Turkey Almost Went to War With Israel

[500]

Where did you get that from?.. Is it about international waters ?..

Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality

In order to attack ship there is need two conditions:

1) If there are reasonable grounds that ship has intention to breach the blockade.
2) Ship resists visit.

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994

98. Merchant vessels believed on reasonable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be captured. Merchant vessels which, after prior warning, clearly resist capture may be attacked.

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Breaching a military blockade is act of warfare. This is no kiddy toy.

Also why UN found you as a criminal...

On contrary, UN said that blockade was legal.

Here Russians capture Greenpeace ship:

It happened in neutral waters and they did not try to breach a military blockade. Look how these sane passengers behave.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Again...
5.1.2(3) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion.

They were not carrying contraband and they didn't breach a blockade...

 

[TurAr]

They miserably failed, since ship did not reached its destination in Gaza. Maybe u mean their wish to became shahids? Then yes, great success.

You don't seem to understand the fact that, had becoming shahid as you call it been their intention, at least a dozen of your soldiers wouldn't be alive today.

Again...

5.1.2(3) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion.

Then again...

The commission determined Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip to be legal, but stated that the "decision to board the vessels with such substantial force at a great distance from the blockade zone and with no final warning immediately prior to the boarding was excessive and unreasonable."

That is Palmer's way of saying the ship was in international waters.

An investigation by a panel of legal experts convened by the UN determined that the use of force by the Israeli military was disproportionate, that the Israeli military violated international law, and found clear evidence sufficient for war crimes prosecutions under the Fourth Geneva Convention - which defines humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone and prohibits total war.

The issue of possible violation of international law was discussed at the UN Security Council. The United States blocked criticism of Israel for violating international law, as proposed by Turkey, the Palestinians, and Arab nations

Those who take hostages usually get killed.

How could people with clubs and with less than 40 IQ as you call it, take your most elite commandos as hostage in the middle of the sea. Indeed they are bad, but they can't be that bad. You are being unfair

 

[500]

You don't seem to understand the fact that, had becoming shahid as you call it been their intention, at least a dozen of your soldiers wouldn't be alive today.

First of all at risk were only 4 soldiers who boarded first.

Then again...

The commission determined Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip to be legal, but stated that the "decision to board the vessels with such substantial force at a great distance from the blockade zone and with no final warning immediately prior to the boarding was excessive and unreasonable."

That is Palmer's way of saying the ship was in international waters.

Nope thats just Palmers way to make report "balanced". Because in all major points report supported Israel. They needed something to make it balanced so they came with that. Note he did NOT say range was illegal but only "excessive" and "unreasonable". However according to law its BS:

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994

96. The force maintaining the blockade may be stationed at a distance determined by military requirements.

As u can see distance is determined by military requirements and nothing else.

 

[Sam1980]

Holy shit. You guys are still arguing about that? You have been doing this since last year.

 

[Bratva]

The only country which can crush Israel without using nukes is USA. Put it in ur mind once and for all.


Commando can disarm one man, but when u are simultaneously attacked by 10 men with iron rods even batman cant do anything.


Everyone with IQ over 60 would realize that if Israel opened fire prior boarding
1) There would not be any crowd on the deck.
2) Israel would not send paintball armed soldiers after firing live ammunition.

Here u can see the a video prior boarding. There was no any live fire:

A dozen or so Attacked commandos, would you kindly tell us how many commandos boarded that ill fated ship? and they must be operating in group of at least two right? No one operate as a single entity,,, when a mob of 10 people attacked, why didn't they radioed for more backup or called in other commandos on ship?

Where were those so called "RUBBER BULLETS" that you so conveniently uses on palestinians?

 

[TurAr]

First of all at risk were only 4 soldiers who boarded first.

Whose weapons ended up at the hands of the passengers who then decided to throw them at sea instead of using them to kill. It is not something who wishes to be a martyr would do.

Nope thats just Palmers way to make report "balanced". Note he did NOT say range was illegal but only "excessive" and "unreasonable"

Note he did NOT say range was illegal but only "excessive" and "unreasonable". Thats just Palmers way to make report "balanced".

However according to law its BS:

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994

96. The force maintaining the blockade may be stationed at a distance determined by military requirements.

As u can see distance is determined by military requirements and nothing else.

The only thing i see is that we, as two random dudes from internet searching articles to prove each other wrong. What you should do is, if you are so sure that Israel acted within the international laws, you should gather those who thinks like you and protest your government for apologizing and paying compensation to the victims.

 

[-SINAN-]

Nope thats just Palmers way to make report "balanced". Because in all major points report supported Israel. They needed something to make it balanced so they came with that. Note he did NOT say range was illegal but only "excessive" and "unreasonable". However according to law its BS:
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994
96. The force maintaining the blockade may be stationed at a distance determined by military requirements.
As u can see distance is determined by military requirements and nothing else.

You can stick up your Palmer report to your asses.

There is something called "Orantılı Güç" in Turkish military... if children threw stone on you, you don't spray machine gun fire on them. You should have intervened by using tear gas and plastic bullets... ( I'm not mentioning international waters, rights of Israelis to board the ship etc..)

You killed our people will ill intention.

 

[500]

What you should do is, if you are so sure that Israel acted within the international laws, you should gather those who thinks like you and protest your government for apologizing and paying compensation to the victims.

I'm sure Israel was right and acted within the international laws (thats confirmed by Palmer). But in same time I support the apology and compensation. It does not harm our interests at all.

Its better to be smart than right.

 

[TurAr]

I'm sure Israel was right and acted within the international laws (thats confirmed by Palmer). But in same time I support the apology and compensation. It does not harm our interests at all.

Its better to be smart than right.

I too support the apology and compensation. Being both smart and right is even better.

Despite our different paths, we've ended up at the same point, which is good. Cheers.

 

[-SINAN-]

I too support the apology and compensation. Being both smart and right is even better.

Despite our different paths, we've ended up at the same point, which is good. Cheers.

Nope..

Türkler en olumsuz İsrail’e bakıyor | Yeni Mesaj Gazetesi

Things will never be the same again... those days are over.

 

[TurAr]

Nope..

Türkler en olumsuz İsrail’e bakıyor | Yeni Mesaj Gazetesi

Things will never be the same again... those days are over.

I didn't say that. Indeed things won't be the same again.

 

[anonymus]

Not really.

Neither Iran nor Israel have the "strategic reach" to each other..That is, they don't share a border and can't fight a 'direct war'...

Only U.S can defeat Iran, with due respect.

Neither do Turkey.

Poster here are confusing comparative superiority with ability to project power overseas.

 

[AUz]

Neither do Turkey.

Poster here are confusing comparative superiority with ability to project power overseas.

Turkish navy can do serious damage to smaller Israeli navy...All major Israeli cities are located on Mediterranean coastline...

So Turkey has more reached to Israel than say Iran or Pakistan would have.

 

[Falcon29]

Turkish navy can do serious damage to smaller Israeli navy...All major Israeli cities are located on Mediterranean coastline...

So Turkey has more reached to Israel than say Iran or Pakistan would have.

I don't know my friend, they tell us the Israeli Navy and Air Force will wipe out the Turkish Navy with ease if any such thing occurs. So we can't conclude that the Turkish Navy could do serious damage to the Israeli Navy.