The Islamic Conquest of India Prophecy (Ghazwa-e-Hind)

[I.R.A]

I see that most Pakistanis are still living in la la land. We have some of the worst hospitals, schools and mass corruption but want to conquer Hindustan based on some fake hadith. How about conquer corruption and help lift millions of people out of poverty? Is that too hard? I guess its easier to just believe that you are destined for something great while sitting on a pile of shit.

Nobody is destined for something great, its our own actions that define our destiny. Even Messenger of ALLAH Muhammad Peace be upon him had to face hardships and remain steadfast, and after years of struggle he was able to succeed.

The conditions for a war to happen

a). The people of that country are being oppressed and they reach you and ask you for help (not going to happen)

b). You have been attacked and forced into a war which may lead to conquering (well Akhand Bharat has some truth to it).

 

[New World]

The region Khorasan is mainly in Afghanistan, with some parts in Iran, Turkmenistan & Uzbekistan. If Ghazwa-Hind have to happen in next 10, 20 years then as per today's ground realities, most chances are that Afghan Taliban will be doing it.

If Afghan Taliban will be doing it than Iran must have to be destroyed before that.
As hadith continues that that army of black flag will march towards Jerusalem and no force in the will be able stop them from reaching Jerusalem.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The region Khorasan is mainly in Afghanistan, with some parts in Iran, Turkmenistan & Uzbekistan. If Ghazwa-Hind have to happen in next 10, 20 years then as per today's ground realities, most chances are that Afghan Taliban will be doing it.

Khorasaan was traditionally the far eastern realm of the Persian empire, centered mainly on Afghanistan but also including Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Eastern Iran.

Like Sistan/Seistan today which was known as Sakastan (Pak-Afghan state of the Sakas,) the present geographical name shifted West as Iran lost land to Ghazni, Ghori, Durrani, and the Mughals.

The nature of prophecy is that we cannot predict it. Remember the conquest of Persia, Egypt, and the Levant by Muslims was sudden and unprecedented.

We know what Rasool saws said, but not necessarily full details, so we leave it to Allah swt and focus on what we can do now for Islam, Pakistan, and fellow Muslims.

 

[TMA]

Khorasaan was traditionally the far eastern realm of the Persian empire, centered mainly on Afghanistan but also including Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Eastern Iran.

Like Sistan/Seistan today which was known as Sakastan (Pak-Afghan state of the Sakas,) the present geographical name shifted West as Iran lost land to Ghazni, Ghori, Durrani, and the Mughals.

The nature of prophecy is that we cannot predict it. Remember the conquest of Persia, Egypt, and the Levant by Muslims was sudden and unprecedented.

We know what Rasool saws said, but not necessarily full details, so we leave it to Allah swt and focus on what we can do now for Islam, Pakistan, and fellow Muslims.

So what is the authenticity of this Hadith? How many ahadith are there on Hind?
What does غزوة mean?
What does Hind mean?
What is the timeline?

 

[Hindustani78]

If Afghan Taliban will be doing it than Iran must have to be destroyed before that.
As hadith continues that that army of black flag will march towards Jerusalem and no force in the will be able stop them from reaching Jerusalem.

Hadith on Isfahan is there.

Book 41, Number 6958:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people wearing shoes of hair and the Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people having small eyes and broad snub noses.

Book 41, Number 6959:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight with the a people whose faces would be like hammered shields wearing clothes of hair and walking (with shoes) of hair.

Book 41, Number 6960:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You shall fight in the hours to come against a nation wearing shoes made of hair and faces like hammered shields, with red complexion and small eyes.

 

[El Sidd]

How do religious People define Time?

 

[Hamza913]

Hoax, if this Hadith is true the Mohammed bin Qasim might have used it while he conquered Sindh.

No Turkic invader has ever used this Hadith.

It is the isi and Pakistani Army that promotes this.

The authenticity of this Hadith is also questionable.

Most of the Hadees pertaining to this topic are daif (weak), but there is one classified as sahih (authentic) by Imam Al Albani (a prominent Hadees scholar):

It was narrated that Thawbaan, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There are two groups of my ummah whom Allah will protect from the Fire: a group who will conquer India, and a group who will be with ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him).”

Many scholars regard this as being a reference to a conquest of the Indian sub-continent that will come near the end times, since Esa (Peace Be Upon Him) is also mentioned and he is supposed to return before the end times.

However, others say/said it was a reference to the previous Muslim conquests of the Indian sub-continent:

Imam Ibn Katheer (a prominent Islamic scholar who wrote a world renowned explanation of the Quran) said:

"The Muslims invaded India at the time of Mu‘aawiyah, in 44 AH, and there occurred things which will be explained below. It was also invaded by the great ruler Mahmoud ibn Sabuktagin, the ruler of Ghaznah who conquered India around 400 AH. He invaded the land, where he killed, took prisoners, and captured booty. He entered Somnath where he broke the greatest idol that they used to worship, and he captured its swords and necklaces. Then he returned, safe and victorious."

https://islamqa.info/en/145636

Ghazwa-e-Hind Clearly proves that Pakistan wants to conduct genocide on Hindus.

No, but it does prove we want to rule over you guys just like we used to.

Genocide is not at all a part of our desire.

 

[New World]

Hadith on Isfahan is there.

Book 41, Number 6958:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people wearing shoes of hair and the Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people having small eyes and broad snub noses.

Book 41, Number 6959:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight with the a people whose faces would be like hammered shields wearing clothes of hair and walking (with shoes) of hair.

Book 41, Number 6960:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You shall fight in the hours to come against a nation wearing shoes made of hair and faces like hammered shields, with red complexion and small eyes.

some scholars are saying that these hadith were about the attack of Mongols on Iraq, in which they almost burnt whole Baghdad.

 

[ranjeet]

Ghazwa e Hind already happened, Islamic rulers conquered this land but the converts from Hind failed to fulfill this prophecy and instead of fighting for the entire land mass settled for a moth eaten piece of property. People who are still going on about it are crying over spilt milk. Ghazwa boat sank on the banks of Ganga.

 

[Hamza913]

At that time Hind was not India but mostly today's Pakistan and some areas of Indo-Gangatic plain....the conquest is already done as that Hind called Pakistan today, is ruled by Muslims....my two cents.

Not quite. Pakistan's status was a little complex, with some regarding it as part of Al Hind, others regarding it as part of Khorasan. There were also those who used the Indus River to act as the division between Khorasan and Al Hind, which would make half of Pakistan part of Khorasan, and the other half part of Al Hind.

Also, even those who considered it part of Al Hind didn't consider it part of the core territory of Al Hind, so no, even by that definition Pakistan being majority Muslim doesn't fulfil the conditions of the Hadith.

Ghazwa e Hind already happened, Islamic rulers conquered this land but the converts from Hind failed to fulfill this prophecy

Muslim converts from Pakistan and Hindustan played a critical part in the Islamic domination of Hindustan, with many of them also intermarrying with the foreign invaders, please stop with this nonsensical claim of Muslims in Pakistan and Hindustan not playing any part in these Islamic conquests:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859343/

“The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive, with significant correlation coefficient values”

Muhammad Bin Qasim’s army had a large number of Gujjars and Baluchis (can be read in Wink 2004, pg 201-205, it’s also cited on Wikipedia):

Muhammad bin Qasim

Babur employed large numbers of Punjabis from Potohar into his army:

History of Gakhars

Babur had plenty of Pashtuns in his army too:

Babur's relations with Pashtun tribes

Shahbaz Khan was a Punjabi, and the Mughal emperor Akbar’s top general. He expanded the Mughal Empire greatly, participating in some of its fiercest battles. He also harshly put down rebellions in the Bengal, and revolutionised the Mughal military system so that costs could be kept down, and efficiency would be at its maximum:

Shahbaz Khan

HARKING BACK: The `guzar`named after great Kamboh general

Mahmud Ghaznavi’s military contained large numbers of Indo-Aryans, with most of them being from modern day Pakistan:

Ghaznavids had large number of Hindus in their army

The Shah Mir dynasty were a dynasty of Gujjars originally from Swat who ruled over all of Pakistani and Hindustani Kashmir, along with some other nearby territories. Their most notable ruler was Sikander Shah Mir, he earned the title of iconoclast because he was known for breaking Hindu statues/temples that belonged to his enemies:

Sultan Sikandar : The Man and the Myth - Lost Kashmiri History

Shah Mir dynasty

Ain I Akbari

The Rind dynasty were a Baluchi dynasty who ruled over southern Pakistan, and at one point even sacked Delhi:

Mir Chakar Rind

Chakar-i-Azam

Mir Chakar Khan Rind - A Warrior Hero Of Baluchistan & Punjab Provinces of Pakistan

The Muslim Kingdom of Mysore had Punjabi ancestry:

Unravelling history: Tracing Tipu Sultan’s ancestry

Ghaurid, Khiliji, Lodi, and Sur dynasties were all Pashtun (Pakistan has the worlds largest Pashtun population):

Ghurids were Pashtuns

Khaljī dynasty | Indian dynasty

Lodī dynasty

Sūr dynasty | Indian dynasty

Pashtun | people

If your masters can't make India Islamic then what chance poor victims have who got converted themselves ?

See my previous post Abdul Baqara.

By enlisting the support of local tribes Jats, Meds, and Buddhist Jat rulers of Nerun, Bajhra, Kaka Kolak and Siwistan as infantry to his predominantly-mounted army, Muhammad bin Qasim defeated Dahir and captured his eastern territories for the Umayyad Caliphate

You forgot Gujjars as well.

 

[Harvey Pandit]

Errrrrrhhhhh.......NO THANK YOU. Pakistani nationalists DO NOT WANT ANYTHING to do with india. If we are to form a nation with other nations it should be with countries that have beautiful races of people. NOT with the most ugliest and physically repulsive race on the planet........

Funny, when we say same thing about darkies in America people call us Nazis.

 

[TMA]

Ghazwa e Hind already happened, Islamic rulers conquered this land but the converts from Hind failed to fulfill this prophecy and instead of fighting for the entire land mass settled for a moth eaten piece of property. People who are still going on about it are crying over spilt milk. Ghazwa boat sank on the banks of Ganga.

Well to the Arab 1400 years ago Hind is not the entire Subcontinent of Hind as it became known later on. Hind is basically Sindh (Pakistan) and little bit here and there...

 

[Hamza913]

In those days khorasan (Afghanistan) was the eastern limit.

Incorrect, many considered Pakistan part of Khorasan as well:

"The historical region extended, along the north, from the Amu Darya (Oxus River) westward to the Caspian Sea and, along the south, from the fringes of the central Iranian deserts eastward to the mountains of central Afghanistan. Arab geographers even spoke of its extending to the boundaries of India."

https://www.britannica.com/place/Khorasan-historical-region-Asia

Also, as per the Encyclopedia of Islam (Volume 5, pages 55-59, published in 1986 by Bosworth), Pakistan was part Khorasan too:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...cyclopedia of Islam volume 5 bosworth&f=false

 

[ranjeet]

Muslim converts from Pakistan and Hindustan played a critical part in the Islamic domination of Hindustan, with many of them also intermarrying with the foreign invaders, please stop with this nonsensical claim of Muslims in Pakistan and Hindustan not playing any part in these Islamic conquests:

I am not denying that local converts didn't play any part in Islamic conquests, they rode the coat tails of every invader but when the time came for them to take the reigns they sqaundered the oppurtunity and settled for whatever they were offered during partition. You local converts failed your Prophet.

 

[Hindustani78]

some scholars are saying that these hadith were about the attack of Mongols on Iraq, in which they almost burnt whole Baghdad.

Hadith on Isfahan is there.

Book 41, Number 6958:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people wearing shoes of hair and the Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people having small eyes and broad snub noses.

Book 41, Number 6959:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight with the a people whose faces would be like hammered shields wearing clothes of hair and walking (with shoes) of hair.

Though Supreme Creator only knows when the Last Hour before the Day of Resurrection will come, He has given us 'clues' about its approach through information in the Qur'an and the hadith of the Prophet.

Last Hour means the angel Israfil will blow a trumpet, and the resurrection of all human beings will begin."