Similarly, only a MORON will compare a recently inducted ship with an 25 year old one.
Not sure what you are referring to....
F22P is recently commissioned, new design but clearly based on Type 053H3 Jiangwei1
PNS Zulfiquar 251 laid down 12 October 2006 launched 5 April 2008 commissioned 19 September 2009
Sword / F-22P Class Frigates - Naval Technology
11356 is recently commissioned, new design but clearly based on Krivak III (crossbred with P17 features).
INS Talwar (F40) Launched May 2000 Commissioned 18 June 2003
Talwar Class Frigate - Naval Technology
And its funny how you always twist the facts to hide the inferiority of pakistani ships.
Fm90 is the only air defence system on F22p, where as Talwar class also has SA-N-12 missile & SA-16 portable SAMs. And how can you say that not much of a difference when attacked by jets???? you don't find a difference between 15 km and 50 km range??
F22p has no SAMs for CIWS role, while Talwar class has SA-19 clusters, but you ate up that in your quest to collect thanks.
Besides weapons, why didn't you compare other features of these frigates, because you know yourself that Talwar class will beat F22p hands down on every single specific.
Next time if you decide to call someone Moron, please don't be so pathetic, and lets discuss about Azmat now
Handheld or manually trained/elevated Manpads do not count in this equation as they are comparatively useless (not centrally directed). And can be taken on board by either party with equal ease (QW-series ....?)
What did I twist? I gave my assessment. You're free to give yours....
Meanwhile, I think you failed to notice that batch 2 11356s don't carry Kashtan anymore, just AK630. Which implies IN isn't all that happy with that system and sees AK630 (without Barak, which is normally paired to AK630 in other new IN ships) as good enough.
In terms of gunnery, 2x2 30mm gatlings Batch 1 11356 or 2x1 30mm gatling in batch 2 versus 2 single 30mm gatlings.... is very similar. Higher rof also means greater ammo expenditure, so there are some tradeoffs there. Note that AK 630s where reverted to and not e.g. Palma/Palash twin gatling
15km or 50km doesn't make a whole lot of difference when the opponent comes in with jets carrying 150-200km AShM (aircraft remain outside of missile range in both cases)
As for antishipmissile defence, FM90 is longer range than earlier HQ7 and:
The main air defence weapon is an 8-cell HongQi-7 (French Thales Crotale copy) short-range SAM system, designed to engage aircraft in all-weather, day/night conditions at a maximum range of 8~12km with line-of-sight guidance. The missile also has limited capability to intercept sea-skimming anti-ship missiles at a much closer range (4~6km).
Type 053H3 (Jiangwei-II Class) Missile Frigate - SinoDefence.com
By comparison, Shtil 1:
The launchers can fire the 9M38 (NATO codename: SA-N-7 Gadfly) semi-active, radar-homing, medium-range air defence missile. The missile uses the ship’s Top Plate 3D circular scan radar for target tracking, and the Front Dome (three radar for each launcher, each radar with two guidance channels) indication radar for missile guidance. Up to three missiles can be aimed simultaneously. The range is up to 25km against aircraft and 15km against anti-ship cruise missile.
So really it is not 15km versus 50km but 6km versus 15km as far as anti-missile mode is concerned.
Still, 11356 is said to carry 9m317 and this has better missile defence capability.
The launchers can fire the 9M317 (other sources suggested 9M38M2) Shtil / SA-N-12 Grizzly semi-active radar-homing, medium-range air defence missile, with 48 missiles carried onboard. The missile’s maximum range is 38km against aircraft and 20km against anti-ship cruise missile.
Type 052B (Luyang-I Class) Missile Destroyer - SinoDefence.com
... although I think that range depend on where (how high up) your radars are.
More missile info here:
Buk missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You yourself started out discussing the air defence capability (not the other capabilities)
All can make up their own mind about other weapons:
Club/Brahmos versus C802: Brahmos is fast but effectivenees also depends on seekers/guidance etc, also which Club version is carried: with supersonic end stage and short range or longer range but slower air breather?
ASW: heavyweight torps + RBU + heli versus (russian sonar) light weight torps + rbu + heli (NB F22P is said to have western sonar installed.)
IMHO not a WORLD of difference.