A plan to destroy Pakistan, we must have a counterplan

[Neelo]

IK was

IK is history

Please should move on

Not all of us can sell out mothers for a plate of biryani like you.

 

[ghazi52]

.,.,.,

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@ghazi52

Ghazi sb,

In 2018, the chain was on MNS's feet. These things keep changing.

Regards

 

[SaadH]

While the future of Pakistan is grim, I still find a good laugh at the thought that an entire country's economic future, it's social fabric, the cohesion between its ethnic groups and the chaos that would ensue if not preserved, everything is thrown aside just because the ego of one man.

And the country has been sacrificed for one man's ego, again and again. The most significant consequence was Bangladesh, but the 70,000 dead and irreparable economic damage done by WoT was another, and now this. I guess the same thing could be said of North Korea where one man's ego risked a nuclear war. Or another African leader's hold on power created the 100 trillion dollar bill.

There always must be checks & balances to power. Without this, chaos follows. Had the establishment been truly protecting Pakistan, a COAS would have never been able to sacrifice the country for his ego. There would have been internal mechanisms in place to ensure he would have been removed if found unfit.

Instead we now see the establishment is literally one man, the COAS. Had the establishment been more like the American or Russian establishment, one man would have never wielded as much power as the COAS. The COAS position is one that must disappear, it must never be allowed to exist again with this much power if the country is to have any future.

There will always be hardliners too stubborn to accept. The goal is to ensure the separatist hardliners remain a minority and the rest of the people are too fat from economic prosperity to ally with them.

AFAIK none of the Baloch received free housing. They feel their land is being stolen and given to developers and to an extent, they are right. Why not give them free housing? Impart vocational training on them? Building roads and airports in an impoverished region will not bring economic benefit to any of the people if they can't even use them.

Dead wrong about "one man", this is institutional thinking in the sepoy outfit.

You got rid of Bajwa the traitor and Asim Whisky turned out to be a bigger brainless fascist. They all seek approval from external sources, the whole lot starting from the time they become brigadiers.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan should be and needs to be destroyed at this point and time. The suffering needs to end.

 

[One_Nation]

Pakistan should be and needs to be destroyed at this point and time. The suffering needs to end.

There will be no PDF then. Where will you go to rant and let off steam?

 

[SaadH]

@Neelo

We don’t even converse in Urdu on this forum.

That was why Raza Rumi sahib was shot at (it was a warning and not meant to kill him). The establishment was OK as long as he was conveying his message in English: but once he switched to Urdu with a potential of educating and stirring large masses, he had to be asked to back off.

Regards

Raza Rumi the pimp supplying women to his amreeki handlers?

 

[indushek]

The irony is that the corrupt elites and ruling establishment need Pakistan to be one country. They need each other and -- more importantly -- the collective resources of Pakistan to sustain their antics. If they're left alone in smaller units, they'll die. If Pakistan falls, they'll fall too. Their goal is to maintain a mediocre state ridden with debts and severe socio-economic problems.

I just hope that the true changemaker doesn't think like Bengalis and opts for separatism. Rather, they should opt for conquest... If you can mobilize enough of the population and armed forces, then establish a parallel national gov't with full institutions and functional currency. Once established, then retake the rest of Pakistan under the new order while stripping out all of the old junk, be it people, institutions, etc.

I was watching Wajahat Khan's channel today, where he called up Raza Rumi for a talk this morning.

His point of discussion was, where are all the liberals and progressives of Pakistan gone post the 9th fiasco.

I see that many here feel Raza Rumi is a American Shill, but he made a interesting observation. He said that the parties that rejoiced crackdown on PTI, are now facing the same heat from the Establishment. That this is a old script in Pakistan, and instead of tagging together they basically are weakening themselves (Edit: ok now that I remember he didn't say explicitly about them coming together, but that's what I inferred perhaps. Politics sees strange bed fellows, like in our country a party like MIM from Hyderabad has been called B team of BJP!!! Who in the hell would have thought of that few years back, but MIM has been contesting wherever BJP has to face Congress and splitting the so called Secular/Muslim vote to benefit BJP ultimately).

Here you are basically saying the same thing, which curiously any political party (in any country would do) but not in Pakistan strangely. I mean post 9th all the parties on your side, should have already started some form discussions between them. Guess the Establishment has managed to keep them apart, or they don't feel like coming together even to share power.

I like that you said conquest and not some good of the nation, coz no political party ever works that way (they might spout rhetoric but actions always differ, as they have to survive first). Baffles me that none of the major politics in Pakistan, have learnt this basic survival game.

 

[Skimming]

his wife raped... By the Pakistan army

@El Sidd,

I am genuinely curious. Why is a Pathan posting all this?

 

[khansaheeb]

Dr Baqar Hasnain December 10, 2022


The Elite have a plan to destroy Pakistan. They’ve had it for decades. And it’s been working. We must have a counterplan — a plan to save our homeland — for our children and our future generations.

“All hope abandon, ye who enter here,” reads an inscription on the Gate of Hell in Dante’s Divine Comedy. For us, this may be the darkest hour in our nation’s history. Many of us have abandoned hope, but… what if the appointment of Gen Asim Munir as Pakistan’s new Army Chief is the silver lining that we had been searching for? What if this is the beginning of the end of dynastic and fascist politics and hybrid governments? What if this is the time to look beyond Zardari, Sharif and Khan? But how?

A) Unmask the Elites. But who are the Elites? According to Role of Elites in Pakistan, published in International Journal of Applied Economic Studies, the Elites in Pakistan include bureaucratic elites, military elites, religious elites, landlord elites, judicial elites, industrialist elites, dynastic elites, taxing elites (non-tax paying), and media elites.

B) Eliminate Elite Capture. Pakistan Institute of Development Economics describes Elite Capture as a process by which powerful elites skim national resources intended for the larger population, and define policies in a way that protect their own interest. In 2017-18 alone, eight major groups caused a loss of Rs2.7 trillion to the nation’s economy. Among them: banks (Rs196 billion), industry (Rs528 billion), military establishment (Rs257 billion), high net worth individuals (Rs368 billion) and feudal class (Rs370 billion). Perks and privileges the Elites enjoy include preferential access to land, capital, and services, lower taxation including exemptions and evasions, and favourable prices.

C) Pass Elections Reform. Let’s have a default election date. Let’s introduce a Fixed Term Parliament Act like the UK did in 2011. General Elections on a fixed date every five years. This will prevent the manipulation of election dates for political advantage. To restore political stability, neither President nor Prime Minister should have the power to dissolve Parliament. However, Parliament may be dissolved by a two-thirds vote or if a motion of no-confidence is passed. This may be extrapolated to include provincial assemblies as well.

D) Armed Forces and the Hybrid Government. To strengthen democracy, the Armed Forces must stay out of power politics. For this commitment to have an enduring impact, there should be no extensions for the Army Chief. Military officers should be forbidden by law from assuming civilian posts in the government (Gen Kiyani 2008).

E) Reintroduce Term Limits. No more than two terms for President and Prime Minister and members of the National Assembly and the Senate. This will prevent elected representatives from amassing too much power and clout. Pakistan has a bourgeoning population of talented youth who can bring new ideas and innovative solutions to our problems.

On my last visit to Islamabad, I saw Land Cruisers and Range Rovers on the road. A house in F-6 cost 25 to 75 crore rupees. All this in a country that ranks 147th out of 170 on Human Development Index. We can see the writing on the wall, can’t we? We must extricate ourselves from the chokehold of the deep state. We must raise our voice.

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell.

A plan to destroy Pakistan | The Express Tribune

We must have a counterplan — a plan to save our homeland — for our children and our future generations

tribune.com.pk

The military is the sole savior of Pakistan; had the corrupt individuals prevailed, the nation would have long ago been sold or subjected to invasion and brutality by India. A transparent intervention by the Pakistan Army in politics is necessary to keep corrupt politicians in check. I have long proposed a preventive measure against recurring martial laws and persistent strain on democracy, suggesting that the president of Pakistan should be either an ex-Chief of Army Staff (COAS) or an army-appointed leader. Their role would be to oversee and guide certain corrupt individuals in the National Assembly, ensuring their identification and appropriate actions against them.

Pakistan stands at a crucial juncture, with corrupts gaining power post-partition, highlighting the failure of the colonial-era "political system" to serve the people. Even efforts by Musharraf to establish grassroots democracy have been co-opted by corrupt individuals for their advantage. The ongoing looting of Pakistan, fueled by foreign sponsors, must cease, and the divisive politics that perpetuates it must come to an end. Unfortunately, Pakistan is being primed for civil unrest by paid foreign agents, assuming various disguises.

The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has drawn undue attention from India and its allies, resulting in covert attacks on Pakistan. The nation is under severe economic assault and faces brutal hybrid warfare on all fronts, with triggers and traps set for potential civil conflict and demise. While China's actions along the border alleviated Indian pressure on the Kashmir border, Pakistan failed to capitalize the opportunity.

It is imperative for the Pakistan Army to engage in constructive dialogues with all political parties. Together, they must devise a strategy to extricate the nation from the impending quagmire it is descending into—a suffocating IMF loan with debilitating conditions, failing civilian institutions, an uncompetitive industrial base, a polarized society, a crumbling democracy, and excessive dependence on foreign entities.

While the politicians fight like cats and dogs it is only the Pakistan army who have the means and ability to impose law and order.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

well written and mostly on spot. But apart from being a terse summary of state of affairs, not a new plan per se.
who did not know Pak leadership - political, military and religious were mostly lying to hoodwink gullible people ?
who outside Pakistan did not warn of disastrous consequences to Pakistan because of that?

Pakistani people become very knowledgeable of risks AFTER the risk materialized. But until they have been bitten they support the critter wholeheartedly. CPEC is the latest example.

 

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd,

I am genuinely curious. Why is a Pathan posting all this?

He is not

 

[Skimming]

He is not

 

[El Sidd]

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He ain't Pashtun

 

[Skimming]

@El Sidd,

And he is a Pathan. Check quote.

No I am Pathan, I don't. Hindus don't speak for us


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