Why Armenia And Serbia Might Seek Iranian Drones

[aryobarzan]

ERDOGAN : Türkiye's Black Sea gas discoveries now worth $1 trillion​

also there are trillions of Dollars of gas reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean which is belong to Turkiye


and $450 billion debt is not problem for Turkiye's $1 trillion of GDP




Turkiye has bigger GDP than Greece+Iran+Egypt combined

Turkiye : $1.029 trillion
Greece+Iran+Egypt = $984 billion

Turkey GDP is fake .shows 20% jump in one year...erdogan cooks the books for election..you are a poor country living on Arab handouts.

 

[Foinikas]

ERDOGAN : Türkiye's Black Sea gas discoveries now worth $1 trillion

And he will discover the fountain of youth one week before elections

and $450 billion debt is not problem for Turkiye's $1 trillion of GDP
Turkiye invested on public projects to earn money ....
$450 billion debt = investments

Oh my ....he actually believes that stuff

 

[HGV]

A war between Turkey and Iran would be interesting. If no other countries intervene I mean.

Probably a bloody stalemate. Iran is geared up for asymmetric defence and Turkey for conventional offence. If there are no foreign supplies then over a longer time period Turkey's military assets would come under huge strain and be severely degraded, whereas Iran can keep producing 300-2000km ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in huge cost-effective numbers forever, albeit without being able to capitalise on that with ground offensives given our weak ground forces relative to Turkey's more modern army.

Turkey is more integrated with the global economic system and relies more on tourism and has much more debt than Iran already. A war would be bloody for both sides (likely 'bloodier' for Iran) but economically disastrous for Turkey.

Unless Turkey actively incites separatism among Azeri-Iranians inside Iran (which would fail anyway and Turkey is much more vulnerable to these games with its massive separatist Kurdish population), there is no reason for such a conflict that would only severely harm both countries and lead to no real changes on the ground. Despite the Iran-obsessed Turkey stronk trolls who like to spam the Iranian section of this forum, in reality Iran and Turkey have pragmatic and positive relations, especially economically.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey GDP is fake .shows 20% jump in one year...erdogan cooks the books for election..you are a poor country living on Arab handouts.

$5 billion from Arab Countries are nothing

Turkiye spent even $100 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries including 3,6 million Syrian refugees


Turkiye's GDP is real

even if there were no attacks on Turkiye and Turkish economy by USA,PKK/YPG,FETO,ISIS since 2013

now Turkiye would have min $2 trillion of GDP instead of $1 trillion

Turkish currency dropped by 1.000% between 2013 and 2023
1 USD has risen to 19,4 TL from 1.8 TL between 2002 and 2023


poor undeveloped Iran is nothing to compare with regional super power Turkiye

 

[Foinikas]

Probably a bloody stalemate. Iran is geared up for asymmetric defence and Turkey for conventional offence. If there are no foreign supplies then over a longer time period Turkey's military assets would come under huge strain and be severely degraded, whereas Iran can keep producing 300-2000km ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in huge cost-effective numbers forever, albeit without being able to capitalise on that with ground offensives given our weak ground forces relative to Turkey's more modern army.

Turkey is more integrated with the global economic system and relies more on tourism and has much more debt than Iran already. A war would be bloody for both sides (likely 'bloodier' for Iran) but economically disastrous for Turkey.

Unless Turkey actively incites separatism among Azeri-Iranians inside Iran (which would fail anyway and Turkey is much more vulnerable to these games with its massive separatist Kurdish population), there is no reason for such a conflict that would only severely harm both countries and lead to no real changes on the ground. Despite the Iran-obsessed Turkey stronk trolls who like to spam the Iranian section of this forum, in reality Iran and Turkey have pragmatic and positive relations, especially economically.

Good analysis!

Turkiye spent even $100 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries including 3,6 million Syrian refugees

Here we go again....

 

[MMM-E]

Turkiye found gas in the Black Sea in 2021,, 2 years before elections

Türkiye launches Black Sea gas deliveries​

20.04.2023


Türkiye started natural gas production from a vast reserve discovered in the Black Sea

When we reach full capacity, we will meet 30% of our country's gas needs from the Black Sea reserves

the reserve was eventually predicted to hold around 710 billion m3 of gas ( $1 trillion )

Türkiye launches Black Sea gas deliveries in historic milestone

Türkiye Thursday started natural gas production from a vast reserve discovered in the Black Sea, which promises to curb the country's external...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[aryobarzan]

$5 billion from Arab Countries are nothing

Turkiye spent even $100 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries including 3,6 million Syrian refugees


Turkiye's GDP is real

even if there were no attacks on Turkiye and Turkish economy by USA,PKK/YPG,FETO,ISIS since 2013

now Turkiye would have min $2 trillion of GDP instead of $1 trillion

Turkish currency dropped by 1.000% between 2013 and 2023
1 USD has risen to 19,4 TL from 1.8 TL between 2002 and 2023


poor undeveloped Iran is nothing to compare with regional super power Turkiye

Turkey GDP shows 20% increase in one year..IMF data shows only 2%..growth..erdogan cooked the numbers..
You are superpower in MMM-E universe...you are listed as bankrupt risk by rating agencies.
You need $100 billion dollars to rebuild after earth quake .you have 13 million people homeless now..who is going to give you $100 billion to rebuild..

Come down to earth boy..I do not like to humiliate you too much..

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey GDP shows 20% increase in one year..IMF data shows only 2%..growth..erdogan cooked the numbers..

Turkish GDP dropped by 30% in 2021 when 1 USD has risen to 18 TL from 7,2TL
but 1 USD has risen to 19,4 TL from 18 TL between 2021 and 2023

so Turkiye's $1 trillion GDP is real

even Turkiye had $960 billion of GDP in 2013 ... ( 10 years ago )

You are superpower in MMM-E universe...you are listed as bankrupt risk by rating agencies.

only in your lies and fantasy world


reality
Turkiye has bigger economy and GDP than İran+Greece+Egypt combined
and Turkiye is only industrialized country in the region

You need $100 billion dollars to rebuild after earth quake .you have 13 million people homeless now..who is going to give you $100 billion to rebuild..

Turkiye is not poor Iran

Turkiye has the 2nd strongest construction industry in the world after China
We will rebuild 650.000 new houses in 13 cities ..
200.000 of 650.000 new houses will be built in 1 year


no any problem we have great money

also 1.5 million new houses will be built in Istanbul in 5 years

Türkiye to continue low-rate policy, speed up urban transformation

President Recep Tayyip ErdoÄan said Friday that Türkiye had rebuilt 3.3 million houses under urban transformation projects and that these projects would...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[SalarHaqq]

Monarchists are 10x more nationalistic and patriotic than the IRI and its Islamist supporters. If nationalists are in charge not only would Iran have the support of the US and West (which in itself would deter any aggressive moves against Iran) but they would also not allow any separatism. The big voices in the West would also cease lending their support to separatism inside Iran. The West doesn't care about Kurds or Arabs or Baloch populations, they just use those populations to undermine Iran because Iran is currently their enemy.

I'd have to differ categorically on both counts.

Monarchists are led by and are obedient to their crown prince Reza Pahlavi. A study of that character's and his close associates' political shenanigans over the past decades will be telling in this regard. Pahlavi and his clique have fully submitted to the balkanization agenda for Iran as defined by their zionist and western patrons. Hence the recurrent meetings between Pahlavi and separatist elements (including Azari ones), hence his recent statement that separation of provinces can be put to vote since "democracy" trumps everything else, and so on and so forth. This is amply documented, so I'll restrict myself to mentioning the existence of this vast body of evidence, which is accessible through online search.

Moreover monarchists at large have undergone ideological evolution as well. They're now heavily influenced by globalism and liberalism, therefore their nationalist background has been watered down considerably. Not to mention that modern secular Iranian nationalism had been affected by western (read Anglo-Saxon and French) cultural imperialism from the outset. The memory of a figure such as Taqizade, who used to openly advocate "westernization" of Iran as the "sole possible" path to "modernization", and to consider Iranian culture as "inferior" to the west's, is still fresh. Now yes, westernized elements of this kind exist in the Islamic camp as well (reformist and moderate liberals), but who will be calling the shots among Islamic forces in the event of a major security crisis, and who will be doing so within the monarchist one? The answer should be clear I believe.

To compound the point, so-called "federalization" of Iran's state institutions along "ethno"-linguistic lines, complete with the establishment of regional governments and the providing of all public education classes in local languages - a textbook recipe for balkanization, features prominently among the declared political programs of every single anti-IR group that matters at the scale of the opposition. And this includes the monarchists. It's part and parcel of their goals, it's official. How this became an irrevocable item on the agenda of the monarchist opposition is self-explanatory: it's that their western and zionist sponsors have requested it from them. Ardeshir Zahedi, a former minister active under the shah regime denounced this, but what happened next? He instantly came under sustained fire from the monarchist establishment and turned into a dissident for the rest of his days.

This "ethnic" federalization program, an obvious and definitive prelude to territorial disintegration is therefore the absolute best case scenario awaiting Iran if the current political order were to make way for another. Truth is that the Islamic Republic represents indeed the ultimate line of defence standing against the concrete implementation of this sinister watchword.

When it comes to western regimes, they very much care about making sure that a potentially independent Iran won't challenge their interests ever again. The most foolproof way of achieving this, as per the Oded Yinon doctrine, is by subjecting the target to territorial dissolution along "ethno"-linguistic lines.

USA and NATO policy in West Asia is largely determined by the zionist lobby in Washington. And the latter will not let any opportunity to break Iran into pieces go to waste. But even assuming that western regimes have been autonomous in their policy-making toward the region: a cursory glance at the fate of nation-states confronted with western-orchestrated "regime change" operations and other violent interventions, from Sudan to Libya via Iraq and Syria will remove any doubt as to their game-plan. And, Iran to them is the big prize. She would be given that treatment severalfold.

Equally of import is that ultimately, the will to preserve territorial integrity is not a function of how nationalistic a leadership is. For this is something any functional government regardless of its ideology will prioritize. Historic examples of states following an ideology other than nationalism but going to great lengths to safeguard their territorial integrity aren't hard to come by.

As a matter of fact, nationalism hardly makes sense and will be reduced to a facade devoid of substance in the absence of independence and self-determination - precisely what the monarchy was sorely lacking, and which the Islamic Republic restored in Iran. Neither Reza Khan nor Mohammad Reza Pahlavi could muster what it takes to uphold Iranian sovereignty in the face of imperialist powers; Reza Pahlavi junior being the most farcical of the three in this regard.

Of course that is assuming a "clean" regime change which is unlikely. IRI supporters and officials are not likely to cede power peacefully like the Shah did, they will probably burn the country in a civil war instead. But that's effective, that's why even a lot of people who don't support the IRI don't want another revolution.

The shah unlike the Islamic Republic was dependent on his imperialist bosses. This was so when he fled the country in 1953, and it was so in 1979 as well. Except that in the latter case, western regimes too were powerless in the face of what was one of the most authentic, momentous and earthshaking revolutions in history.

 

[MMM-E]

People still do not realize how Turkiye is a power



Turkiye's $78 billion investment for civil aviation

-- to build ISTANBUL Airport ( $12 billion ) ...the biggest in the world
-- to buy 387 planes for $66 billion

-- 34 Airbus A321-200 .... ( 2013-2017 )
-- 92 Airbus A321Neo .... ( 2018-2022 )
-- 36 Boeing 737-800 .... ( 2013 - 2016 )
-- 15 Boeing 737-900ER ... ( 2012 - 2015 )
-- 65 Boeing 737 MAX 8 ... ( 2018-2021 )
-- 10 Boeing 737 MAX 9 ... ( 2019-2020 )
-- 27 Airbus A330-300 .... ( 2013-2017 )
-- 12 Boeing 777-300ER ....( 2010 - 2011 )
-- 23 Boeing 777-300ER ....( 2014 - 2017 )
-- 40 Boeing 787-900 Dreamliner ... ( 2019-2023 )
-- 25 Airbus A350-900 .... ( until 2023 )


Turkish Airlines owns one of 10 biggest Aircraft fleet in the world
( USA , China , Turkiye )


Turkish Airlines have more Aircrafts than İsraeli Airlines+ Egypt Air + Aegean Airlines of Greece + İran Air + Pakistan International Airlines combined

Turkish Airlines : 411
Egypt Air : 67
Aegean Airlines of Greece : 51
İsraeli Airlines : 44
İran Air : 43
Pakistan International Airlines : 31


Turkish Airlines = 411
Greece+Iran+Egypt+Israel+Pakistan combined : 236

Turkish Airlines is number 1 in Europe and number 6 in the world


regional super power Turkiye vs all of you

 

[SalarHaqq]

A war between Turkey and Iran would be interesting. If no other countries intervene I mean.

Interesting for whom, other than zionist and NATO imperialists? One should not wish for war simply for the sake of observing how it would play out.

 

[Foinikas]

Interesting for whom, other than zionist and NATO imperialists? One should not wish for war simply for the sake of observing how it would play out.

No,no. Militarily and geopolitically.

People still do not realize how Turkiye is a power



Turkiye's $78 billion investment for civil aviation

-- to build ISTANBUL Airport ( $12 billion ) ...the biggest in the world
-- to buy 387 planes for $66 billion

-- 34 Airbus A321-200 .... ( 2013-2017 )
-- 92 Airbus A321Neo .... ( 2018-2022 )
-- 36 Boeing 737-800 .... ( 2013 - 2016 )
-- 15 Boeing 737-900ER ... ( 2012 - 2015 )
-- 65 Boeing 737 MAX 8 ... ( 2018-2021 )
-- 10 Boeing 737 MAX 9 ... ( 2019-2020 )
-- 27 Airbus A330-300 .... ( 2013-2017 )
-- 12 Boeing 777-300ER ....( 2010 - 2011 )
-- 23 Boeing 777-300ER ....( 2014 - 2017 )
-- 40 Boeing 787-900 Dreamliner ... ( 2019-2023 )
-- 25 Airbus A350-900 .... ( until 2023 )


Turkish Airlines owns one of 10 biggest Aircraft fleet in the world
( USA , China , Turkiye )


Turkish Airlines have more Aircrafts than İsraeli Airlines+ Egypt Air + Aegean Airlines of Greece + İran Air + Pakistan International Airlines combined

Turkish Airlines : 411
Egypt Air : 67
Aegean Airlines of Greece : 51
İsraeli Airlines : 44
İran Air : 43
Pakistan International Airlines : 31


Turkish Airlines = 411
Greece+Iran+Egypt+Israel+Pakistan combined : 236

Turkish Airlines is number 1 in Europe and number 6 in the world


regional super power Turkiye vs all of you

Aren't you tired of posting that bullshit every day all day?

 

[aryobarzan]

Turkish GDP dropped by 30% in 2021 when 1 USD has risen to 18 TL from 7,2TL
but 1 USD has risen to 19,4 TL from 18 TL between 2021 and 2023

so Turkiye's GDP is real

even Turkiye had $960 billion of GDP in 2013




only in your lies and fantasy world


reality
Turkiye has bigger economy and GDP than İran+Greece+Egypt combined
and Turkiye is only industrialized country in the region




Turkiye is not poor Iran

Turkiye has the 2nd strongest construction industry in the world after China
We will rebuild 650.000 new houses in 13 cities ..
200.000 of 650.000 new houses will be built in 1 year


no any problem we have great money

also 1.5 million new houses will be built in Istanbul in 5 years

Türkiye to continue low-rate policy, speed up urban transformation

President Recep Tayyip ErdoÄan said Friday that Türkiye had rebuilt 3.3 million houses under urban transformation projects and that these projects would...

www.dailysabah.com

You are a poor country..last year you had a trade deficit of $110 billion dollars..for every dollar that you exported you imported one dollar 45 cents..that is death spiral..next year it gets worse..at one point no one will lend you any money....Russia just injected money to your central bank to keep you afloat..Arabs are buying everything you have..stop trumping your chest..

Yes you are a poor country with bad future....poor countries with no prospect start stupid wars...Iran does not need another poor country on our borders.

 

[SalarHaqq]

No,no. Militarily and geopolitically.

I understand, but I believe one shouldn't be wishing for war to break out on grounds that it could provide material for military and geopolitical analysis.

 

[MMM-E]

You are a poor country..last year you had a trade deficit of $110 billion dollars..for every dollar that you exported you imported one dollar 45 cents..that is death spiral..next year it gets worse..at one point no one will lend you any money.

Poor Iran = $367 billion of GDP
Turkiye = $1 trillion of GDP

Turkiye has bigger economy and GDP than İran+Greece+Egypt combined
and Turkiye is only industrialized country in the region


btw Turkiye has great tourism sector to earn $100 billion money in a few years

even Turkiye has the 4th biggest health tourism in the world to earn $20 billion


regional super power Turkiye vs all of you