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Manmohan's Fate is like PV Narsimha Rao. After he left office congress has destroyed his legacy. Now they are doing the same to PVNR's prodigy MMS.
I feel that congress will come up with something like "Look we admit that MMS was a mistake. But now we are ready to correct the same under the able leadership of Rahul Gandhi. Please vote for us"
I feel that congress will come up with something like "Look we admit that MMS was a mistake. But now we are ready to correct the same under the able leadership of Rahul Gandhi. Please vote for us"
Thats the fate of any non Nehru-Gandhi-Wadera Prime Minister.
How many airports, roads, bridges, buildings, universities, schemes in the name of Jawahar Lal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, and how many in the name of Lal Bahadur Sashtri, P.V.Narshihma Rao?
They will always want Congress Party to remain a Nehru Gandhi party and therefore they keep all the legacy exclusively for themselves and "within the family", any one else will be tossed in the trash bin. Sadly none of the Congressi "leaders" have the balls to stand up against that.
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That will be pretty much their downfall... Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi has basically no respect left and people are beginning to see through the Gandhi family facade ... They really cant keep this up for too long...we are a whole different nation from the time of Nehru's and Indira's...
Wishful thinking mate, they have only started to groom Rahul Gandhi now, give it a few more years to see the real face of the beast. Power is very addictive, and Nehru Gandhi Wadera family is high on power, they won't give up all this just like that. Next 20-25 years will be Rahul Gandhi's reign, in the mean time Nehru Vadera scions(who will be called Raihan Gandhi and Miraya Gandhi and not Vadera), will be ready to take over the Kindom of India.
Other Congressi leaders know that their party will have no hope without the Nehru Gandhi name, so they won't let go of them no matter what, and will be happy to play the second fiddle.
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Not wishful thinking at all ... The Nehru Gandhi family arn't super humans .. you are over estimating their power ... they had so much control back then because they had complete control on the flow of information....they controlled what people saw, people red and hence controlled what they thought..the world is different now with twitter,alternative media , people like Nehru,Sonia and Gandhi family being exposed ..10 years ago Nehru's and Gandhi's were treated as gods/heroes , now look at their public Image.. My point is not that they will give up, my point is they will fail to achieve anything .. Look at Rahul Gandhi himself , his image is that of any spoilt child ... The Nehru Gandhi name slowly is coming to ruins unless they come up with a fresh face ...
Infact in the last 4 years the Gandhi family image has already been severely tarnished ..
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Its the mess created by the manmohan singh as sonia gandhi have given him free hand in running the government apart from the key issues that effects the party as its the bread-butter of her.
So the sonia takes up the matters that effect the party votes rest of the govt work is left to the manmohan singh.
The BJP is all doing fake talks and lots of
but in the all parties meeting they have supported this ordinance the BJP's National general secretary and official spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad had taken a strong stand against the supreme court's verdict against corrupt netas. 
Its BJP's double standard that they supports the ordinance but in public just rant against it
So the sonia takes up the matters that effect the party votes rest of the govt work is left to the manmohan singh.
The BJP is all doing fake talks and lots of
but in the all parties meeting they have supported this ordinance the BJP's National general secretary and official spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad had taken a strong stand against the supreme court's verdict against corrupt netas. Its BJP's double standard that they supports the ordinance but in public just rant against it
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The fact of the matter is Congress needs Gandhis more than Gandhis need Congress... Gandhi family is fully aware of this reality & are taking maximum advantage of this. Without Gandhis Congress will be in bits... & belittling any leader other than a Gandhi works for their party unity!
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who will lead the way after Sonia ? she clearly is not capable(in terms of health) to lead the party for too long ... Priyanka Gandhi ?
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That is not how Indians seem to think, no matter what their political preferences. Those running after Modi blindly (and there are many) are equally crazy. They are vituperative towards anyone opposing their guy & that includes Advani, a man who created both the BJP & Modi. Had Advani not demurred, Vajpayee would have sent Modi packing after 2002. The problem is an inability to see faults in one's own side but to magnify the very same in the "enemy". There are plenty here who support Modi, who dismiss Vajpayee, who are vituperatively rude to Advani & anyone else who might oppose Modi who are doing pretty much the same thing.Thekedari system is practiced by every side. The Congress has only institutionalised it.
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whats your fuss with Modi ?
NO..i don't think your right .... there is nothing really wrong with Indians in general and one cannot generalize that an entire population of 1.2 billion people thinks and acts the same way ...its just wrong.... Modi is famous because of development , yes..he has his faults for sure but comparing the likes of Modi "considering no body is even remotely aware who the name of his father and mother " who came from a simple background and rose through the ranks through sheer hardwork over some bunch morons who had the privilege to be spoon fed leadership of an entire country ? So no....please do not pass the blame onto Modi supporters people support him for the right reason , I myself wanted to vote for congress last election , why did i decide to support him ? Modi has his faults...but he gets the job done ...And please do not call people who support Modi blind....we do not blindly support some one...its honestly insulting ...
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Who is embarrassing our PM Mannu more?? BJP or Rahul??? A man with self respect would have stepped down after such an embarrassment. Getting pity on MMS, the only human being which don't have any sense.
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whats your fuss with Modi ?
And please do not call people who support Modi blind....we do not blindly support some one...its honestly insulting ...
See what you did above? I didn't even criticise Modi & you got all uppity. Criticism is a two way street. Can't expect eveyone to agree with you & must learn to respect other people's opinion. I offered no opinion on Modi, only on his supporters. The rationale is the same as when applied to the Congress....that "Our leader is supreme and can do no wrong".....Same everywhere.Generalisation was not my intent but making this point was.
He can hardly resign on this issue, supporting the right of tainted politicians? That would be a even more terrible burden to bear.
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National Interest: His Moral Highness
Shekhar Gupta
After hitting the prime minister's office, Rahul cannot afford to run.
What does September 27, 2013 have in common with January 20, 1987? And why should we call it a most stunning example of history repeating itself? Except, while it triggered the decline of the father in spite of his unprecedented majority, it has pretty much finished whatever remained of the prestige and authority of what the son described as "my government" in this afternoon's remarkable political turning point, designed for televised flourish.
Rahul Gandhi, in short, had discovered his A.P. Venkateswaran moment. That pre-internet, pre-news TV moment needs some recalling for a nation so innocent, nearly half a billion of its people are younger than Google. At a press conference at Vigyan Bhawan, a Pakistani journalist said to Rajiv Gandhi that there was some contradiction in his statement and his foreign secretary's (Venkateswaran) about when he was likely to visit Islamabad. Rajiv Gandhi said, quite nonchalantly in fact, "Soon, you will be talking to a new foreign secretary." Venkat, widely respected and utterly a proper establishment man, was taken by surprise. Unwilling to take that public humiliation, he resigned the same afternoon. He did this even though he was merely 56, had been in the top job for just about nine months, and had plenty of service left.
This Friday afternoon's drama played out at the Press Club of India, just about a kilometre up the same Lutyen's avenue, in pretty much the same manner. The only difference being, Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had fired his foreign secretary, which he had every right to do, particularly when there were differences between them. This was a firing several ranks downwards and there was no likelihood of the then External Affairs Minister N.D. Tiwari (he of the more recent sex tapes and paternity test fame) or his MoS, K. Natwar Singh, complaining that they had been passed over in the decision. The only questionable thing was that he did this in public, at a press conference and, not to miss the foreign hand, in answer to a Pakistani journalist.
Rahul Gandhi, as the party's vice president, has delivered a similar blow (we are not calling it a sacking as yet as we do not know what next week has in store) several ranks upwards, at least in the constitutional scheme of things, to his own party's prime minister. It is up to the prime minister now to decide whether he wants to close this loop of history by following Venkat's brave example. Or, stoop to carry on as a "loyal soldier", thereby furthering the sycophantic tradition of his party.
His admirers would wish that he chose the former. Even if, given where he is right now in Washington, meeting Obama on Friday and Nawaz Sharif on Sunday he is denied the freedom that Venkat had of exiting the same afternoon, he should do so immediately on his return. It would be heartbreaking for all those who admire him for his dignity, integrity and intellect whatever the criticism of his lack of articulation or decisiveness if he chose to simply carry on. He is not even a Gowda, or Gujral or Chandra Shekhar (although, having known him well, I doubt if the last named would have put up with this). What is more important, if he carries on, he would not merely demean himself personally, but also destroy whatever respect and authority still survives with the office of the prime minister. The prime minister's oath of office also has an implicit responsibility to protect the preeminent decision-making authority and dignity of that office. And it is so difficult to see how Manmohan Singh would be persuaded to go down in history as somebody who so damaged it.
He also knows better than all of us that what happened now was no isolated incident. This process of pitting his government against the party, of undermining him and his office, began just as UPA 2 was sworn in. His first foreign policy initiative, the Sharm el-Sheikh joint statement with his Pakistani counterpart, was vetoed in public by his own party. He resiled in his first public humiliation by his own party (filling in quite nicely the role the Left played in UPA 1). Several party "loyalists" in his cabinet took the cue immediately, and blocked projects and decisions in areas ranging from environment, agricultural research, mining, tribal affairs, industry and so on, ruining his stellar record on economic reform and growth. All this led to the current economic and monetary crisis, while the man supposedly in charge, and the one Angela Merkel often describes as the only leader who really understands the global economic crisis, watched helplessly from the sidelines. It's time now he said to all of them, enough. You win. Find yourselves another prime minister, or advance the polls.
And what about Rahul Gandhi? The best thing is that he has finally spoken out, taken a stand on something. So far, he has promised to be tribal ka sipahi on one day, and kisan's or commuter's or migratory labourer's or Dalits' on other days at random, leading to unkind comments like, if he is indeed a soldier, he must be a soldier of the parachute regiment. He is also right in principle on this one. The way this law was being pushed through the ordinance route was immoral, unconstitutional and unsustainable. So it was necessary to cut your losses. But was this the right way of doing so?
This bill even ordinance has been under discussion at several cabinet and party and multi-party forums, and in Parliament, for quite some time now. Rahul had every opportunity through these months to intervene forcefully. It is difficult to imagine how his "dissent" would not have prevailed. But even if he was resisted, or vetoed, he had every right to go out and upbraid "my government" in public. But the time to do that was not now. Not when the cabinet has cleared the ordinance, senior ministers and your personal loyalists are defending it in public and, most importantly, when the prime minister is overseas and set for two key mini-summits. And politically, to do this 48 hours before Narendra Modi's public meeting in Delhi? Was it meant to be some kind of belated birthday gift to your rival?
The die is now cast. And for once, Rahul has chosen to do so. So it is, in a manner of speaking, progress. He should now follow this by taking over responsibility. He should either move into the prime minister's chair for the remaining months of this term, or get this government dissolved and advance general elections to November, along with the five state assemblies. A leader at his level cannot do a hit-and-run. And in any case, the rules of engagement have now been redefined. If his coalition were to win, and another lesser mortal appointed prime minister, he and the rest of us citizens will also have to be mindful of the precedent already set: that he and his cabinet could be similarly flogged in public by a higher power within the party, the Constitution notwithstanding. India cannot survive another term under a Prime Minister Lite. So it is imperative that Rahul now unequivocally declare himself as the party's candidate for prime minister in the next election, and give the voters a clear choice. Or, who knows, this will end up as another likely Congress story, with one side expressing qualified regrets and the other, unqualified gratitude, so status quo prevails, even if the status of each is greatly diminished.
National Interest: His Moral Highness - Indian Express
Shekhar Gupta
After hitting the prime minister's office, Rahul cannot afford to run.
What does September 27, 2013 have in common with January 20, 1987? And why should we call it a most stunning example of history repeating itself? Except, while it triggered the decline of the father in spite of his unprecedented majority, it has pretty much finished whatever remained of the prestige and authority of what the son described as "my government" in this afternoon's remarkable political turning point, designed for televised flourish.
Rahul Gandhi, in short, had discovered his A.P. Venkateswaran moment. That pre-internet, pre-news TV moment needs some recalling for a nation so innocent, nearly half a billion of its people are younger than Google. At a press conference at Vigyan Bhawan, a Pakistani journalist said to Rajiv Gandhi that there was some contradiction in his statement and his foreign secretary's (Venkateswaran) about when he was likely to visit Islamabad. Rajiv Gandhi said, quite nonchalantly in fact, "Soon, you will be talking to a new foreign secretary." Venkat, widely respected and utterly a proper establishment man, was taken by surprise. Unwilling to take that public humiliation, he resigned the same afternoon. He did this even though he was merely 56, had been in the top job for just about nine months, and had plenty of service left.
This Friday afternoon's drama played out at the Press Club of India, just about a kilometre up the same Lutyen's avenue, in pretty much the same manner. The only difference being, Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had fired his foreign secretary, which he had every right to do, particularly when there were differences between them. This was a firing several ranks downwards and there was no likelihood of the then External Affairs Minister N.D. Tiwari (he of the more recent sex tapes and paternity test fame) or his MoS, K. Natwar Singh, complaining that they had been passed over in the decision. The only questionable thing was that he did this in public, at a press conference and, not to miss the foreign hand, in answer to a Pakistani journalist.
Rahul Gandhi, as the party's vice president, has delivered a similar blow (we are not calling it a sacking as yet as we do not know what next week has in store) several ranks upwards, at least in the constitutional scheme of things, to his own party's prime minister. It is up to the prime minister now to decide whether he wants to close this loop of history by following Venkat's brave example. Or, stoop to carry on as a "loyal soldier", thereby furthering the sycophantic tradition of his party.
His admirers would wish that he chose the former. Even if, given where he is right now in Washington, meeting Obama on Friday and Nawaz Sharif on Sunday he is denied the freedom that Venkat had of exiting the same afternoon, he should do so immediately on his return. It would be heartbreaking for all those who admire him for his dignity, integrity and intellect whatever the criticism of his lack of articulation or decisiveness if he chose to simply carry on. He is not even a Gowda, or Gujral or Chandra Shekhar (although, having known him well, I doubt if the last named would have put up with this). What is more important, if he carries on, he would not merely demean himself personally, but also destroy whatever respect and authority still survives with the office of the prime minister. The prime minister's oath of office also has an implicit responsibility to protect the preeminent decision-making authority and dignity of that office. And it is so difficult to see how Manmohan Singh would be persuaded to go down in history as somebody who so damaged it.
He also knows better than all of us that what happened now was no isolated incident. This process of pitting his government against the party, of undermining him and his office, began just as UPA 2 was sworn in. His first foreign policy initiative, the Sharm el-Sheikh joint statement with his Pakistani counterpart, was vetoed in public by his own party. He resiled in his first public humiliation by his own party (filling in quite nicely the role the Left played in UPA 1). Several party "loyalists" in his cabinet took the cue immediately, and blocked projects and decisions in areas ranging from environment, agricultural research, mining, tribal affairs, industry and so on, ruining his stellar record on economic reform and growth. All this led to the current economic and monetary crisis, while the man supposedly in charge, and the one Angela Merkel often describes as the only leader who really understands the global economic crisis, watched helplessly from the sidelines. It's time now he said to all of them, enough. You win. Find yourselves another prime minister, or advance the polls.
And what about Rahul Gandhi? The best thing is that he has finally spoken out, taken a stand on something. So far, he has promised to be tribal ka sipahi on one day, and kisan's or commuter's or migratory labourer's or Dalits' on other days at random, leading to unkind comments like, if he is indeed a soldier, he must be a soldier of the parachute regiment. He is also right in principle on this one. The way this law was being pushed through the ordinance route was immoral, unconstitutional and unsustainable. So it was necessary to cut your losses. But was this the right way of doing so?
This bill even ordinance has been under discussion at several cabinet and party and multi-party forums, and in Parliament, for quite some time now. Rahul had every opportunity through these months to intervene forcefully. It is difficult to imagine how his "dissent" would not have prevailed. But even if he was resisted, or vetoed, he had every right to go out and upbraid "my government" in public. But the time to do that was not now. Not when the cabinet has cleared the ordinance, senior ministers and your personal loyalists are defending it in public and, most importantly, when the prime minister is overseas and set for two key mini-summits. And politically, to do this 48 hours before Narendra Modi's public meeting in Delhi? Was it meant to be some kind of belated birthday gift to your rival?
The die is now cast. And for once, Rahul has chosen to do so. So it is, in a manner of speaking, progress. He should now follow this by taking over responsibility. He should either move into the prime minister's chair for the remaining months of this term, or get this government dissolved and advance general elections to November, along with the five state assemblies. A leader at his level cannot do a hit-and-run. And in any case, the rules of engagement have now been redefined. If his coalition were to win, and another lesser mortal appointed prime minister, he and the rest of us citizens will also have to be mindful of the precedent already set: that he and his cabinet could be similarly flogged in public by a higher power within the party, the Constitution notwithstanding. India cannot survive another term under a Prime Minister Lite. So it is imperative that Rahul now unequivocally declare himself as the party's candidate for prime minister in the next election, and give the voters a clear choice. Or, who knows, this will end up as another likely Congress story, with one side expressing qualified regrets and the other, unqualified gratitude, so status quo prevails, even if the status of each is greatly diminished.
National Interest: His Moral Highness - Indian Express
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Are you trying to start a fight ? if you came here for a fight then i will leave you to your opinions , is it impossible to have a proper debate with anyone on this forum ? its allways comes to brownie points..
so am i crazy, is Tsherring crazy ? what is the point of calling us crazy ?
read your opinions below and tell me is that criticism or some lame attempt to score brownie points..
where did i disrespect anyone else's opinion...please quote my post...besides you are the one who brought Modi into this entire debate..Calling Modi supporters crazy and laughing at them when they justify their support for Modi isn't the brightest example of respecting others opinion.. Practice what you preach
I openly challenge you to quote any Modi supporter who claimed Modi is supreme and can do no wrong...even if you do get one or two they are in their minority... Making a false claim to somehow justify your opinion is also wrong ...
Point being what ? that we are as crazy as the people who support congress...i think not . I dno not consider congress supporters crazy , but till now i have not been given a proper reason as to why i should ever vote for congress by congress supporters on this forum...
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