Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[wasileo80]

Not the 17 bu the 19 I.e F6. Modifications included American Sidewinders.

mig-17 also aka FT-5.

 

[wasileo80]

fan boys will disagree with you!

Everyone have right to disagree. But reality should be check mate and alternative decision should be in place without delay.

 

[eagleeye]

Here is part of the Interview from temel kotil president of tai regarding t129 (google Translation)

Presidential Spokesperson İbrahim Kalın said, "The USA has prevented the war helicopter we planned to make to Pakistan." After his statement, Defense Industry President Prof. Dr. Demir stated that an additional six-month period was taken from Pakistan for export. While all these developments are taking place, Prof. Dr. Kotil informed that the tests of the domestic engine (TS1400 derivative) produced by TUSAŞ Motor Industry TEI are continuing in the T-129 Atak helicopter.

Prof. Dr. Kotil said that the engine to be used in the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter Atak-2, which was designed with domestic capabilities and capabilities, will come from Ukraine; He said that the platform will weigh 11 tons, be twin-engined and can carry 1500 kilograms of ammunition.

Turkey Attack-2 is yet to be used in engine size have also noted Kotil, while the T625 Gökbey three helicopters will be delivered next year and March 18 ceremony in Çanakkale in 2023 that made the flight, he said.

ATAK-2 Apache'den Daha İyi Olacak - C4 Defence

Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil, Habertürk kanalında yayınlanan Teke Tek programına konuk oldu.

www.c4defence.com

 

[Trango Towers]

This is how it might play out. India will take deliveries of S400. US wont apply sanctions but will instead have to lift sanctions on Turkey. Engine will then be cleared for export. At least that is my guess.

I just hope pakistan learns not to buy anything with even an American bolt in it.

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistan extends delayed T129 helo deal with Turkey — again

Pakistan extends delayed T129 helo deal with Turkey — again

A diplomatic row between the United States and Turkey is continuing to jeopardize a planned procurement by Pakistan.

www.defensenews.com

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

will come from Ukraine

That's why China was trying to buy Motor Sich to prevent sale of engine to Turkey to compete with Z-10.

 

[araz]

what i want to say is, Pakistan is ready to take a loan with pay back at agreed terms, which means Pak Army is ready for it.
when we debate AH1Z were held to be released if we pay for them, then can we ask for the loan from the US likewise?

Re the AH1Z the agreement was that part of the money will be adjusted against CSF. The Senate negated that and instead we were asked to fork the whole money out. So PAklands walked away. So there is a subtle difference between the 2.
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[HAIDER]

Here is part of the Interview from temel kotil president of tai regarding t129 (google Translation)

Presidential Spokesperson İbrahim Kalın said, "The USA has prevented the war helicopter we planned to make to Pakistan." After his statement, Defense Industry President Prof. Dr. Demir stated that an additional six-month period was taken from Pakistan for export. While all these developments are taking place, Prof. Dr. Kotil informed that the tests of the domestic engine (TS1400 derivative) produced by TUSAŞ Motor Industry TEI are continuing in the T-129 Atak helicopter.

Prof. Dr. Kotil said that the engine to be used in the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter Atak-2, which was designed with domestic capabilities and capabilities, will come from Ukraine; He said that the platform will weigh 11 tons, be twin-engined and can carry 1500 kilograms of ammunition.

Turkey Attack-2 is yet to be used in engine size have also noted Kotil, while the T625 Gökbey three helicopters will be delivered next year and March 18 ceremony in Çanakkale in 2023 that made the flight, he said.

ATAK-2 Apache'den Daha İyi Olacak - C4 Defence

Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil, Habertürk kanalında yayınlanan Teke Tek programına konuk oldu.

www.c4defence.com

Turkey recently procure drone engines , now helicopter engines from Ukraine. Good deal.

 

[Gripen9]

Not the 17 bu the 19 I.e F6. Modifications included American Sidewinders.

as well as Martin Baker Ejection seats and Gondola conformal fuel tanks.

 

[Deltadart]

Marines Reportedly 'Decommissioning' AH-1Zs As They Shutter Helicopter Operations In Hawaii (Updated)

The Marines say ending helicopter operations in Hawaii will help make the service more flexible in the Pacific, especially in any conflict with China.

www.thedrive.com

 

[FuturePAF]

Considering the delays are political and not technical, and the largest bilateral issue is the situation in Afghanistan, we might see softening or hardening on the issue depending on what happens in Afghanistan over the next few months.

 

[Yasser76]

Considering the delays are political and not technical, and the largest bilateral issue is the situation in Afghanistan, we might see softening or hardening on the issue depending on what happens in Afghanistan over the next few months.

Unsure if Pak wants to play that card over a few engines, it's a pretty big card to play and we wont have anything much left after we use it.

Best thing now is to forget about the T-129 and move on

 

[FuturePAF]

Unsure if Pak wants to play that card over a few engines, it's a pretty big card to play and we wont have anything much left after we use it.

Best thing now is to forget about the T-129 and move on

Moving on from a T-129 with an American engine, sure, no one plans to wait. But the PAA knows will have to live what is procured for decades to come, so it can’t compromise on quality. Hence the extension given to the Turks to find an alternative option.

But in the off chance relations change, we all know they won’t turn down free stuff or the release of these engines. The PAA doesn’t want to lose time in its modernization.

Also the comment was an observation, that if the general relationship improves or deteriorates will have the most bearing on this kind of procurement. Nothing much can be expected, as it is linked to the general relationship. Pakistan won’t do anything special, IMHO, to get the engines and is therefore planning for the Turks to find an alternative engine just in case.

 

[airmarshal]

Just to clarify, buying any advanced Russian military system is against US arms sanctions, so they'd be breaking their own rules to sign a waiver for India, or ignore sanctioning India.

But yeah, you make a good point.

The American sanctions are about its allies buying Russian equipment. Turkey being a NATO member has all authority under NATO agreement to buy its weapons from whichever source. Greece and Bulgaria have S-300. They are NATO partners. USA has been trying to be difficult with Turkey for various geopolitical reasons. Americans can look the other way, easily. Also, S400 is quite capable system and it cuts into potential Patriot sales and thats one of the reasons for these sanctions.

 

[airmarshal]

Re the AH1Z the agreement was that part of the money will be adjusted against CSF. The Senate negated that and instead we were asked to fork the whole money out. So PAklands walked away. So there is a subtle difference between the 2.
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By the way, Americans still owe us CSF but as you know how they behave, we will get neither the money nor the helicopters.