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Photographs of beaten Israeli soldiers aboard Mavi Marmara Gaza Aid Flotilla

Leaving aside the larger question of what happens to the blockade, the release of these photographs by the Turkish media is a bit of an own goal. These photos clearly show people on the ship attacking Israeli soldiers and doing it while they were being photographed. It more or less confirms the Israeli version of events & confirms that the videos of the protesters attacking Israeli soldiers is accurate, something whose veracity was repeatedly questioned. It also brings into question the version that Israeli soldiers opened fire at the protesters without any provocation since the fact that people were actually taking photographs meant that they did not feel threatened enough by the Israelis at that point to take cover. The photographs also confirm that the primary intention of the protesters on this ship was to turn this into a media event.

Many here have argued the finer details of who is legally in the right. Whatever be the arguments on that score, the attacking of armed commandos by the protesters must rank high on the stupidity scale. If a ship was set upon by armed pirates (many have likened the Israelis to them) on the Somalian coast, the advice given to the crew would be not to resist and thereby endanger their lives. This advice is given when the pirates in question are small in number & poorly trained. Attacking armed commandos automatically implies that those aboard embraced that risk thereby assuming atleast partial responsibility for the consequences.

These photographs also do most damage to the cause of the protesters in the two countries that matter most. The United States & Israel itself. Public opinion within Israel which was heavily against the interception would most likely show considerable swing towards the Israeli government view of the incidents which argued that the Israeli commandos were forced to defend themselves. The same is likely to have been the effect in the U.S. which has faced similar charges in Iraq & Afghanistan. The opinions within predominantly muslim countries & Europe is likely to have no serious effect on the attitude of the Israeli government.

I agree, looking at the photos it seems that these idiots attacked armed commandos. These commandos does have arms so if they were taken by people having onions does not reflect well about the people IMO. There are rules to sort such issues. I feel the say way for any other soldier then for mine including the enemies. They do there job and are not really decision makers and attacking them proactively is not a bright idea.

Adding that once you attacked the, they had the right to retaliate. Sometimes people force a situation where other person look cruel. If you beat someone like this, do expect to be fired.
 
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after watching these pics I doubt those were peace activist on the ship.
 
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after watching these pics I doubt those were peace activist on the ship.

India is one of the few countries tht didnt condemn the israeli terrorism on a ship carrying people frm 44 nation with different religions, in international waters....... why?
coz little dady israhel throws a bone in shape of a few weapons deals.
Shame on the people who call them terrorists... these ships also had jewish people who survived hallocaust.
 
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After looking at these videos I doubt if Israel is treated unfairly, if you attack someone what do you expect. In this case it seems Israel is not the attacker but was provoked.
 
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India is one of the few countries tht didnt condemn the israeli terrorism on a ship carrying people frm 44 nation with different religions, in international waters....... why?
coz little dady israhel throws a bone in shape of a few weapons deals.
Shame on the people who call them terrorists... these ships also had jewish people who survived hallocaust.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/61053-india-slams-israeli-attack-gaza-aid-flotilla.html:nono::nono:
 
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For the first time since deadly raid on Gaza-bound Turkish vessel in 2010, two Navy commandoes wounded on deck of Mavi Marmara recount moments of horror, clash with terrorists

Shosh Mula
Published: 04.20.12

...Monday, May 31, 2010. 4 am. Despite Israel's warnings, six vessels make their way from Turkey towards the Gaza Strip. The organizers, headed by Islamist group IHH, claim that they are carrying "humanitarian aid" and that the ships are transporting "peace activists" from all over the world. Israel, determined to maintain the Gaza blockade, dispatches IDF choppers carrying Navy commandoes towards the flotilla. Operation "Winds of Sky 7" gets a green light.

At first it looked like a walk in the park: Navy commandoes easily took over five of the six vessels. However, the sixth ship – the Mavi Marmara – with 700 people onboard, is about to turn into a military and diplomatic nightmare. The first to reach the deck was the squad commander, who was immediately hurt and neutralized. A. was the second man down the rope. He is a 23-year-old resident of northern Israel, whose mother also served in the elite unit.

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IDF soldier hurt on Marmara (Photo: Reuters)

"At first I didn't understand what's happening," he said. "Just as I came down, five or six terrorists carrying crowbars, clubs, chairs and anything else they could fight with jumped at me. I sustained blows to my head and they also tried to choke me. While doing it, they also tried to lift me and throw me down to the lower deck."

"When I realized what was going on, I also realized that I was fighting for my life; it was either I overcome them, or they'll throw me into the sea," he said.

So what did you do?

I fought with my fists and started to push them away. When I came down to the deck, I only held a paintball gun…so in the initial stage I only fought with my hands. This is what we were taught to do when we have no weapons.

But you had a handgun.

It was attached to my calf. I tried to reach it, but this takes time.

What was going through your mind at that time?

You're fighting for your life. The struggle lasted some 30 seconds. They tried to throw me overboard, yet just when I managed to reach my handgun, I was hit with that bullet to the stomach."

Bleeding on the floor

Meanwhile, Y. also landed on the deck. "As I was sliding down the rope, I saw a group of people fighting. I had no choice, as I couldn't climb back up. So I kept sliding down and saw four or five terrorists waiting for me there, armed with clubs, metal pipes and chairs. I came down, and they immediate started to beat me up, focusing on my head. I was wearing a military helmet, but they got it off, shattered it and started to pulverize me with blows to the head. While doing it, they started pulling me towards the edge of the deck, in order to throw my overboard."

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Marmara returns to Turkey (Photo: AFP)

Seconds after landing on the Marmara's deck, his left arm was completely crushed and remained hanging from his shoulder. Y. managed to pull out his handgun with his other hand and fired at the legs of his assailants.

"At that moment, I spotted one of our soldiers on the other side of the deck, with two terrorists standing above him and beating him up; he was bleeding on the floor. So I fired at the two terrorists and brought them down."

How did you know who's a terrorist and who's an innocent civilian?

"There was no problem identifying them. The terrorists wore orange life vests, protective vests, and gas masks. All of them were equipped with cold arms. This is not what innocent peace activists look like."

By this time, A. also managed to pull out his handgun. "The moment the assailants saw that I was holding a gun and waving it, they got away. I then looked up and saw another terrorist with a handgun aiming at a member of my squad. At that moment I opened fire at him and finished him off. I went back and saw that the terrorists who were on top of me earlier were now fighting my comrades. I opened fire at another one who jeopardized another soldier and took him down."

Meanwhile, fighting continued inside the vessel. A. suddenly remembered that he was hit by a bullet and was losing blood. "After two or three minutes, when I saw that things were calming down, I went to the paramedic and told him I was hit by a live bullet…to this day I joke with him about the fact he didn't give me morphine, because he didn't think I was hurting. In fact, I was suffering great pain. It really hurt."

While A. was neutralized, Y. decided to continue fighting inside the vessel, despite his shattered arm. "I attached my arm to the vest with a belt, as simple as that, and continued to fight. At the moment, this was the last thing that bothered me…there were no feelings at that moment, no pain."

"I saw that our second force, which arrived on the chopper behind us, was advancing towards the bridge, and I joined them. Only after it all ended, maybe 40 or 50 minutes later, I took the time to treat myself. Only after the fighting ended I told the paramedic: 'Listen, my arm is broken.'"

'I don't want to be a soldier'

The clash on the Marmara lasted for less than an hour, but ended with grave results: Some 20 passengers were hurt, including nine fatalities. According to the Turkel Commission, which looked into the incident, all of them were "activists belonging to the IHH organization, armed with weapons that can cause death and intending to kill or gravely harm the soldiers."

Meanwhile, 10 Navy commandoes were also wounded, including three who were seriously hurt: The squad commander, A., and Y.

"Given what went on there, we came out of it with a minimal injuries," says A. "Every soldier who took part in this incident gave his whole. You have to understand: Our Navy unit is family. This explains the fact I've been serving in the IDF for five years now and don't want to be discharged."

So why don't you pursue a military career?

"I don't want to. I want to be a farmer or a machine engineer."

Will you be traveling to Turkey anytime soon?

"No," said both of them. "Most certainly not."

Yossi Yehoshua contributed to the story. Originally published by Yedioth Ahronoth. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4218728,00.html h/t: EoZ
 
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they were pirates. What right they have to hijack a forign ship in international waters???????????//

they got beaten by people on ship in self defense they killed people in ship in comitting a robbery/ kidnapping which is crime according to all laws of any land

exactly...thats what u ask for wen u hijack land and ships...so boohoo hoo
 
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India is one of the few countries tht didnt condemn the israeli terrorism on a ship carrying people frm 44 nation with different religions, in international waters....... why?
coz little dady israhel throws a bone in shape of a few weapons deals.
Shame on the people who call them terrorists... these ships also had jewish people who survived hallocaust.

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Read it if you can ....


And about
throws a bone in shape of a few weapons deals.
:rofl:
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You can call it shame
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