Shahed-129 MALE UCAV | News and Discussions

[KIND]

I hope India produces one on time.

 

[Penguin]

Toofan 5 and Qaem Missiles: Production Startup

Defense Minister IRGC Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi inaugurated production lines for two new missiles on Saturday, Iranian television reported. Iran's defense industries will produce an anti-helicopter missile named the Qaem (Rising) and an anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) called the Toofan 5 (Storm).

The Qaem is designed to target helicopters at low and medium altitudes, and is reported to be laser guided.

"Toofan 5 is one of the most advanced missiles. It has two warheads which can destroy tanks and other armoured vehicles," Vahidi was quoted as saying by Fars news agency. He said the Qaem was a "missile which can destroy targets in the air travelling at low speed and at low altitude, especially assault helicopters."

The Toofan 5 is similar to the TOW-2A in appearance with additional forward positioned fins and reported laser guidance.
Iran unveiled the new missile types as part of its 10-Day Dawn celebrations for the 31st anniversary of the Islamic revolution.

Posted 7th February 2010

Uskowi on Iran - اسکویی در باره ایران: Toofan 5 and Qaem Missiles: Production Startup
See also Report: Iran opens two missile plants - CNN.com

I.e. Iran is able to produce a laser beam riding missile.

 

[Penguin]

Iran has acces to electro-optical TV guidance via AGM-65A/B Maverick (30cm diameter) missiles, which in principal could be mated to Toophan/Qaem (15cm diameter) missile body. This type of guidance has aparently been adopted in Zoobin (M-ATF), Qadr and Quased PGMs.

Zoobin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadr_(munition)

Qased - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGM-65D, which employes an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker, was first delivered to the USAF in October 1983 with IOC in February 1986. It is less likely to have been in Iranian stock at the time of the Revolution (1979). However, it cannot be ruled out that Iran managed to obtain it somehow. After all, the under-the-table "Iran-Contra" arms-for-hostages agreement with the US in the mid-1980s for example resulted in the sneaky transfer of at least 23 ex-USAF F-4Es through Paraguay, along with spares and other weapons from the U.S. and Israel.

 

[Penguin]

Iran also operates a number of Russian made aircraft, at least one of which is known to operate a missile which comes in versions with relevant guidance systems:
SU-24 Fencer > KH-29 > It is comparable to the Maverick missile but with a much heavier warhead. Guidance variants are: semi-active laser (L), passive homing TV (T), infrared homing (D), and active radar homing (MP). Iran uses the L and T variants. (Note: in principal Mig-29 and Su-25 can also carry this, but this does not appear the case in IRIAF)

Kh-29T (Izdeliye 64, 'Kedge-B') television seeker:

Iran also has Kowsar, a domestic variation of the Chinese C-701. Guidance variations: TV-homing, Infra-red homing, millimetre wave active radar homing. Shown: C-701KD.

PLA Cruise Missiles / PLA Air - Surface Missiles
EagleSpeak: Iran tries out radar-evading, multi-targeting missile?

 

[Penguin]

Looks like TV guidance to me.

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[500]

Iran has acces to electro-optical TV guidance via AGM-65A/B Maverick (30cm diameter) missiles, which in principal could be mated to Toophan/Qaem (15cm diameter) missile body. This type of guidance has aparently been adopted in Zoobin (M-ATF), Qadr and Quased PGMs.

Zoobin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadr_(munition)

Qased - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGM-65D, which employes an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker, was first delivered to the USAF in October 1983 with IOC in February 1986. It is less likely to have been in Iranian stock at the time of the Revolution (1979). However, it cannot be ruled out that Iran managed to obtain it somehow. After all, the under-the-table "Iran-Contra" arms-for-hostages agreement with the US in the mid-1980s for example resulted in the sneaky transfer of at least 23 ex-USAF F-4Es through Paraguay, along with spares and other weapons from the U.S. and Israel.

These rockets and bombs weight hundreds kg. While UAV missile should be about 10 times lighter. Plus they use outdated TV seeker that often locks poorly and often needs corrections from the pilot.

 

[SOHEIL]

 

[Arminkh]

I am not asking to join you. I am only informing you. If you want to believe that this blurry toy is larger than Hermes 900 - you are welcome:

Hermess 900 Wingspan: 15m
Hermess 900 length: 8.5m

Compare the reporter standing beside Shahed 129. I'd say it is at least 8m long if not longer and the wing span is easily 15 m long.

Here is Hermess 900:

Compare the height of the guard even though Hermess is on 3 step stage (51 cm high). The only difference is the bulged nose of Hermess that make it look bigger.

 

[The SC]

Sad I was hoping to see some more info about that great achievement.

Strange that Iran became one of very few countries developing own E/O ATGM in he world, but is not bragging about it at all.

Report: Missile system captured by Hizbullah, sent to Iran


SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Monday, November 6, 2006
TEL AVIV — Hizbullah has captured an Israeli-origin advanced anti-tank guided missile system.


Israel state-owned television said an unidentified army unit left the launcher and missile in southern Lebanon, Middle East Newsline reported. The television said in a Nov. 3 report that Hizbullah found the Spike system and transferred it to Iran.
Israeli military sources said the Ground Forces Command has determined that Hizbullah seized the Spike anti-tank guided missile system. The sources said Hizbullah captured the Israeli system during the war in Lebanon in the summer of 2006.

"We know that one Gil [Spike] system has gone missing in an area where Hizbullah operated," a source said.

The Spike was developed and produced by the state-owned Rafael, Israel Armament Development Authority. The system, sold to several countries, was widely used against Hizbullah in the 34-day war in Lebanon, which ended on Aug. 14.

"It obviously went to Iran," Yoav Limor, the television's military commentator, said.

The television report said Israel's military has assessed that Iran would seek to reverse-engineer the Spike ATGM, with a range of four kilometers. Limor said this would allow Iran to develop counter-measures.

During the war, Hizbullah used Russian-origin anti-tank missiles obtained from Syria. They included the AT-14 Kornet missile, with a range of 5.5 kilometers.
World Tribune.com -- Report: Missile system captured by Hizbullah, sent to Iran

The ones you see on the Shahed -129 is an electro -optical guided fire and forget ATGM. With it's likely quite strong tandem warhead and also likely top-attack capability it should be deadly even against most modern tanks which have active protection.

 

[500]

Report: Missile system captured by Hizbullah, sent to Iran


SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Monday, November 6, 2006
TEL AVIV — Hizbullah has captured an Israeli-origin advanced anti-tank guided missile system.


Israel state-owned television said an unidentified army unit left the launcher and missile in southern Lebanon, Middle East Newsline reported. The television said in a Nov. 3 report that Hizbullah found the Spike system and transferred it to Iran.
Israeli military sources said the Ground Forces Command has determined that Hizbullah seized the Spike anti-tank guided missile system. The sources said Hizbullah captured the Israeli system during the war in Lebanon in the summer of 2006.

"We know that one Gil [Spike] system has gone missing in an area where Hizbullah operated," a source said.

The Spike was developed and produced by the state-owned Rafael, Israel Armament Development Authority. The system, sold to several countries, was widely used against Hizbullah in the 34-day war in Lebanon, which ended on Aug. 14.

"It obviously went to Iran," Yoav Limor, the television's military commentator, said.

The television report said Israel's military has assessed that Iran would seek to reverse-engineer the Spike ATGM, with a range of four kilometers. Limor said this would allow Iran to develop counter-measures.

During the war, Hizbullah used Russian-origin anti-tank missiles obtained from Syria. They included the AT-14 Kornet missile, with a range of 5.5 kilometers.
World Tribune.com -- Report: Missile system captured by Hizbullah, sent to Iran

The ones you see on the Shahed -129 is an electro -optical guided fire and forget ATGM. With it's likely quite strong tandem warhead and also likely top-attack capability it should be deadly even against most modern tanks which have active protection.

Yep missile looks very much like Spike-ER clone. But if they made a Spike-ER clone why they not bragging about this remarkable achievement?

When they made Kornet copy they bragged all over including hi res pictures from production lines and launches:

Only reasonable explanation is that their Spike ER clone is just a mock up.

Hermess 900 Wingspan: 15m
Hermess 900 length: 8.5m

Compare the reporter standing beside Shahed 129. I'd say it is at least 8m long if not longer and the wing span is easily 15 m long.

Here is Hermess 900:

Compare the height of the guard even though Hermess is on 3 step stage (51 cm high). The only difference is the bulged nose of Hermess that make it look bigger.

I am not talking about the mock up, which is big. I am talking about the flying one which they show in blurry 240 p quality.

 

[Arminkh]

I am not talking about the mock up, which is big. I am talking about the flying one which they show in blurry 240 p quality.

[/QUOTE]

LOL, That is a mock up now?

The relative size of the missiles to wingspan to propeller to the landing gear are all the same. Those are not mock ups. Those are the real drones.

And hopefully you know that weight and size are two unrelated characteristics. Hermess may be heavier but still the same size so just by looking at the way it lands, you can't comment about its size.

 

[500]

I am not talking about the mock up, which is big. I am talking about the flying one which they show in blurry 240 p quality.

LOL, That is a mock up now?

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The relative size of the missiles to wingspan to propeller to the landing gear are all the same. Those are not mock ups. Those are the real drones.

And hopefully you know that weight and size are two unrelated characteristics. Hermess may be heavier but still the same size so just by looking at the way it lands, you can't comment about its size.

Usual blurry junk. By the way Israel used similar trick in the past. In 1961 Israel launched a sounding rocket Shavit-2. This was its actual size:

And this is how they filmed it:

LOL

 

[Penguin]

These rockets and bombs weight hundreds kg. While UAV missile should be about 10 times lighter. Plus they use outdated TV seeker that often locks poorly and often needs corrections from the pilot.

No one said these PGMs go onto the UAV, as you well know.

As indicated, Iran had access to AGM-65A/B and hence E/O TV guidance. Those AGM-65s have a 30 cm diameter body. Toophan, like TOW has a 15cm body. The seeker from AGM-65 however is much less than the full missile diameter and could well be grafted to a smaller diamiter missile like Toophan.

Whether or not a TV seeker is outdated is irrelevant when you claim is that Iran has no E/O missile guidance....

 

[500]

No one said these PGMs go onto the UAV, as you well know.

As indicated, Iran had access to AGM-65A/B and hence E/O TV guidance. Those AGM-65s have a 30 cm diameter body. Toophan, like TOW has a 15cm body. The seeker from AGM-65 however is much less than the full missile diameter and could well be grafted to a smaller diamiter missile like Toophan.

Whether or not a TV seeker is outdated is irrelevant when you claim is that Iran has no E/O missile guidance....

I claim that very few countries in the world made E/O ATGMs. India and Turkey still did not finish after decade. Strange that Iran is not bragging about this remarkable achievement.

Unless its a mock up.

 

[The SC]

Yep missile looks very much like Spike-ER clone. But if they made a Spike-ER clone why they not bragging about this remarkable achievement?

When they made Kornet copy they bragged all over including hi res pictures from production lines and launches:

Only reasonable explanation is that their Spike ER clone is just a mock up.


I am not talking about the mock up, which is big. I am talking about the flying one which they show in blurry 240 p quality.

The Spike-ER Anti Tank Guided Weapon (ATGW) is the extended long-range version of the Spike family, capable of defeating tanks at a range of up to 8 kilometers. This missile is designed for installation on land vehicles, helicopters and naval platforms. Spike-ER uses a day seeker or day/night seeker, tandem warhead, and retains the dual operation modes of Spike- Fire-and-Forget & Fire-Observe and Update.

Fire and Forget Plus
Spike-ER provides the gunner with the unique ability to:

• Update or switch targets after launch
• Achieve real-time intelligence and identify friends or foe
• Perform battle damage assessment
• Achieve extended range and pinpoint accuracy
• Minimize collateral damage

Main features:

• High kill probability
• Pinpoint accuracy
• High survivability of weapon operator
• Multi-mission capability against a wide variety of targets
• Easy to operate, requires minimal training
• Reliability - 10 year maintenance free storage, built-in testing
• Reduced life cycle cost
• Lightweight

The Iranian missile that we see on Shahed-129 carried under the right wing Is an electro-optic ATGW with a specific look down feature, and both technologies are non existent in the Spike ATGW. Why should they brag about it if it is not strategic like Dehlavia. The ones you see on the picture are just variants of some sort, under the left wing you can see the laser guided ones.

For the size of the Shahed-129 you can look again to a pic in post # 88 where you see a similar but much smaller drone beside it...