PNS Azmat Class - Fast Attack Missile Craft | Updates & Discussions.

[Mr.Hunt]

What about Type-54A arrival on lease....?

The youngest of tariq class frigates is 32 years old & oldest is 35 years. Does PN have any REPLACEMENT plans for 6 TARIQ class frigates ?

 

[IceCold]

The youngest of tariq class frigates is 32 years old & oldest is 35 years. Does PN have any REPLACEMENT plans for 6 TARIQ class frigates ?

With the current economy no i don't think PN can look for any replacements for its existing fleet.

 

[itaskol]

With the current economy no i don't think PN can look for any replacements for its existing fleet.

Pakistan should build at least one SSBN.
we tried to build nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarinein the 1970s, no matter we were super poor at that time.
in my opinion， missile boat like azmat should not be a priority project. and Azmat is not really cheap.
SSBN should be Top priority for pakistani Navy. one SSBN is powerful than 100 Missile boats.

 

[Mr.Hunt]

Pakistan should build at least one SSBN.
we tried to build nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarinein the 1970s, no matter we were super poor at that time.
in my opinion， missile boat like azmat should not be a priority project. and Azmat is not really cheap.
SSBN should be Top priority for pakistani Navy. one SSBN is powerful than 100 Missile boats.

When PN cannot afford the replacement of 32 - 35 year old frigates, you can even talk of a new acquisition. The Cost of SSBN is around 1 Billion $ + High operational cost. Plus add 2-3 Billion $ as R&D cost .....

 

[Penguin]

With the current economy no i don't think PN can look for any replacements for its existing fleet.

The Type 22 Broadsword class was a class of frigate built for the British Royal Navy. Fourteen of the class were built in total, with production divided into three batches. Seven ships of the earlier batches have been sold to Brazil, Romania and Chile where they are still in active service. Of the decommissioned vessels, four are awaiting disposal, two have been sunk as targets, and the rest were sold for scrap.

Batch 3
The last four ships of the class (the Batch III ships Cornwall, Cumberland, Campbeltown and Chatham) were of a greatly improved design. Reflecting lessons learned in the Falklands, the weapons fit was changed, becoming more optimised to a general warfare role. The ships were fitted with the 4.5" (114m) gun, primarily for NGS (Naval Gunfire Support for land forces). Exocet was replaced by the superior Harpoon with eight GWS 60 missile launchers fitted laterally abaft the bridge, and each ship would carry a Goalkeeper CIWS (Close-In Weapon System).

Batch 3
F99 Cornwall 23 April 1988 Decommissioned 30 June 2011 Awaiting disposal
F85 Cumberland 10 June 1989 Decommissioned 23 June 2011 Awaiting disposal
F86 Campbeltown 27 May 1989 Decommissioned April 2011 Awaiting disposal
F87 Chatham 4 May 1990 Decommissioned 9 February 2011 Awaiting disposal

Type 22 frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two Batch 2 Type 22s, HMS London and HMS Coventry, were sailed to Constanta, Romania's Black Sea naval base, last year, after officials in the Ministry of Defence had done a deal with BAe. Britain's biggest arms company was paid £116m by Romania to refurbish them.

We paid three times too much for UK frigates, Romania says | UK news | The Guardian

The batch 2 Type 22 frigate HMS Sheffield was sold to Chile in 2003 for £27million. The sale price of a ship is set according to its age, how much refurbishment it needs, the value of the materials it is made of and equipment on board.

Read more: Labour sinks Navy: Warships sold off to foreign powers in deals worth £580m | Mail Online

Pakistan had been negotiating with China for the supply of 4 frigates since the late 1990s. The contract was signed on 4 April 2006 with the conclusion of negotiations for financing and technology transfer. The first ship was delivered in 30 July 2009, second 23 January 2010 and third one at 15 December 2010. The first three were being built at the Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai, China, while the last is under construction in Pakistan by Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) to be completed in 2013. The $750 million contract also includes 4-6 Harbin Z-9EC anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopters as well as ammunition for the frigates.

F-22P Zulfiquar class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In September 2008 the US Congress approved the transfer of the frigate to Pakistan with a delivery date of August 2010. Citing the Foreign Assistance Act and the Arms Export Control Act, Pakistan is considered a "major non-NATO ally", able to receive older unneeded US military equipment. Additionally, the 32-year old frigate will be given a US$65 million refurbishment including anti-submarine capability paid for with foreign military aid provided by the U.S. to friendly countries.

PNS Alamgir will receive a mostly mechanical overhaul, which has to be conducted in the US as part of the deal. All four diesels were removed and overhauled, along with air conditioning units and refrigeration. Fuel oil tanks and voids were cleaned, inspected, repaired and painted. All shafting was removed and renovated. The controllable pitch propeller system was overhauled. Sea valves were removed and either repaired or replaced, and almost every pump was opened and inspected and overhauled as needed. Ventilators and fans went through a similar process of inspection and overhaul. Breakers, NR3 switchboard, windlass, and boat davit all got inspections and overhauls. Completely new equipment includes a new navigation suite and bridge, the composite dome over the fully overhauled AN/SQS-56 sonar, and a VIP cabin.

USS McInerney (FFG-8) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Type 22-2 2003 acquisition costs £27-58m per ship (4 ships = £108-232 million)

NB. the Type 22 batch 2 transfers to Rumania and Chile were cold transfers (deactivated ships reactivated), and the ships for Rumania had various existing weapons and sensor systems removed (including Sea Wolf) and new ones installed (including 76mm Oto Melara Compact naval gun). This is included in quoted price. The Chileans modified their Type 22-2 at a domestic yard, removing Sea Wolf and refitting Barak and Harpoon. This is not included in quoted price.

Type 22-3 Actual 2010-2010 running cost £16-32 million per ship (4 ships = £64-128 million annually).

For $ multiply by 1.56 ($42-$90m per ship, $25-50m annually)
For € multiply by 1.29 (€35-€75m per ship, €21-42m annually)

For comparison, the price of a single new F22P, with heli, ammo, tot was $175m each, and a hot transferrerd refurbished FFG7 Perry class (with support and training) was $65m.

 

[Penguin]

Nice collection of Azmat pics here: PNS Azmat pix

 

[TaimiKhan]

Nice collection of Azmat pics here: PNS Azmat pix

Won't those engine exhausts become a problem in rough waters ?? Water can go inside of these exhausts and cause problem for the engines ??

Isn't it a potential problem ??

 

[Arsalan]

Won't those engine exhausts become a problem in rough waters ?? Water can go inside of these exhausts and cause problem for the engines ??

Isn't it a potential problem ??

It surely will be. Perhaps they are using some one way valves or engine Exhaust Risers!
they must surely be as this is a common problem in all ship having in-board engines and low exhausts instead of he chimney style exhausts that increase RCS and heat signature, and to such common problems there are common solutions available.

All marine inboard engines have exhaust risers. The exhaust riser has two functions: (1) to keep water from backing up into the engine through the exhaust piping and, (2) it serves as the device that introduces cooling water into the exhaust exit piping system.
Exhaust Risers - Marine Engines : Boats and Yachts Maintenance, Repairs and Troubleshooting :

regards!

 

[monitor]

Here is a another close up of that inlet

Its making the ship dirty

 

[Bossman]

When PN cannot afford the replacement of 32 - 35 year old frigates, you can even talk of a new acquisition. The Cost of SSBN is around 1 Billion $ + High operational cost. Plus add 2-3 Billion $ as R&D cost .....

In 1947 your grand daddy and then in the 70s your daddy said something similar, but we are still here, we are nuclear power and we are a bigger pain in the **** not only you but also for the only super power in the world and in past we we did take on another super and survived but the super power did not. So stop thinking like a baniya and more like soldier. There are ways to fight, survive and even win wars without dollars and cents.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

In 1947 your grand daddy and then in the 70s your daddy said something similar, but we are still here, we are nuclear power and we are a bigger pain in the **** not only you but also for the only super power in the world and in past we we did take on another super and survived but the super power did not. So stop thinking like a baniya and more like soldier. There are ways to fight, survive and even win wars without dollars and cents.

Lets get realistic shall we. Pakistan's nuclear ambition was its TOP military priority where as SSBN is not and hell even the Navy is not top priority for Pak so keeping state of Pak economy we can not even dream of SSBN for next 10 15 years.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Lets get realistic shall we. Pakistan's nuclear ambition was its TOP military priority where as SSBN is not and hell even the Navy is not top priority for Pak so keeping state of Pak economy we can not even dream of SSBN for next 10 15 years.

We are working on our strategic naval weapons..

 

[Bossman]

Lets get realistic shall we. Pakistan's nuclear ambition was its TOP military priority where as SSBN is not and hell even the Navy is not top priority for Pak so keeping state of Pak economy we can not even dream of SSBN for next 10 15 years.

Second strike is a priority and it will come in phases first nuclear tipped SLCM from conventional submarine followed by SSBN. Reactor and vertical launch has been tested but nobody said that SSBN is around the corner but there may be surprises like a lot of other things in past from nukes to shaheen SRBMs, to Babur to Raad to Nasr. On the Naval side you will start seeing surprises when the 7000 tonne Ship Lift and Transfer System becomes operational at KSEW in couple of years, which BTW is nearly billion dollar project.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Second strike is a priority and it will come in phases first nuclear tipped SLCM from conventional submarine followed by SSBN. Reactor and vertical launch has been tested but nobody said that SSBN is around the corner but there may be surprises like a lot of other things in past from nukes to shaheen SRBMs, to Babur to Raad to Nasr. On the Naval side you will start seeing surprises when the 7000 tonne Ship Lift and Transfer System becomes operational at KSEW in couple of years, which BTW is nearly billion dollar project.

I will be dam p1ssed to see SSBN in PN inventory because it is SUPER expensive and our awam are dying of hunger! CM BM etc are actually very economical to operate then SSBN so you can not use that analogy for your argument.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

As one of the posters has already stated Azmat will not meet Mig29K because by then your aircraft carrier would have already met a Pakistan submarine.

Then it will ended in the same fate of the last sub which tried to sink indian AC in 71