TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Test7]

Many people still don't think this project will take place. We keep our hopes.

 

[Successwill]

Many people still don't think this project will take place. We keep our hopes.

You mean it wont materialize or wont go any further?

 

[Test7]

You mean it wont materialize or wont go any further?

I am one of those who think that this project will take place

 

[Successwill]

I am one of those who think that this project will take place

So am i. This project and many more defence projects must be the number 1 priority for our country. Being unsuccessful means surrender for us. So i dont even think of the idea of being unsuccessful. By hook or by crook it will materialize. Period.

 

[Silahtar]

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1057592806821257222

 

[The Eagle]

General Electric beats Rolls-Royce to power Turkey’s indigenous fighter jet
By: Burak Ege Bekdil

The twin-engine TF-X will be powered by the F110-GE-129, left, or the F110-GE-132 engine.


ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey’s aerospace authorities have chosen General Electric’s F110 family of engines to power the prototype and an initial batch of what will become Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet, the TF-X.

A senior procurement official confirmed the choice, saying that the twin-engine TF-X will be powered by the F110-GE-129 or the F110-GE-132 engine.

“This is a stopgap solution until we have built our indigenous engine for the TF-X,” the official said.

Under the deal, the first prototype of the TF-X and an unknown number of initial batches would be powered by the F110 engine.

Turkey then plans to switch to an engine to be developed by TRMotor, a national engine consortium.

But some aerospace sources say the F110 may not be the ideal engine for a fifth=generation fighter. “If the Turks go for the GE option, they will have to compromise on the stealth capabilities of the TF-X,” a Paris-based defense specialist said.

Earlier this year, Turkey and Rolls-Royce came close to a strategic cooperation deal for the development and co-production of an engine for the TF-X. The British company and the Turkish government signed a letter of intent to finalize negotiations on the engine program by July 31, but the plan did not come to fruition.

Turkish officials say the idea behind the GE deal is to rely on foreign technology to eventually in the long term build an indigenous engine to power the TF-X.

Turkey wants to build the TF-X with know-how from BAE Systems. In January 2017, Britain and Turkey signed a deal worth more than £100 million (U.S. $128 million) to develop the Turkish fighter jet.

Turkey hopes to have the first test flights of the aircraft in 2023.

 

[Test7]

 

[Kailash Kumar]

General Electric beats Rolls-Royce to power Turkey’s indigenous fighter jet

The twin-engine TF-X will be powered by the F110-GE-129, left, or the F110-GE-132 engine.

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey’s aerospace authorities have chosen General Electric’s F110 family of engines to power the prototype and an initial batch of what will become Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet, the TF-X.

A senior procurement official confirmed the choice, saying that the twin-engine TF-X will be powered by the F110-GE-129 or the F110-GE-132 engine.

“This is a stopgap solution until we have built our indigenous engine for the TF-X,” the official said.

Under the deal, the first prototype of the TF-X and an unknown number of initial batches would be powered by the F110 engine.

Turkey then plans to switch to an engine to be developed by TRMotor, a national engine consortium.

But some aerospace sources say the F110 may not be the ideal engine for a fifth=generation fighter. “If the Turks go for the GE option, they will have to compromise on the stealth capabilities of the TF-X,” a Paris-based defense specialist said.

Earlier this year, Turkey and Rolls-Royce came close to a strategic cooperation deal for the development and co-production of an engine for the TF-X. The British company and the Turkish government signed a letter of intent to finalize negotiations on the engine program by July 31, but the plan did not come to fruition.

Turkish officials say the idea behind the GE deal is to rely on foreign technology to eventually in the long term build an indigenous engine to power the TF-X.

Turkey wants to build the TF-X with know-how from BAE Systems. In January 2017, Britain and Turkey signed a deal worth more than £100 million (U.S. $128 million) to develop the Turkish fighter jet.

Turkey hopes to have the first test flights of the aircraft in 2023.

https://www.defensenews.com/industr...oyce-to-power-turkeys-indigenous-fighter-jet/

 

[Shabi1]

But GE is American and subject to sanctions that they were risked from Trump. Looks like they are sorting out things in background with US.

 

[Deino]

General Electric beats Rolls-Royce to power Turkey’s indigenous fighter jet
By: Burak Ege Bekdil

The twin-engine TF-X will be powered by the F110-GE-129, left, or the F110-GE-132 engine.


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To admit I'm very much surprised by this decision. Even if we already knew the Turkish ambitions for a quite large plane - much larger and heavier than the F-16s it is aimed to replace - but also in terms of technology. First, the F110 is a substantially bigger, heavier and more powerful engine than the EJ200 or its developments but it is less advanced technologically.

The most strange part however is another issue: The idea that this will be just an interim engine until a domestic one is ready is crazy to be polite. IMO there is little to no chance Turkey can develop a better engine on its own in the next several decades and even more given the political quite "bumpy" relationship, how do they expect in case the F-35 may not be delivered to get US engines for its advanced fighter??

Deino

 

[The Eagle]

The most strange part however is another issue: The idea that this will be just an interim engine until a domestic one is ready is crazy to be polite. IMO there is little to no chance Turkey can develop a better engine on its own in the next several decades and even more given the political quite "bumpy" relationship, how do they expect in case the F-35 may not be delivered to get US engines for its advanced fighter??

The chatters around suggest that current selection will be based upon the idea of Interim solution. There is no doubt that Turkey pursues domestic engine solution with one step at a time and seeing its advancement & quality into several other equipment; it will result in one reliable/quality Engine. Quoted GE choices does posses its own repute in class. What if there is Joint Venture type program which may result in fully owned/rights engine for domestic utilization? There can be a partner willing to work closely & deeply in this regard whereby Turkey will fully benefit for the opportunity to come up with Engine having total rights of product. Informed Turkish friends can shed some light in this regard.

 

[UzaySan]

To admit I'm very much surprised by this decision. Even if we already knew the Turkish ambitions for a quite large plane - much larger and heavier than the F-16s it is aimed to replace - but also in terms of technology. First, the F110 is a substantially bigger, heavier and more powerful engine than the EJ200 or its developments but it is less advanced technologically.

The most strange part however is another issue: The idea that this will be just an interim engine until a domestic one is ready is crazy to be polite. IMO there is little to no chance Turkey can develop a better engine on its own in the next several decades and even more given the political quite "bumpy" relationship, how do they expect in case the F-35 may not be delivered to get US engines for its advanced fighter??

Deino

The chatters around suggest that current selection will be based upon the idea of Interim solution. There is no doubt that Turkey pursues domestic engine solution with one step at a time and seeing its advancement & quality into several other equipment; it will result in one reliable/quality Engine. Quoted GE choices does posses its own repute in class. What if there is Joint Venture type program which may result in fully owned/rights engine for domestic utilization? There can be a partner willing to work closely & deeply in this regard whereby Turkey will fully benefit for the opportunity to come up with Engine having total rights of product. Informed Turkish friends can shed some light in this regard.

Turkey produced this engine under license.This means turkey know this engine.it make sense choosing a familiar engine over a choosing a new one and spend years to learn how it works. Also in case of sanction turkish f16s use same engine so we have backups

 

[era_shield]

To admit I'm very much surprised by this decision. Even if we already knew the Turkish ambitions for a quite large plane - much larger and heavier than the F-16s it is aimed to replace - but also in terms of technology. First, the F110 is a substantially bigger, heavier and more powerful engine than the EJ200 or its developments but it is less advanced technologically.

The most strange part however is another issue: The idea that this will be just an interim engine until a domestic one is ready is crazy to be polite. IMO there is little to no chance Turkey can develop a better engine on its own in the next several decades and even more given the political quite "bumpy" relationship, how do they expect in case the F-35 may not be delivered to get US engines for its advanced fighter??

Deino

Keep in mind the F110 was designed in 1979. Although high performance and high quality engines, especially stealth oriented ones, are hard to design, Turkey already has made inroads into some of the most difficult parts of the process, like single crystal turbine manufacture. Already this technology is ahead of what's used in the F110. Still a long road to a production engine but I don't think it's crazy by any means.

 

[-SINAN-]

To admit I'm very much surprised by this decision. Even if we already knew the Turkish ambitions for a quite large plane - much larger and heavier than the F-16s it is aimed to replace - but also in terms of technology. First, the F110 is a substantially bigger, heavier and more powerful engine than the EJ200 or its developments but it is less advanced technologically.

The most strange part however is another issue: The idea that this will be just an interim engine until a domestic one is ready is crazy to be polite. IMO there is little to no chance Turkey can develop a better engine on its own in the next several decades and even more given the political quite "bumpy" relationship, how do they expect in case the F-35 may not be delivered to get US engines for its advanced fighter??

Deino

Let's look at another post of yours.

Thanks for your honest reply and to admit it was never my intention to "make You look like you can't do anything", I'm well aware on what was archived but my point is, the list of projects presented by some (just look at the similar threads at the Key-Publishing forum) it simply impossible: Name me any country which is developing a fifth generation fighter, a supersonic trainer, a transport several helicopters and so on ... the list is endless and most ambitious even for countries with a much higher budget and much higher experience.

I must admit I deeply regret that such discussions immediately run into an emotional battle and barely remain rational: while I - and some others - remain critical and skeptical we are immediately attacked with nationalistic fewer, sometimes even more insulting as if a critical request is simply not allowed. On the other side there are enthusiasts and kids - some would say fan boys - who have no experience and understanding in aeronautics and industry, who think developing is some sort of handy-game or plug and play...

The truth however is surely always somewhere in the middle and only the future will tell what will happen.

Best,
Deino

My friend, for months what i'm seeing from you is; "You can't do that, you can't do this, it is impossible."

Yet Turkey, continue to unveil, test platform after platform. Be it in the land, sea or air.

So, please drop this "you can't do it" attitude, lean back and enjoy your ride.