkey has IIR seekers. But I don't see how advanced resolution it has. Also, an air defence missile will need to have some microprocessor to target more accurately. How will Turkey get that?

Aselsan RF seekers ( GOKDOGAN air to air RF seeker , HISAR air defense missile RF seeker, ATMACA anti ship missile RF seeker )

RF seeker of what type? Even Styx missile, C802 missiles have Rf seekers. It is just that they are relatively old and very simple. They can be jammed easily. These older type of Rf seekers were used in 1971 India-Pakistan war where India attacked Pakistani navy and its port of Karachi. Unless the seeker is of PESA or AESA, it is not really upto the mark

Read this for Turkey's semiconductor technology.
https://bilgem.tubitak.gov.tr/en/urunler/yital-semiconductor-technologies-research-laboratory

YITAL 0.7um technology is given by USA and has lot of restrictions like limited number of production, non-military use and USA controlled IPR and inspection. Turkey tried to make its own indigenous 0.7um fabrication facility but could not succeed.

Pakistan bought Aselsan ASELPOD instead of American and French Targeting Pods

ASELPOD is superior to even Israeli LITENING

Its GaN based AESA Naval Radar technology

-- 150 km Poliment 5P-20K ( Admiral Gorshkov class Frigate of the Russian Navy ) ... RUSSIA
-- 222 km FCS-3 ( Akizuki class Destroyer of the Japanese Navy ) ...... JAPAN
-- 250 km EL/M-2248 MF-STAR ( Kolkata class Destroyer of the Indian Navy ) ... ISRAEL
-- 320 km Raytheon AN/SPY-3 ( Zumwalt class Destroyer of the US Navy ) .... THE US
-- 400 km BAE Systems SAMPSON ( Type-45 class Destroyer of the Royal Navy ) ... THE UK
-- 400 km Thales SMART-L ( Horizon class Destroyer of the French Navy ) .... FRANCE
-- 450 km H/LJG-346B ( Type 055 class Destroyer of the Chinese Navy ) ... CHINA
-- 450 km Aselsan CAFRAD ( TF-2000 class Destroyer of the Turkish Navy ) ... TURKEY

On 13th December 2018, RIM-162 ESSM missile fired from the Turkish Navy Frigate TCG GOKSU hit a target drone. The live shooting exercise was important as the target was tracked and illuminated by Turkish made AESA Radar System CAFRAD

Turkish radar is 20kW at best, which means the cooling requirement is minimal. But if the radar has to be meaningful, it has to have 150-200kW power for naval radar and that is where the difficulty starts. For jet radar, the power need is 15 kW but hatt has to be highly compressed into very small place - radome of 50-60 cm diameter. AESA technology is not new. It is the miniaturisation and cooling which is the real advanced technology. Otherwise, GaN and GaAs are quite old technology

Iranians missiles didn't missed their target ...
As far as I know , our ucav and cruise missiles pin pointed their target at Abqiq refainery and our BMs flattened their targets in Ain Al Asad


Even USA after witnessing our Tactical Ballistic capabilities , restored their tactical ballistic missile program while they have best air force in the world ...

The refinery was just a hoax by KSA to make Iran appear bad. None died in Ain Al-Assad.

About Iranian accuracy:
https://www.bbc.com/persian/tv-and-radio-40337145

https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-40455743

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4978713,00.html

The Iranian missile hitting USA base appeared to have satellite guidance. This means that Iran used guided missile which was guided using commonly available satellite signals like GPS or may be using some imported receiver modules. Since Iran has no satellite of its own, this missile can't be considered fully indigenous. Moreover, using common GPS during war is foolish as GPS will be jammed first.

https://www.defenseone.com/business...les-iran-likely-fired-iraq-last-night/162326/

 

[Philosopher]

T

The refinery was just a hoax by KSA to make Iran appear bad.

Yes, the saudis brought down 50% of their own oil production as a "hoax" and Iran went along with it. Iran gave the saudis its weapons so it could stage the attack.

You're obviously not feeling okay.

None died in Ain Al-Assad.

Precisely because Iran wanted no one to die.

About Iranian accuracy:
https://www.bbc.com/persian/tv-and-radio-40337145

https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-40455743

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4978713,00.html

"bbc Persian". Go post fox news, I am sure that's accurate.

This is what we call accuracy:

http://alwaght.com/en/News/170102/What-Are-The-Implications-Of-Iran’s-Missile-Strikes-On-US-Bases?

The Iranian missile hitting USA base appeared to have satellite guidance. This means that Iran used guided missile which was guided using commonly available satellite signals like GPS or may be using some imported receiver modules. Since Iran has no satellite of its own, this missile can't be considered fully indigenous. Moreover, using common GPS during war is foolish as GPS will be jammed first.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

These missile incorporate both satellite and satellite guidance.


Fateh-110 IMU system.
*Using fiber optic gyroscopes

Qiam missile INS system.

Satellite guidance i.e GPS is child's play compared to these INS systems. Here are Iranian made GPS/GLONASS guidance kit:

Now please, stop embarrassing yourself. By the way, have you finally figured out the difference between a solid fuel and liquid fuel missile? You did claimed Fateh was a liquid fuelled missile not long ago

 

[MMM-E]

Air to air missiles is nothing for Iran.

then all Ballistic Missiles , including Anti ship Ballistic Missile are nothing for Turkey ...

Iran not only has cruise missiles with much longe range than your "som", it has used them in practise with success. Who are you trying to fool with your claims?

We dont care about Iran's outdated Cruise Missiles

SOM Missile is one of the best in the World

-- precision strike capability against both land or sea targets
-- network enabled capability ... ( only a few country in the world ) ... Iran is not one of them
-- Stealthy and precise
-- Terrain hugging and Sea skimming
-- Imaging Infrared Seeker
-- INS / GPS
-- Terrain Referenced Navigation
-- Image Based Navigation
-- Automatic Target Recognition

if GPS capability is denied or degraded, the missile can follow its waypoints using infrared based terrain updates

and The missile includes a two-way datalink that makes possible to change the task in flight

btw SOM Cruise Missile range of 800 km with indigenous turbojet engine

"5th gen anti tank missiles"

Iran has been producing anti-tank missiles before you were even born.

We dont care about outdated and copy Anti Tank Missiles of Iran

as of 2020 Turkish OMTAS and French MMP are the latest technology Anti Tank Missiles in the World

OMTAS Anti Tank Guided Missile

Entered service : 2018

• Imaging Infrared Seeker with Automatic Target Tracker
• Tandem Warhead efective against all types of heavy armored Vehicles
• Day & Night and All Weather Operational Capabilities
• Effective Against Stationary and Moving Targets
• Lock On Before Launch / Lock on After Launch
• Fire and Forget / Fire and Update Operating Modes
• Setting Coordinates of the Target on Launcher Unit
• Firing Behind Covers
• Switching Targets
• Hit Point Update on Target
• Indoor and Outdoor Type Simulators
• Modular Design of the Launcher Unit
• Modular Design of the Launch Unit Enables Sight Unit to be Used as a Stand Alone Unit

Range : 200 – 4000 m
Diameter of the Missile : 160 mm
Weight of the Missile : 35 kg
Seeker : Imaging Infrared (IIR), Uncooled Type
Sight Unit on the Launcher Unit : TV/Termal Camera
Attack Modes : Direct and Top Attacks
Operating Altitude : -300 and +3000 m

I am saying again We dont care about Iran's outdated and copy Missiles

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Everything you mentioned is designed in Turkey. Nobody give you tech like that. And come back when the fighter is ready....

I am saying that Turkey assembled parts after importing. None gave any technology. For example, USA gave Turkey engine for T129 and turkey assembled it. Turkey also makes Stinger missiles under license. SOM uses GPS guidance which is USA satellite based.

Turkey first rocket sent into space will be launched this summer under the Delta V Space Technologies

Turkey develops Hybrid Space Rocket Engine which is a very special rocket engine in the world, compared to similar ones, which are both safer and less costly

in 2019 , Turkey fired the world's largest liquid oxygen and paraffin fueled advanced technology rocket engine

so Turkey could have access to space within 5 years

First Turkey has to launch sounding rockets to test how the upper atmosphere is and then launch real rockets carrying small payload to test how orbit is and finally launch satellites. That is a long way to go.

 

[MMM-E]

RF seeker of what type? Even Styx missile, C802 missiles have Rf seekers. It is just that they are relatively old and very simple. They can be jammed easily.

latest technology solid-state RF seeker, with advanced counter-measure capability and datalink update

I don't deny that Turkey has IIR seekers. But I don't see how advanced resolution it has. Also, an air defence missile will need to have some microprocessor to target more accurately. How will Turkey get that?

if You know nothing about Turkish defense Industry , stop trolling
and Go for crying about your India

Turkey has ASELSAN which is one of the best in the World and India-China not even close