There are lots of western licker and maybe CIA personnel in this forum. They want to confuse the public by spreading ambiguous negative statement to hit Pakistani's morale, You don't have to take it seriously.
They think they know something, actually they just pretend knowing something to make themselves look important. The truth is they ain't know sh&t.
Actually the communist father almost crashed the Nazi on their own to save Europe's arse in WW2. The western mother are so fraid of casualty and choosed to drop two nukes on Japan. The more you lick the west, the more you make yourself loo funny.
A man live with prejudice and always live in the past can't make anything right.
Did i hit a nerve here? too bad.
Did not China weapon sold to Pakistan kill any individual enemy since our relationship establishment in 1960s? Or it's not battle proven just because you didn't use it in war?
When I heard the word of western mother, I almost throw up.
Valuable post or just shit?
Flattering has its limit.
PDF has tendency to flatter each other between Proffesional and Consultant no matter it's right or wrong? Today I'm trying to break it.i gonna earn the respect China is due.
members can only flatter you?
Believe China, and we will give you miracle.
And Pakistan will make progress joining hands with China.
I'm here advocating that if Pakistani brother really wanna understand China, you shall learn Chinese. And search the phrase"军队数据网络化传输和共享“ on Baidu, you can find thousands article about it. What we share in PDF is just the tip of ice berg.
Kindly stop your propaganda, abusive style and threats. I am sure you are wrapped in Chinese flag but you have anything objective to say?
No Wang.
You are not a No one from China and You have been called out before as well.
I dont have anything against the Chinese arms industry and have a lot of admiration for its progress. However it has yet to do more to improve itself. This is what
@Bilal Khan 777 says and when people do chest thumping he merely points out facts. Agree to disagree and let us move on. Enough bandwidth has been wasted on bickering which should never have been started. Let people have diverse opinions and respect that.
Regards
Battle proven in what battle? There is difference between in-service and battle proven. Little Chinese boys and their big egos dont impress me. I am well aware fo the technology Chinese are at, and their developments. This online bickering has no value.
There are lots of western licker and maybe CIA personnel in this forum. They want to confuse the public by spreading ambiguous negative statement to hit Pakistani's morale, You don't have to take it seriously.
They think they know something, actually they just pretend knowing something to make themselves look important. The truth is they ain't know sh&t.
Actually the communist father almost crashed the Nazi on their own to save Europe's arse in WW2. The western mother are so fraid of casualty and choosed to drop two nukes on Japan. The more you lick the west, the more you make yourself loo funny.
A man live with prejudice and always live in the past can't make anything right.
You should mind your word choice "iron brother".
So I have licking the west and instead I should lick you? I should believe everything China says? China will always deliver what they promise? Chinese weapons are state of the art?
What are you arguing about? Why do you have to disrespect people to make your point? Or do you ever have a point?
Chinese weapons are built for the Saturation Doctrine...more for less.
Pakistan is used to using western weapons for precision weapons, less for more.
Both types have different usage and maintenance philosophies.
If you are unable to understand simple concepts, and feel you can go around and use insulting words in somehow defending the honour of your country, you are doing the right opposite. You are only demonstrative that the official and unofficial representatives of the PLA online cannot defend the honor of motherland, rather only show how immature you are.
Coming back to the relationship in the 1960s, we built that relationship. If you little knickers, you have no idea that I have met Chairman Mao, the great leader. Have you? Clueless you are.
China today is a vendor to Pakistan. It sells, we buy. That is it. Stop acting like you are giving us any favors or we are your little poodle that you can just get online and abuse. The level of Delivery of Chinese platforms equipment is well known with us. It is a acceptable risk that we take. That does not make it infallible and state of the art.
You can calm the hell down now, or keep behaving like you have only to exemplify your level of maturity.
Kind wishes to all.
Pakistan should buy better warships from Turkey, US, France, UK and so on.
Best wishes!
So, everyone will be happy.
There is a percentage mix in the policy, but many western countries bow to the US policy and hence are not likely suppliers.
100% Chinese comes this forum because our goverment educate us that Pakistan is our iron brother since we are young. It's about deep passion for Pakistan.
Then our iron brother shall have faith in us, and we will be together growing into a new high level in the future.
Pakistan is China's Israel, it never changes.
I know Chinese weapon is not the best in all areas, but definitely it can fight hard in war.
Does that give you the right to abuse Pakistani members here, who may have a different opinion than yours?
In a 32 cell VLS, any mix n match of SAM and cruise missiles would only serve to dilute either capability.
Agreed. These are procured as AD Ships, and thats their role. This is a gap in PN since Brook/Garcias were returned, and hence a welcome addition. The threat to PN platforms from "Brahmos" is now effectively covered with LY-80 SAM at sea.
No one can make this ship obsolete to any western ship. It is a monster in it's class and loaded with electronic and conventional warfare systems. The video I posted above shows of a SAM being fired under ECM Jamming so you can understand the ships capabilities from that. Plus Russia is also one of the customers of this ship.
If you look at my original post, I welcomed this decision by PN. This is necessary for the Fleet and our SLOCs. However, kindly control the little kids online from spewing hatred and abuse.
This isn't the 1990s anymore. Those questions you pose can be asked about any platform, western or chinese. World class systems? What does that even mean? Please define. The Chinese have a "world class" destroyer. Pound for pound the best there is. Best quality etc.
The issue was, and still remains, PN's questionable acquisitions. While the Chinese are moving on from the 054a and offering newer designs for export, PN does what it usually does and goes for the 2nd to latest generation design.
This is a policy of every country, and China maybe no exception. The best of the designs are for PLA only. Indeed China has progressed but the cutting edge will never be for export. For the export market, Pakistan being the centroid, there is the export version. Due to the immense technological gap of 1990's since us lagging behind, all input is valuable.
Nope. IIRC none of our ships have such a radar at the moment, but I imagine the stand-off range target detection and tracking can be done via the KE AEW&C (which should have OTH capability)
With the Type 054A, we'll have a surface-level OTHR. I suppose the only area left would be land-based OTHR (for Zarb). China's SLR-66 OTHR works from both ships and land, so we could just get a bunch of those (for the Type 054A and coastal AShM units).
For indian planners who thought of sinking the pakistani surface fleet at the onset of a high intensity conflict would have to replan their OPS plans.
Additionally, the procurement of this ship signifies something else. This signals that Pakistan has now standardized LY-80 as its LOMAD system across the tri-services. Its quite possible that you will see more acquisitions of LY-80, as Pakistan comes closer to declaring / announcing its candidate for HI-MAD/ABM system, the last piece of the nuclear triad.
With the procurement of LY-80 SAM, and its navalized version at sea, the policy makers have effectively demonstrated sound judgement at Joint Staff and each headquarter level not to overly diversify key strategic systems. They have clearly filled the gap in our air defense, and rendered the heavy indian investment in strategic bombers and PGMs less effective than desired to their policy makers. On the naval side, the fear of many ASMs including Harpoon and Brahmos is now contained. I hope the same sound policy and procurement decisions follow the HI-MAD sector.
