Plan to restore Pakistan - Lets have suggestions to restore our pride

[Fracker]

As most of you said, that most of the people just sit, chat about how the affairs are going, how bad our leaders are, but none come out.

how they can? when they know since he is against system, so system wont let him to come up. And you yourself also accepted that pakistan need revolution. & Revolution is always against system rather then personality.

Yet we breath ?
we survive ....

Is this the definition of Life?

I encourage you to dream of the power and strength we will have when we are revived.

not until, we come out of our dream and face the reality, we need to show our power.. rather then just dream of..
I am pretty good in video games, where i always dream of the power.

Some of you might wonder what crazy talk i said, or think, but i have faith in Allah, and after looking at Pakistan and its history, i do believe Pakistan was made for a reason, it has some purpose in the future to come, hope so & pray we succeed as Muslims & as a nation.

And after looking at pakistan's history i more faith on the hadith which i read long long time back, where it is said, "if the nation start disobeying Allah's order, then Allah put a leader on them, who start doing injustice to them". Yes there is a reason behind why this country is formed at a location which were pointed by Prophet muhammad (SAWW) that a army will come from this area to help the imam mehdi.

But at the moment i think "next will be the worst", since we are not going to leave disobeying Allah in near future...

 

[TruthSeeker]

Hi, guys. Please forgive my ignorance of some basic information about how governments operate in Pakistan. I am thinking that one of the "keys" to advancing Pakistan lies in advancing the public education system for students from ages 5 to 25. Specifically, I am wondering how the public education system is financed. Here in the US, public schools for ages 5 to 18 are primarily the responsibility of very local governments, and for ages 18-25 the responsibility of State governments. The US federal government helps only with special programs, such as for, disabled students and for doing graduate level Research. consequently the taxes at the local and State levels are very important. At the local level most taxes for schools are collected from property owners (real estate taxes) and from consumer sales (sales taxes). At the State level taxes are collected from sales taxes and from income taxes. The use of multiple taxing mechanisms allows the collection of money from people who are wealthy (real estate taxes), from all people broadly (sales taxes), and from people who earn a lot of money each year (income taxes). By balancing how much money is collected from each mechanism, education is supported as fairly as possible without killing the economy. Does Pakistan have a broad and fair system of taxation to support its schools? If not that is a good place to start.

 

[muse]

TS (terribly Sexy?)


Govt, Private and mostly from Gulf states for Madaress:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/editorial_detail.asp?id=189051


My 2 pisas:

1. Find the funds to educate all Pakistani children (All) in a single system, none of this English, Urdu and Madaress following different curriculum

2. People, men and women who work to create lives of dignity are proud men and women -- put Pakistanis to work, forget ideology, just put them to work.

3. Reorient the state and nation into a working and trading country.

Some may say these are terrible times, and they may be right, but these are also a very good time for Pakistan, because it has allowed Pakistanis to deal with questions and subjects they have preferred to avoid -- well, they can't be avoided anymore and these terrible times can be turned in a opportunity to soberly, resolutely deal with problems one by one.

 

[Sinnerman108]

About Education and how governments work.
TS
In Pakistan two standards of education exist, the public education system funded by the provincial and the federal government and then there is the private education system which is mostly based on british and some times american text and syllabus.
As you can imagine there is a world of difference between the two and frankly the public system is not even worth attending comparatively speaking that is.

Now the reason why it is like that, has every thing to do with how the government works i.e
1. The frustratingly complex and useless processes (some of which are 100 + years old)
2. Lack of direction and sponsership from the top
3. Lack of management skills and accountability
4. Lack of any self improvement and self corrective actions

Now all of this constitutes the civil service or bureaucracy, which is responsible to run the country in the first place.

Now unless we re-write the civil bureaucracy rules of business any effort will be futile.

That is what we eventually are planning to do.

 

[ejaz007]

The simplest answer is to improve the education system and ensure all children get education. Let democracy pervail for atleast 20 years without any break.

Pakistan will make progress.

 

[pak-marine]

Hi, guys. Please forgive my ignorance of some basic information about how governments operate in Pakistan. I am thinking that one of the "keys" to advancing Pakistan lies in advancing the public education system for students from ages 5 to 25. Specifically, I am wondering how the public education system is financed. Here in the US, public schools for ages 5 to 18 are primarily the responsibility of very local governments, and for ages 18-25 the responsibility of State governments. The US federal government helps only with special programs, such as for, disabled students and for doing graduate level Research.

well we have public schools they are called govt or "Piela school' "piela" means yellow , a lot of them in al areas its enough to cover the local population who cannot afford high tution fee but systimatically their standard is kept so poor that if you want to insult some body you can use this line 'taught in a Piela school. therefore no one wants to go their!!


consequently the taxes at the local and State levels are very important. At the local level most taxes for schools are collected from property owners (real estate taxes) and from consumer sales (sales taxes). At the State level taxes are collected from sales taxes and from income taxes. The use of multiple taxing mechanisms allows the collection of money from people who are wealthy (real estate taxes), from all people broadly (sales taxes), and from people who earn a lot of money each year (income taxes). By balancing how much money is collected from each mechanism, education is supported as fairly as possible without killing the economy. Does Pakistan have a broad and fair system of taxation to support its schools? If not that is a good place to start.

u got bad impression of Pak ! i guess its not your fault end of the day we all hear what private /public companies want us to hear !! any how thats beside the point we have al taxation system again the big BUT here is its criminalised. The tax man come and you just pay him a quarter of what is due and you are exemted.

 

[Sinnerman108]

But guys
can we have some suggestions as to how to relieve the situation ?
I do hope some of us would get pragmatic rather then just men of words?

 

[Fracker]

But guys
can we have some suggestions as to how to relieve the situation ?
I do hope some of us would get pragmatic rather then just men of words?

yeah i am... I am going to launch an political party which will consist upon "meant for the Job" persons. which will consists upon the people like experience with MBAs, Tech specialists, Dr.s, agriculture specialists, Religion experts, and some law experts (ofcourse) as well. with the agenda to change the system, and remove mess from the establishment.

But big BUT is who is going to support? will this system let me to come up? Or last will this system will allow me to remain un-corrupt?

Back to this post.. http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...suggestions-restore-our-pride.html#post430651

 

[Sinnerman108]

yeah i am... I am going to launch an political party which will consist upon "meant for the Job" persons. which will consists upon the people like experience with MBAs, Tech specialists, Dr.s, agriculture specialists, Religion experts, and some law experts (ofcourse) as well. with the agenda to change the system, and remove mess from the establishment.

But big BUT is who is going to support? will this system let me to come up? Or last will this system will allow me to remain un-corrupt?

Back to this post.. http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...suggestions-restore-our-pride.html#post430651

Ok, Good start
Starting a political party, or ANY PARTY as in a group of people is a good way to start.
I will suggest that we can have users to contribute towards a blue print of what this group will look like and what this group will do, most importantly HOW will it do it ?

If we can have suggestions and some kind of agreement amongst members then we can get pragmatic.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Hmmm
Guys I had hoped for a better response then this.
Can every one who comes here, please leave some comment on how our Pakistan can be improved ?

Lets do it for our sake, for Pakistan's sake.

 

[Murshad]

Originally posted by salman108
Hopefully this will be a long thread,

We have read enough of global conspiracies and mega plans to
destabilize Pakistan.

Are you between 18 and 35 years of age ?
are you sick of the present system and shameful existence ?
are you worried about your future ?

Please read on and help me and every one else to make a mark.

I request the readers of this forum and this thread to please suggest
ways and means whereby we can restore the glory that belongs to
this great nation.

I am fully aware of the problems that face us, however I also believe
that the more we discuss problems the further we get from solutions.

I consult the senior citizens, I have full faith in the youth of Pakistan.

InshAllah We will save our country and we will walk proud.

So lets be positive have faith in Allah and start to offer solutions.

Pakistan Zindabad !

Good thought brother, very good may God give you strength to fulfill you plans.

Are you between 18 and 35 years of age ?
are you sick of the present system and shameful existence ?
are you worried about your future ?

Please read on and help me and every one else to make a mark.

Are you looking for something like “Dr Sohrab Aslam Khan”

Just curious..

 

[Sinnerman108]

All i am trying to do is to invoke the youngsters.
they have the strength and ideas
most of all they have dreams and aspiration....

If you all can gather up one more time, just like Iqbal envisioned
Tomorrow will be ours !
InshAllah

 

[Developereo]

Well, the way I see it, there are four groups which have to share responsibility for improving the country: government, media, industry, and individuals.

Government
Land reform
- confiscate land from the feudal landlords, distribute it to the farmers, and form cooperatives so the farmers can use economies of scale and shared management.
Legal reform
- more lawyers and judges
- more training, equipment and competitive salary for rank and file police
- national anti-terror hotline
- better tax collection
- independent systemwide anti-corruption bodies
- separate legal stream for crimes against women and children to fast-track these cases (maybe have specialized lawyers and judges)
Education reform
- free and compulsory education for everyone upto year 12
- absolutely no islamic studies in school. make sure kids understand that religion is a private matter
- strong emphasis on urdu, history and civics to build national unity
- high standards of english, science and math for all students
Government reform
- switch to American system of Congress: House representatives/district (proportional to population) + 4 Senators from each province (regardless of population). will help ensure Balochistan and Sarhad don't keep getting screwed.
- replace sardar system in Balochistan with something more democratic
Cultural reform
- more aggressive international marketing and promotion of Pakistani arts and culture
- mandatory one year of national youth service program -- the youth can be used as free labor to build infrastructure
- mandatory ongoing renewable certification of religious preachers to stem extremism


Media
- foster national unity by hosting academic, arts and sports competitions from local playoffs to province finalists and then to national finals. these should include fun events like Its a knockout: Jeux Sans Frontieres
- rotating drama series (in urdu) from each of the four provinces to promote national unity. we used to have these in the 70s
- more programs celebrating our ethnic and religous diversity
- quarterly televised town hall meetings with top local/province/federal elected officials
- quarterly televised town hall meetings with local/province/federal anti-corruption officials
- revive Pakistan film industry
- improve cultural ties with neighboring countries with quality films in urdu/hindi, punjabi, sindhi, pashtu and balochi


Industry
- pay taxes honestly
- more funding for community service programs, e.g. http://www.edhifoundation.com/
- more apprenticeship and internship programs
- sponsor some of the national competitions


Individuals
- pay taxes honestly
- join more civic organizations like scouts and jaycees
- organize grass roots campaigns to improve interfaith and inter-ethnic community relations
- more volunteer work

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Hi, guys. Please forgive my ignorance of some basic information about how governments operate in Pakistan. I am thinking that one of the "keys" to advancing Pakistan lies in advancing the public education system for students from ages 5 to 25. Specifically, I am wondering how the public education system is financed. Here in the US, public schools for ages 5 to 18 are primarily the responsibility of very local governments, and for ages 18-25 the responsibility of State governments. The US federal government helps only with special programs, such as for, disabled students and for doing graduate level Research. consequently the taxes at the local and State levels are very important. At the local level most taxes for schools are collected from property owners (real estate taxes) and from consumer sales (sales taxes). At the State level taxes are collected from sales taxes and from income taxes. The use of multiple taxing mechanisms allows the collection of money from people who are wealthy (real estate taxes), from all people broadly (sales taxes), and from people who earn a lot of money each year (income taxes). By balancing how much money is collected from each mechanism, education is supported as fairly as possible without killing the economy. Does Pakistan have a broad and fair system of taxation to support its schools? If not that is a good place to start.

Nah! I know about our usflag education system, and though the system back is deplorable but our usflag aint famous for making very bright and well versed pupils either

I suppose youv'e seen plenty of vids on youtube making fun of just that

Something more along the lines of Japan or Germany is the best solution

 

[TruthSeeker]

Nah! I know about our usflag education system,but our usflag aint famous for making very bright and well versed pupils either

Something more along the lines of Japan or Germany is the best solution

Off topic alert:

Well, I agree with you to some extent. BUT, it is not possible for Pakistan to have the ethnic homogeneity of Japan, AND I seriously doubt that the Muslim immigrants are well served in Germany. IMHO the primary problem in the USA is the strength of teacher's unions in controlling educational policy and stifling innovation and discipline, because of their lockstep alliances with political liberals. Pakistan would do well to avoid those pitfalls of the US educational system.