Sino-Russian military alliance dwarfs US in military power

[Martian2]

China rebukes US official over maritime patrol proposal - Global Times

 

[UKBengali]

@Martian2 - The only thing that can help China would be Russian SSNs but these would not be very effective in the shallow waters of the SCS.

One million Chinese soldiers in Europe will be enough, with Russian army, to over-run Europe all the way to the Atlantic with little problem.

 

[C130]

and how does it drawf the U.S?? can Russia and China combined send 100's of thousands of soldiers around the half the world and sustain them for years???


I don't think so.

and the nuke is the great equalizer.

@Martian2 - The only thing that can help China would be Russian SSNs but these would not be very effective in the shallow waters of the SCS.

One million Chinese soldiers in Europe will be enough, with Russian army, to over-run Europe all the way to the Atlantic with little problem.

yeah not like the UK,France, and NATO doesn't have nuclear weapons. they'll let the Russians and Chinese invade.

you all think this is a video game sometimes.

 

[Martian2]

The Three Great Military Powers

In the modern world, there are three great military powers. Two of them have formally declared each other as enemies (e.g. US/NATO vs. Russian Federation).

China is currently a neutral power. However, with the constant provocations in the South China Sea, China is increasingly likely to side with Russia.

U.S. provocations in the South China Sea make tactical sense. It is designed to irritate China. However, the strategic cost is a Sino-Russian SCO military alliance.

I think the admiral of the 7th fleet is a moron. His suggestion has tactical merit, but it is foolish at the strategic level. I don't think he's qualified to be an admiral. Admirals are supposed to think strategically. The strategic implications of combining the Chinese and Russian armies, navies, air forces, and thermonuclear forces are earth-shattering.

Russia's only weakness is its economy. With Chinese economic strength, Russia's weakness disappears. China's only weakness is a lack of oil. China produces 4.2 million barrels daily, but consumes 10 million barrels per day. With Russian oil production, China's weakness disappears. Russia and China are complementary. Together, they would be the world's undisputed superpower.

 

[ptldM3]

and how does it drawf the U.S?? can Russia and China combined send 100's of thousands of soldiers around the half the world and sustain them for years???


I don't think so.

Yes, that is what this is for:

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

After the AIIB, then it could have an EAIIB as well, and we won't mind to have its HQ in Moscow to signify the geographical proximity as the Eurasian.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Alliance or not, there is plenty room for China-Russia cooperation, both are lagging behind in technologies and economy to US. if China and Russia want to play catchup with US, we need to cooperate and that's one of the economicall way and the fast way to achieve both national objectives and interests.

Let take an aircraft carrier as example, if both can cooperate to share the burden (financial and/or economy) and build 75% of commun body parts, the remaining of 25% to be specific to each nation's needs: Russia can customize the remaining of 25% works (communication, radiar, electronic) same go for China. This will greatly reduce the financial burden, of course we need to have a sophisticate structure and organisation similar as EU consordium to manage all contractual works then we can certain affort to play catch up and arm race with US.

On of the reason why US is technological sophisticated it's because it has access to Japan and EU technologies through cooperations, if China and Russia don't know how to cooperate, we're just condamned ourself.

@ptldM3, what you think of this...any better suggestion?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Alliance or not, there is plenty room for China-Russia cooperation, both are lagging behind in technologies and economy to US. if China and Russia want to play catchup with US, we need to cooperate and that's one of the economicall way and the fast way to achieve both national objectives and interests.

Let take an aircraft carrier as example, if both can cooperate to share the burden (financial and/or economy) and build 75% of commun body parts, the remaining of 25% to be specific to each nation's needs: Russia can customize the remaining of 25% works (communication, radiar, electronic) same go for China. This will greatly reduce the financial burden, of course we need to have a sophisticate structure and organisation similar as EU consordium to manage all contractual works then we can certain affort to play catch up and arm race with US.

On of the reason why US is technological sophisticated it's because it has access to Japan and EU technologies through cooperations, if China and Russia don't know how to cooperate, we're just condamned ourself.

@ptldM3, what you think of this...any better suggestion?

According to our military expert, the DL shipyard is ready to cooperate with Russia if Russia has a such request to jointly build an aircraft carrier with China.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Please...please..please station Chinese troops in Russia on the NATO border!!!
You'll give the US the present it has been dreaming for!

We won't have to worry about the SCS because most of the world simply wont trade with you again.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

According to our military expert, the DL shipyard is ready to cooperate with Russia if Russia has such request to jointly build an aircraft carrier with China.

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Combine both China and Russia military budgets still no match to US, let alone to talk about arm's race, the only way to have close gap with US in military is cooperation combine both nation's strenght than we will have a better outcome.

Please...please..please station Chinese troops in Russia on the NATO border!!!
You'll give the US the present it has been dreaming for!

If American dream for China-Russia alliance...you wish will be granted...when US is playing the containment game against China and Russia, you should expect also the outcome.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Combine both China and Russia military budgets still no match to US, let alone to talk about arm's race, the only way to have close gap with US in military is cooperation combine both nation's strenght than we will have a better outcome.



If American dream for China-Russia alliance...you wish will be granted...when US is playing the containment game against China and Russia, you should expect also the outcome.

China can easily outproduce the US, so it won't be a problem in term of the quantity for sure.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

If American dream for China-Russia alliance...you wish will be granted...when US is playing the containment game against China and Russia, you should expect also the outcome.

You two will be back to pariah status just like 1950.
Nothing has changed. You could have easily sent 1M in 1950 too.

 

[KAL-EL]

and how does it drawf the U.S?? can Russia and China combined send 100's of thousands of soldiers around the half the world and sustain them for years???


I don't think so.

and the nuke is the great equalizer.




yeah not like the UK,France, and NATO doesn't have nuclear weapons. they'll let the Russians and Chinese invade.

you all think this is a video game sometimes.

That's what I love about some of these keyboard warriors. They say "well we can do this, and we can do that" they never take into account that the other side will fight back. Or that the other side has their own nuke and battlefield tactical nukes. Like the other side will just say

"yes, please invade us, we won't fight back"

I honestly think some of these people live in their own little PDF video game world and are devoid of any common sense.

 

[opruh]

Please...please..please station Chinese troops in Russia on the NATO border!!!
You'll give the US the present it has been dreaming for!

We won't have to worry about the SCS because most of the world simply wont trade with you again.

Why in Russia, you don't welcome Chinese troops in the US soil? This will result to better communications between the US and China.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You two will be back to pariah status just like 1950.

This is 21st century we're not living in 1950, China-Russia's relation will be like Germany-France when come to share commun interests, this has proven in geopolitic, we both coordinate our agreement when come to veto US in UN or tackle some regional issue...we have learn a great deal how to work together since 1950...only you Americans still live in the dream that both China-Russia distrust each other hence we will not able to achieve our national objectifs through cooperation.