Pakistan Air Force Operation Swift Retort l Indian Military targets in gun-sight of PAF

[Bossman]

Indian OSINT claiming that PAF didn't show the detonation of H4 missile which mans it didn't explode..

Technically impossible as the camera is in the bomb. It is destroyed at the time of explosion and transmission to the mother ship stops. Idiots will be idiots.

 

[MM_Haider]

Technically impossible as the camera is in the bomb. It is destroyed at the time of explosion and transmission to the mother ship stops. Idiots will be idiots.

then radar imagery should have been shown.. also I don't want to die without seeing radar imagery of SU-30 kill.. please someone help me..

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Indian OSINT claiming that PAF didn't show the detonation of H4 missile which mans it didn't explode..

100 lies to cover a single lie.

 

[SIPRA]

then radar imagery should have been shown.. also I don't want to die without seeing radar imagery of SU-30 kill.. please someone help me..

I don't think that there would be any radar or other imagery, for the bomb, except for the video, which has been shown.

As for SU 30 kill, there are larger things at stake and there must be some cogent reasons, for PAF, to not publicize the relevant radar data. That is what I think.

 

[MM_Haider]

I don't think that there would be any radar or other imagery, for the bomb, except for the video, which has been shown.

there must be .. how did pilot and control room staff confirm that impact was successful?

As for SU 30 kill, there are larger things at stake and there must be some cogent reasons, for PAF, to not publicize the relevant radar data. That is what I think.

I don't get it ... they intrude in our country.. we let em go unharmed and next day when we respond we hit whre it mattered but we can't tell that to world with proof... we let 7 locked jets go away .. and we release Abhi-none-done before Modi's election who used this Balakot fiasco for his election success and our silence helped him.. we should be offensive (we have every right to be so) still our spineless political leadership is hiding this as a state secret...

 

[ZAC1]

there must be .. how did pilot and control room staff confirm that impact was successful?

intent was to avenge not to the level of escalation of war, we Avenged and conveyed msg of air dominance to world

I don't get it ... they intrude in our country.. we let em go unharmed and next day when we respond we hit whre it mattered but we can't tell that to world with proof... we let 7 locked jets go away .. and we release Abhi-none-done before Modi's election who used this Balakot fiasco for his election success and our silence helped him.. we should be offensive (we have every right to be so) still our spineless political leadership is hiding this as a state secret...

 

[SIPRA]

there must be .. how did pilot and control room staff confirm that impact was successful?

I don't get it ... they intrude in our country.. we let em go unharmed and next day when we respond we hit whre it mattered but we can't tell that to world with proof... we let 7 locked jets go away .. and we release Abhi-none-done before Modi's election who used this Balakot fiasco for his election success and our silence helped him.. we should be offensive (we have every right to be so) still our spineless political leadership is hiding this as a state secret...

The answer to your first question, I am not in a position to give; since I know very little about these weapons. May be some other poster can throw some light in it.

The answer to your second question lies in our past 72 years. We have failed to develop at the desirable pace and hence are weak, economically, technologically and in many related aspects. Weak nations are not as free to make their decisions, as the strong ones.

 

[SQ8]

We won't be able to absorb that much damage.

It will be shock and awe for us.

 

[Sine Nomine]

It will be shock and awe for us.

I hope this never happens.

 

[Major Sam]

The reason IAF weapons failed to hit their targets had nothing to do with the weapons. The IAF strike package was intercepted and forced to sprint away from the scene and in the process dropped their weapons so they can gain speed. This idea of blaming their weapons for the miss is a revisionist twist by the Indians who have initially started with 300 dead militants claim. Pakistanis seem to have fallen for this obvious lie

It will be shock and awe for us.

Don't you think it will be two way street.

 

[PakSword]

Indian OSINT claiming that PAF didn't show the detonation of H4 missile which mans it didn't explode..

I have downloaded an image from Google Earth dated 28-Oct-2018 of the area pointed out by PAF.

When the image is updated, we will see any changes in the above image. If the bomb didn't detonate, it will remain like this, otherwise we will see big changes in the above image.

 

[airmarshal]

To have maximum impact, all of this video evidence should have been shown on Feb 28th. Showing this now looks lame. In modern warfare, psychological games are extremely important. We are a bit shy showing our achievement when it matters.

 

[PakSword]

To have maximum impact, all of this video evidence should have been shown on Feb 28th. Showing this now looks lame. In modern warfare, psychological games are extremely important. We are a bit shy showing our achievement when it matters.

I think it was important to allow them to tell all the stories they could think..

 

[313ghazi]

You have written a long and verbose diatribe with no substance, one that almost reminds me of another poster who always responds to facts with rhetoric and whom I assidupusly ignore. I am not in the habit of trading rhetoric with rhetoric. I simply do not have the time, and the time I spend here is time away from my really busy schedule so I would rather learn and teach rather than exchanging verbosity.
So let me give to you my scenario of why it was sensible to let those planes go than engage and destroy them.
A. In war you create a narrative in accordance with the international norms of rules of engagement.
B. If you engage the enemy in air you need to do so within your borders for it not to be an aggressive maneouvre. You may remember also at sea that we caused one of their latest subs to surface and escorted it out of our waters.
C. There is another Mig 21 that was destroyed and its carcass landed in Badgam at roughly 9:27am which was the time all the action was taking place. The cause according to IAF was technical malfunction(and I say my foot!) You will notice that PAF did not claim that kill in spite of the fact that it is easy to do so and it is too much lf a coincidence for it to have crashed at the same time when all the action was taking place. The matter is widely reported in Indian Media. PAF also specifically stayed away from claiming the fratricide of their helicopter right from the word go instead of claiming it as a kill. Those 2 are recorded in Indian media so can be checked by anyone.
D. PAF only claimed 2 kills as they were recorded as being in Pakistani air space.
E. The ground action was an aggressive move but was in response to a similar move by IAF. PAF took the precaution to guide the ammo to the site it wanted to hit and then INTENTIONALLY let it wear away so it landed in the grounds rather than hit the actual target. It had been established earlier that the IAF strike fell in no man's land and did not cause any loss of human life( we consider the loss of our 4 trees and a crow to be serious matter none the less). Actual attack that day could have caused the Indian army 10000 lives.
If you look at all the facts presented above you see a trend emerging.
A. Response was daring and befitting but not excessive.
B. Both planes were engaged in our air space conducting aggressive maneouvres and therefore we were justified.
You may notice that the IAF did not raise a hue and cry about their losses in spite of it stinging them badly. So we slapped them hard. But next we raised the olive branch by deciding in our Parlianment that we will return their air man to them. I think it was coup de grace. You won more hearts and minds with that one move than all your wailing about the thousand issues that you face.
At the same time you have not allowed your adversary the one excuse that he would have needed to have ostracized you in international media where most wars of the 21st century have been fought. May I humbly also point out that there has NEVER been a war between the Nuclear armed nations. It is my thinking that in such a war the Nukes will be resorted to as first line of attack rather than wait for the enemy to respond. A NUCLEAR WAR is a Zero sum game as it will lead to MAD Awhich defeats the very purpose of waging war. With more than a 100 Nuke weapons on each side the south East Asia will soon be charred beyond recognition and 1/5th of the population of our planet 2ill die a miserable death. This needs to be avoided by not provoking each other.
Now if you have not understood why it was so important not to have exceeded your response to THEIR aggression and throw it at their faces (look at the FATF fiasco hanging on our heads as just one example if you cannot see the economic disaster we are already facing without indulging in a war) then you will never understand. Those 7 planes(and I will still maintain 6) were very importantly left behind for furtherance of our narrative as a peace loving nation which will not hesitate to respond to any aggression but will still hold on to reason.
Lastly please read what Islam tells you to do in case of taking revenge and you will understand the beauty as well as the logic of this response and why it was important to do so.
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The only problem with this is that India decided to annex Kashmir and is not threatening to attack AJK, knowing full well the leadership in Pakistan will only fight a war if they have too. India could probably take territory, try to hold its ground and offer peace - our political leadership would take any deal they got.

 

[baqai]

Thank you brother for your effort for all of us ..

no problem but it turns out that there are many better HD streams available now mine was/is SD