Persia Nationalism and Azeri assimilation (Discuss it like a human being)

[Panjabi Tiger]

@ TheCommander

You are yourself a troll,

You begin a thread with many lies ( 40% persians in Iran ? Wtf? )
There is a huge difference between 40% and 61% !!!!

 

[IbnAlwaled]

Yes. The sword cuts both ways. Remember that. Do not throw stones while living in a glass house. If tomorrow Kurds uprise in Turkey, you will have no other choice but to let them have their independence. West will pressurize you to do that. You will not have a free hand. Iran on the other hand can battle any separatist movement with force and would not care about any western pressure. Be careful about what you wish for Iran since then others might wish the same for you. Turkey has more separatist problem than Iran will ever have. Turkey and even its name is based on an ethnicity. Iran on the other hand is a multi-ethnic and tolerant society.

LOL, isn't Iran a name for ethnicity too?

Actually supreme leader of Iran is an Azeri and he dreams of ruling over Azerbaijan as well. As for Turkey, some day Kurdish people will separate from it and the Turkey will get alot more smaller. As I always say, do not wish for others what you do not wish for yourself. Turkey is a goner:

There is more of a chance that south Azerbaijan joins the north than the north joining Iran. Simple reality.

 

[SOHEIL]

LOL, isn't Iran a name for ethnicity too?


There is more of a chance that south Azerbaijan joins the north than the north joining Iran. Simple reality.

How about SAUDI arabia !?

 

[TrMhMt]

You insist to not understand what we are discussing here, you troll! It seems your brain level is very very low. If you want to talk about the terrorist PKK and Kurds open another thread and we can discuss there. Posting the terrorist PKK propaganda does not work.
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Instead of trolling or charging everyone like a bull, answer the things in the post.

"The Azeris are not Turks, but Pharisees” thesis was imposed
Iran's state management primarily argues and imposes that Azeris Turks are a branch Persians. ... two theories were developed including Azeri Language and Theory of Aran...

Turkish elements are subjected to forced migration
... nearly two million Sunni Azeri live in the cities such as Hoy, Bender and Marageh. ... Playing with the demographics of the regions where Azerbaijanis live, it aims the dominant elements of Azeris being prevented.

Turkish - Azeri identity prohibited
All organs of state sovereignty being kept by Persia Nationalism quietly, on the one hand, nationalism are introduced as perverted ideology and Turkishness is not permitted. In Iran, almost "all races are equal, but the Persians more equal" principle is operated.

Azerbaijan is divided into states
Iran imposes mandatory dividing states and connects the provinces to the Shia and Persian dominated regions when her forced immigration policy against Azeris is failed or insufficient in the Azeris dominated regions. If necessary, Iran changes the names of the Azeri provinces.

In 1993, 35 000 km ² area was taken from the East Azerbaijan and connected to the Ardabil Province. The Governor of Qazvin was also taken away from the Zanjan Province in 1994.

The prisons are full of Azeri Turks
In April 1995, almost 1,000 university students of Azerbaijani Turks applied in order to get their rights were arrested as a result of their application. Students charged for terrorism and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Similarly, 20,000 Azeri Turks who wanted their cultural rights are still in prisons in Iran.

Recently, Azeri fans who were wearing Turkish flag were accused as "pan-Turkish ideas and separatism spreading". Instead of criticizing the Government, news sites targeted the fans and “the fans joined Al-Fajr - Tractor match with the separatist symbols” was headline

Azeris are left deprived of public duties (it is meant the majority of Azeris, do not give me the some apparently Azeri Persians as an example, give me the percentage)
... Azeri doctors who work in the hospitals refrain treating the Azeri Turks patients and they transfer their Azeri patients to Farsi or Arabic physicians, because a doctor to treat a case of the Azeri Turks is likely to undergo an investigation for being nationalistic.

Iran supports Armenia against the Azeris
It is so obvious, no need to discuss

Turkish channels are forbidden in Iran
Iran took apart and disabled the dish antenna in order to prevent hundreds of thousands of the heavily Turkish and Azeri broadcasts followed by the Azeri Turks.

Good job my friend...

 

[IbnAlwaled]

And this is the Arab Iranian Foreign minister from Ahwaz:

Where is your proof?

 

[SOHEIL]

LOL, isn't Iran a name for ethnicity too?


There is more of a chance that south Azerbaijan joins the north than the north joining Iran. Simple reality.

not surprised

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Thank you all for separating the nationality from race issues. Long live in peace Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Iraq and all the peaceful nations all around the world.

According to CIA Ethnic groups: Persian 61%, Azeri 16%, Kurd 10%, Lur 6%, Baloch 2%, Arab 2%, Turkmen and Turkic tribes 2%, other 1% (2008 est.) (sorry for the wrong number in the original post)

ٰUnfortunatly the problem exists and it is not only for Turk race. The ratio is not important for me. In my opinion, essential human rights should be provided even for that so called "2%" of Iranian Arabs or Balochs. They live under the flag of Iran, They are proud of being an Iranian, so they deserved it. Please let to not forget the fact that no one could chose his race. Belonging to a race is not a guilt but inability of living in peace with other races is a real shame.

What I really want is a strong and free Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Iraq & ... in a manner that all races or ideologies could live in total peace and liberty, united and powerful. At least I enjoy dreaming it. The fact is the one who is responsible for the union of Europe is the mature people of those countries. It is a serious question: Will we reach to that point of intelligence?

I talked too much. I ended the discussion with the fact that God created the world without borders! think about it.

 

[BaybarsHan]

iran is only fitne & fesad in the muslim word

 

[Deno]

I am compelled with your point of ethnic discrimination of Azeri Turkish people Inside Iran and I know that there are few news papers being published in Azeri Turkish and most of the modern day people are not able to read and write their native language and it is only remained in spoken form. I have many friends from Tabriz and ormeye but my point was that what is more sever the religious discrimination or ethnic discrimination and I still the think religious discrimination is more than ethnic. Finally I do aware of 2006 cartoon controversy and football match chanting and keep in mind the Azeri Turkish region of Iran is a growth engine of Iranian economy.

Ofcourse, after Islamic revolution religious discrimination became more severe and assimilation of other ethnicities became less frequent but it never ceased to exist. Thank god that majority of the Azerbaijan Turks are shia so they don't have to suffer from secretarian discrimination too.

What I fear is the rasing nationalism in Turks in Iran because of the this kind of actions,

''Saccad Radmehr, Feraz Zehtab, and Aydin Xacei were arrested at the entrance to the university in northern Iran. None have been heard from since their arrest. Aydin Xacei's brother Ramin told RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service that their home was searched immediately after the arrest. He said his brother was "kidnapped" by police who "did not show any document or order."

Ramin Xacei said he assumes his brother was arrested for his activity on the cultural and language rights of the Azeri minority in Iran. He says that anyone who demands the right to use their own language is "arrested and put in jail." He said his brother has had problems at the university because of his activities before, including being suspended for two semesters.

Saccad Radmehr had been denied the chance to read his thesis for months until a protest campaign by other students, his sister Ilahe said. She said she is now facing disciplinary action at the university herself because of this. She said the pressure on ethnic-Azeri students has increased since the May 2006 protests following a cartoon published by the official "Iran" newspaper depicting ethnic Azeris as cockroaches.''

Opression always leads to violence and violence breads hatred that lives for centuries... There is enough hatred in Middle East ''thanks'' to our (all nations of Middle East) history, we really don't need to contuniue past hatreds or create new ones for ourself. From Turkey's own experience I am not suprised about the actions of PFD and So}{eil but I am pretty sure that a great deal if not majoirty of Persians would support basic human rights for other ethnicities in Iran.

iran is only fitne & fesad in the muslim word

In a thread that we talk about ethnic opression and assimilation you are calling who Iran for doing evil... Please lets refrain ourselves from calling names and unnecessary insults.

 

[explorer9]

Ofcourse, after Islamic revolution religious discrimination became more severe and assimilation of other ethnicities became less frequent but it never ceased to exist. Thank god that majority of the Azerbaijan Turks are shia so they don't have to suffer from secretarian discrimination too.

What I fear is the rasing nationalism in Turks in Iran because of the this kind of actions,

''Saccad Radmehr, Feraz Zehtab, and Aydin Xacei were arrested at the entrance to the university in northern Iran. None have been heard from since their arrest. Aydin Xacei's brother Ramin told RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service that their home was searched immediately after the arrest. He said his brother was "kidnapped" by police who "did not show any document or order."

Ramin Xacei said he assumes his brother was arrested for his activity on the cultural and language rights of the Azeri minority in Iran. He says that anyone who demands the right to use their own language is "arrested and put in jail." He said his brother has had problems at the university because of his activities before, including being suspended for two semesters.

Saccad Radmehr had been denied the chance to read his thesis for months until a protest campaign by other students, his sister Ilahe said. She said she is now facing disciplinary action at the university herself because of this. She said the pressure on ethnic-Azeri students has increased since the May 2006 protests following a cartoon published by the official "Iran" newspaper depicting ethnic Azeris as cockroaches.''

Opression always leads to violence and violence breads hatred that lives for centuries... There is enough hatred in Middle East ''thanks'' to our (all nations of Middle East) history, we really don't need to contuniue past hatreds or create new ones for ourself. From Turkey's own experience I am not suprised about the actions of PFD and So}{eil but I am pretty sure that a great deal if not majoirty of Persians would support basic human rights for other ethnicities in Iran.



In a thread that we talk about ethnic opression and assimilation you are calling who Iran for doing evil... Please lets refrain ourselves from calling names and unnecessary insults.

In my view ethnic nationalism stops integration of society and it is as bad as tribalism but at the same time forced assimilation sow the seed of discontent and hatred against the rulers. In modern world the languages that survives are those who are directly related to business and economy (ultimately helps in employbility). Ethnic nationalism should not go beyond the language, food habits and dressing after that it becomes something else and being used by disruptive politicians for their vested interests.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

If you're against Persian nationalism, you should also be against Turkish nationalism. I always find it funny that nationalists hate nationalists from other countries, it doesn't make sense whatsoever. Either you are completely against nationalism, or you aren't. You can't have it both ways; "my nationalism is good, their nationalism is bad".

Or in other words; All nationalists are hypocrites...

 

[Deno]

If you're against Persian nationalism, you should also be against Turkish nationalism. I always find it funny that nationalists hate nationalists from other countries, it doesn't make sense whatsoever. Either you are completely against nationalism, or you aren't. You can't have it both ways; "my nationalism is good, their nationalism is bad".

Or in other words; All nationalists are hypocrites...

Noone here said Persian nationalism is bad and Turkish/Azerbaijan Turkish nationalism is good... Did you read the posts or are you trying to lover the standarts of discussion?

What we are saying here is forced assimilation of Azerbaijan Turks and Azerbaijan Turks not having basic human rights are wrong and we are trying to raise the awereness for it...

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Hypocrite as Longman dictionary defines: "someone who pretends to have certain beliefs or opinions that they do not really have"

To some extend, all of us are hypocrite. It is not our fault. A belief is rarely absolute, mostly relative idea. The nationality to the point supporting a country is acceptable. When it turns to attack races it turns to be negative.

Personally, I never categorize racism as nationalism, because racism never provide benefits for a country. Racism, providing human rights for races & nationality are three separated concepts.

By the way, Give us Azeri rights! We will track them politically, while the territorial integrity is our first priority. I dream a day in which Azeri could be selected as an elective language course as a part of elementary education in Iran.

 

[explorer9]

Hypocrite as Longman dictionary defines: "someone who pretends to have certain beliefs or opinions that they do not really have"

To some extend, all of us are hypocrite. It is not our fault. A belief is rarely absolute, mostly relative idea. The nationality to the point supporting a country is acceptable. When it turns to attack races it turns to be negative.

Personally, I never categorize racism as nationalism, because racism never provide benefits for a country. Racism, providing human rights for races & nationality are three separated concepts.

By the way, Give us Azeri rights! We will track them politically, while the territorial integrity is our first priority. I dream a day in which Azeri could be selected as an elective language course as a part of elementary education in Iran.

You have summarized the whole topic magnificently, in my view getting education in Azeri Language is near to impossible with the current regime

 

[RayKalm]

I will not give a direct opinion about this issue, but I believe that this thread shouldn't have been started.

Iran, Pakistan, Turkey all have seperatist movements and minorities (Pashtos, Baloch, Kurds, Azeri, etc), but each one of these countries have had these minorities in high positions. For example, Pakistan had a Pashto president and a Sindhi/Iranian Kurd (Benazir Bhutto, amazingly the first female leader of the Muslim world was a Sindhi of half Kurdish Iranian origins ) even though we Pashtos make up less than 15% of the population, Sindhis make up less than 13%, and Kurds/Iranians are almost non-existent. Similar stories can be told for Turkey, Iran and Azerbaijan.

So, basically, these 'seperatists' or 'nationalism' problems will persist on no matter what steps you take to take care of them.