Should PAF be looking at EJ200 for Thunder

[Storm Force]

The article below quotes a unit cost of $6.7 million for the euro fighter engine EJ200 complete with TOT.

Total deal $660m for 99 engines.

EJ200 the the newest latest engine from europe powering the Typhoon SHOULD PAF be looking at this opportunity since they have good relation with UK & GERMANY

Eurojet pips GE in LCA engine bid

 

[Safriz]

How can PAF look at it when they are offering it to india?

These engines got super cruise which at the moments is a classified technology...
Pakistan being Chinese ally,doesn't stand a chance.

 

[SBD-3]

How can PAF look at it when they are offering it to india?

These engines got super cruise which at the moments is a classified technology...
Pakistan being Chinese ally,doesn't stand a chance.

o bhai......engine is not a missile or an aircraft which PAF should reject given India Uses it....PAF is more interested in Snecma M88 because
1- The company has good repute and history in engine technologies where as Euro Jet is a relatively new born baby in the business
2- PAF has good and satisfactory experience with the company so why to go for a new product when you're satisfied with your existing vendor?
The Supercurise is not a technology that is stuffed in engine but it depends upon a host of factors most importantly engine power and weight of the aircraft. If typhoon is able to SC due to two EJ-200s, JFT may not be able to do so or even may perform worse if the thrust generated by EJ-200 is insufficient.( Just an example for your understanding)

 

[Donatello]

o bhai......engine is not a missile or an aircraft which PAF should reject given India Uses it....PAF is more interested in Snecma M88 because
1- The company has good repute and history in engine technologies where as Euro Jet is a relatively new born baby in the business
2- PAF has good and satisfactory experience with the company so why to go for a new product when you're satisfied with your existing vendor?
The Supercurise is not a technology that is stuffed in engine but it depends upon a host of factors most importantly engine power and weight of the aircraft. If typhoon is able to SC due to two EJ-200s, JFT may not be able to do so or even may perform worse if the thrust generated by EJ-200 is insufficient.( Just an example for your understanding)

Tell me how much relevent SC really is given the short distances of Pakistan and India.


PAF already has enough RD93s for JF-17. Plus they are pretty optimistic on WS 13.

Why go to a third place?

 

[Sinnerman108]

PAF can't even eye Ej200 coz is They are gonna power Teja Mk2,and Europe don't wanna loose India...
so no EJ200 for pakistan...

YEYYYYYY !!!!

even at a non technical member's comment about HYPOTHETICALLY CONSIDERING Euro Jet ( and this will have no practical usage what so ever ); your indian arse ignited faster than Euro Jet.

Oh that reminds me ... what happened to Kaveri ?

Change of Arse oh no, Engines ?

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

PAF can't even eye Ej200 coz is They are gonna power Teja Mk2,and Europe don't wanna loose India...
so no EJ200 for pakistan...

"" euro shaLL Lose india if they seLL the engine to PakisTan too as india doesnt want euro to seLL that stuff to PakisTan just because india's too afraid of having the same engine that PakisTan may aLso be using "" ... stuPid statement from silver.... no wonDer why The worLd caLLs indians " pu--y "

 

[Manticore]

a very good thread is already in place , stormforce-- regards

http://www.defence.pk/forums/jf-17-thunder/64381-jf17-thunders-new-more-potent-superior-engine.html

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Designing an engine for supercruise---is a science in itself---. It takes the jet engine building technology to a totally different pleateau.

 

[Donatello]

PAF can't even eye Ej200 coz is They are gonna power Teja Mk2,and Europe don't wanna loose India...
so no EJ200 for pakistan...

Err,

i think Pakistan had enough of Western experience in the past.

When we have two different engines in hand, why do we need the third one?

 

[InPhilTraitor]

Tell me how much relevent SC really is given the short distances of Pakistan and India.


PAF already has enough RD93s for JF-17. Plus they are pretty optimistic on WS 13.

Why go to a third place?

Could be a contingency for WS13 and maturity curve of it. WS13 is a brand new engine and needs to prove itself in terms of maintenance and life-span other things.

May be PAF knows something about JF-17 that is not known publicly.

 

[Donatello]

Could be a contingency for WS13 and maturity curve of it. WS13 is a brand new engine and needs to prove itself in terms of maintenance and life-span other things.

May be PAF knows something about JF-17 that is not known publicly.

EuroJet for Typhoon is also a new engine, though based on an old one, but first time implemented in such an aerodynamic design.

The reason for going towards WS 13 is the stoppage of Supply by Russia of RD series engines in the future.


WS13 might not be as reliable, but if it is produced in large numbers in China and Pakistan without any hindrance, the cost would be less.

So you can trade reliability for low cost as entire engine replacement becomes cheaper.


Now even the best fighter engines stall and result in crashes...so that's a different story.


PAF had excellent record with the J6 fighters after they were done with initial runs.


So, cheaper WS 13 would mean, swap the old faulty engine out, put new one in. Another reason, maybe, why PAF prefers single engine fighters.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

EuroJet for Typhoon is also a new engine, though based on an old one, but first time implemented in such an aerodynamic design.

The reason for going towards WS 13 is the stoppage of Supply by Russia of RD series engines in the future.


WS13 might not be as reliable, but if it is produced in large numbers in China and Pakistan without any hindrance, the cost would be less.

So you can trade reliability for low cost as entire engine replacement becomes cheaper.


Now even the best fighter engines stall and result in crashes...so that's a different story.


PAF had excellent record with the J6 fighters after they were done with initial runs.


So, cheaper WS 13 would mean, swap the old faulty engine out, put new one in. Another reason, maybe, why PAF prefers single engine fighters.

Actually the EJ 200 and RD 93 are far more reliable than any of the Chinese engines. Simple reason is EJ 200 has completed more than 10,000 hours in flight. The RD series engines have been in use for a very long time,

And there us a problem with the M 88 underperforming atomizer so it is underpowere. Snecma and GTRE are going to sign up a deal for incorporating the snecma core to the Kaveri replacing the Kabini core.

So there is nothing wrong with PAF taking a look at the EJ 200.

 

[SBD-3]

Actually the EJ 200 and RD 93 are far more reliable than any of the Chinese engines. Simple reason is EJ 200 has completed more than 10,000 hours in flight. The RD series engines have been in use for a very long time,

And there us a problem with the M 88 underperforming atomizer so it is underpowere. Snecma and GTRE are going to sign up a deal for incorporating the snecma core to the Kaveri replacing the Kabini core.

So there is nothing wrong with PAF taking a look at the EJ 200.

Another advantage that M88 enjoys over EJ-200 is that along with other goodies, it is also optimized for reduced IR signature, so AC with M 88 will be relatively difficult to hit with IR missile.

The M88-2 powers both the air force and naval versions of the Rafale multirole fighter. It is a new-generation engine that features cutting-edge technologies such as a low-emissions combustor, single-crystal turbine blades and powder metallurgy disks. The M88-2 also incorporates the latest advances to reduce its electromagnetic and infrared signature. Its modular design enhances maintainability and contributes to high dispatch reliability. Snecma has developed an upgraded version, the M88-2E4, to further reduce specific fuel consumption and augment the lifespan of critical engine parts, in particular the core and afterburner. These improvements reduce fuel burn by 2 to 4%.
SAFRAN

 

[Safriz]

The Supercurise is not a technology that is stuffed in engine but it depends upon a host of factors most importantly engine power and weight of the aircraft. If typhoon is able to SC due to two EJ-200s, JFT may not be able to do so or even may perform worse if the thrust generated by EJ-200 is insufficient.( Just an example for your understanding)

Isn't super cruise a classified tech? How can you be so sure about your analysis?
Any links?

 

[SBD-3]

Isn't super cruise a classified tech? How can you be so sure about your analysis?
Any links?

Supercruise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia